Is it time to bring back hanging in cases such as this?

JuliusCaesar · 18-02-2014 07:26PM

whitewave wrote: »

I agree, I've never agreed with the death penalty, even in cases of justice for a wrong-doing. Unfortunately chances are they won't be punished to the full extent of the law though.

Don't child abusers get a really hard time in jail from the other prisoners? That will really make their lives miserable, even beyond being imprisoned.

dj jarvis · 18-02-2014 07:26PM

Animals the lot of them , they deserve life if found guilty , but i would wager the max sentence is nothing close to life , and as always the judge will take "mitigating" circumstances into the amount of time handed down , along with the 25% good behavior bond ( assuming they are not murdered by other inmates )

so i would imagine , if the reporting is true , they will get no more than 12 years , do 7 , walk after that .

im not one for vigilante violence , but i would be happy to see a large pitch fork holding crowd waiting for them on release day

anncoates · 18-02-2014 07:27PM

A law isn't a once off thing. It's a law with application to many other cases so no.

Not that I'd care much if child murderers were hung, that said.

dj jarvis · 18-02-2014 07:27PM

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Don't child abusers get a really hard time in jail from the other prisoners? That will really make their lives miserable, even beyond being imprisoned.

they tend to be housed in arbour hill prision , with the rest of the sexual perverts and filth , becasue they would not last 5 minutes in mountjoy or wheatfield

Holsten · 18-02-2014 07:28PM

ScumLord wrote: »

If they can't be rehabilitated the threat doesn't go away, it's just delayed.

Who says they can't? When all the evidences points to that they can and are?

Holsten · 18-02-2014 07:28PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

im not one for vigilante violence , but i would be happy to see a large pitch fork holding crowd waiting for them on release day

Ok.. so you are for vigilantism.

ScumLord · 18-02-2014 07:29PM

Holsten wrote: »

Who says they can't? When all the evidences points to that they can and are?

What evidence? Maybe I'm wrong, if you have evidence that serial rapists can be cured by a prison sentence I'd like to see it.

end of the road · 18-02-2014 07:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Trouble with not having the death penalty is that everything else gets a lower sentence too. If someone commits 10 murders should someone who committed 3 get the same sentence? Should someone who committed one in a rage get the same as someone who did 3? Attempted murder and manslaughter are another step down, rape down again. By the time you get to facilitating rape the sentences are gonna be fairly low.

having the death penalty isn't going to make other sentences longer, only the department/minister for justice can make sentences longer and the judges enforce it and hand down those sentences

Frank Lee Midere · 18-02-2014 07:30PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

they tend to be housed in arbour hill prision , with the rest of the sexual perverts and filth , becasue they would not last 5 minutes in mountjoy or wheatfield

These guys might be deported.

Holsten · 18-02-2014 07:31PM

ScumLord wrote: »

What evidence? Maybe I'm wrong, if you have evidence that serial rapists can be cured by a prison sentence I'd like to see it.

Read up on recidivism rates for criminals.

I'm not on about serial rapists who are the extreme minority, I'm on about one time offenders.

dj jarvis · 18-02-2014 07:33PM

Holsten wrote: »

Ok.. so you are for vigilantism.

i think its implied in my statement , that normally i would not be , but this being SUCH a heinous crime against a child , i would have no issue with it in this case.

did i really have to spell that out ? i thought it was clear what i was getting at

dj jarvis · 18-02-2014 07:34PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

These guys might be deported.

after they do their time in this country , i hope 2 f2uck they are dragged kicking and screaming to the end of the bull wall in Dublin and made f2ucking to swim to what ever **** hole they oozed from.

norrie rugger · 18-02-2014 07:35PM

Get it wrong just once and tell me that it is ok to have a death penalty.

How many times have there been convictions overturned, person would be dead.

It does not work in the USA, where only the lower economic (generally black) sections of society populate the death row blocks.

Thespoofer · 18-02-2014 07:39PM

North Korean/Russian type Gulag style prison for the rest of their lives.

end of the road · 18-02-2014 07:39PM

hallo dare wrote: »

If the death penalty was never removed, i wonder how many fcuked up crimes would have taken place ?

the same amount that has without it, probably more

hallo dare wrote: »

I'd welcome it's return as it may put the fear of God into some of these a$$holes and prevent alot of these murders, rapes, etc.

no it won't

hallo dare wrote: »

The law at the minute doesn't achieve any punishment towards the guilty whatsoever.

neither does the death penalty

hallo dare wrote: »

They just end up in jail with better shelter, gyms, arts and crafts, etc.

and?

hallo dare wrote: »

If there was a proper punishment in place for crimes committed then there would be no need for a death penalty, but unfortunately there's bot, so as far as I can see there's only one way to put manners on these scum

that doesn't make any sense what so ever, why would their be a need for a death penalty now when we can just make the sentences longer at no cost yet because its not being done at the moment theirs suddenly a need for the death penalty? as i said it makes no sense, and as for "there's only one way to put manners on these scum" no their isn't, you can't "put manners on these scum" the death penalty is a failed method, its backward, hypocritical, outdated, and isn't has never been and will never be a deterrent, leave it to the countries who use it but preach from religious books and preach the 10 commandments while breaking every one of them such as the states in america that have it along with the other backward dumps

dj jarvis · 18-02-2014 07:39PM

norrie rugger wrote: »

Get it wrong just once and tell me that it is ok to have a death penalty.

How many times have there been convictions overturned, person would be dead.

It does not work in the USA, where only the lower economic (generally black) sections of society populate the death row blocks.

i have read that upwards of 15% of all executions in the US have been either proven to be innocent or at least should have been commuted due to poor representation in the trails ( of normally poor people )

teddansonswig · 18-02-2014 07:39PM

deport deport deport , death penalty is so last millennia

end of the road · 18-02-2014 07:42PM

Lollipop95 wrote: »

Heard about this on the radio a while ago and it absolutely sickened me... That poor little girl is only 10 and her childhood has been snatched away from her, her life practically ruined... How traumatised she must be doesn't bear thinking about I would describe these monsters as "animals"
but quite frankly that would be an insult to animals. I am completely in favour of the death penalty in cases like this,murder and rape. Deserve nothing less than a slow and painful death. I'm sorry if people disagree with my view but it is just my opinion and my stance will never change - personally I think it's a travesty why the death penalty has not been introduced in Ireland as this case warrants it. Vile.

ireland did have it, the people spoke and it was abolished, it won't be coming back unless we want to leave the EU and have a recession worse then the 1980s and the last few years put together

Stojkovic · 18-02-2014 07:43PM

allthedoyles wrote: »

They are Eastern Europeans --even a translator won't make them talk .

They probably speak better English than you do.

Says I To Bridey · 18-02-2014 07:46PM

Solitary confinement for the rest of their lives

periodictable · 18-02-2014 07:49PM

Perhaps if the rehabilitation element of sentencing was removed and the punishment element applied more severely, with minimum mandatory sentencing in cases such as this, then that would suffice.

UCDVet · 18-02-2014 07:50PM

I don't know if hanging is the best way to go - but I absolutely support the death penalty. Not because it's morally right, or because I want justice....I support it because, done properly, we'd all be better of for having it.

I'm not even pretending it will be an effective deterrent. Criminals don't plan on getting caught. And the real sick ones don't care.

But there are plenty of people who commit horrific crimes and they repeat. They go into jail, they get out, they go back in, rinse, repeat. Their victims (or their families) suffer for the rest of their lives, but the criminal spends some time in jail and life goes on. In many cases, prison isn't all that bad compared to the lifestyle some maintain outside. Regardless, prison isn't an effective deterrent either.

It's expensive and it does a bad job of rehabilitating. It certainly isn't effective in rehabilitating those who are most in need of it. You aren't going to fix a serial rapist.

So it's either life in prison....which is expensive. Or death. We don't currently have the insight or technology to effectively treat people. In the future...maybe we will. But it's not there yet.

I'd much rather see a death penalty for repeat offenders of violent crimes. It's more cost effective than life in prison and we rarely hand out true life in prison sentences. We let them out, they repeat, we take them back in - and the victims and tax payers are the ones who suffer.

If you rape one girl, maybe you don't deserve to die. But if you are convicted, released, and rape another girl? Maybe you still don't deserve to die - but the world will be better off if you do. In a perfect world, when we have fed all the hungry people, and everyone has health care, and the homeless, crazy, addicted, non-violent types are all taken care of....we can circle back and address the needs of repeat rapists.

But until we reach that point, life would be better for everyone in Ireland we killed them.

I say repeat offenders to deal with the pesky 'What if they are innocent' stuff. And I'd even support stricter requirements on evidence or witnesses or whatever. But there are plenty of examples of criminals who have been arrest 10+ times committing violent crimes that get progressively worse....and all I can think is, 'If we'd killed them after time #3 - that's seven victims and their families who would have been spared.' That's a huge gain for society. We have less costs because we don't have the costs associated with keeping the guy in prison, prosecuting him, arresting him, etc, etc....AND we have less victims. It would free up the Garda who spend a disproportional amount of time focusing on a small, tiny percentage of problem offenders and it would make for a safer society.

Holsten · 18-02-2014 07:52PM

Says I To Bridey wrote: »

Solitary confinement for the rest of their lives

This probably just one half a step below death, have you read up on long term solitary confinement?

No one deserves this at all.

I have to wonder why these threads always evoke PUNISHMENT, PUNISHMENT, PUNISHMENT, etc.. that's all it ever is.

Punishment doesn't work, it's just revenge which is not a road modern society should be going down.

flutered · 18-02-2014 07:53PM

it is imperitive that they serve every minute of their sentence in their own countrys goals, not the hotel grade facilitys here in ireland.

end of the road · 18-02-2014 07:53PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

Animals the lot of them , they deserve life if found guilty , but i would wager the max sentence is nothing close to life , and as always the judge will take "mitigating" circumstances into the amount of time handed down , along with the 25% good behavior bond ( assuming they are not murdered by other inmates )

so i would imagine , if the reporting is true , they will get no more than 12 years , do 7 , walk after that .

im not one for vigilante violence , but i would be happy to see a large pitch fork holding crowd waiting for them on release day

i thought judges have to take those things into acount by law? i'd imagine their hands are tied in some way at least, certainly in cases like this it should be life and thats it

flutered · 18-02-2014 07:55PM

Holsten wrote: »

This probably just one half a step below death, have you read up on long term solitary confinement?

No one deserves this at all.

I have to wonder why these threads always evoke PUNISHMENT, PUNISHMENT, PUNISHMENT, etc.. that's all it ever is.

Punishment doesn't work, it's just revenge which is not a road modern society should be going down.

so punishment does not work, perhapsthen it is time to stop the mollycoddling version of it that frequents our justice system

Holsten · 18-02-2014 07:57PM

flutered wrote: »

so punishment does not work, perhapsthen it is time to stop the mollycoddling version of it that frequents our justice system

Do 10 years in Mount Joy and tell me that you were "mollycodded".:rolleyes:

floggg · 18-02-2014 07:59PM

hallo dare wrote: »

If the death penalty was never removed, i wonder how many fcuked up crimes would have taken place ?

I'd welcome it's return as it may put the fear of God into some of these a$$holes and prevent alot of these murders, rapes, etc.

The law at the minute doesn't achieve any punishment towards the guilty whatsoever. They just end up in jail with better shelter, gyms, arts and crafts, etc.

If there was a proper punishment in place for crimes committed then there would be no need for a death penalty, but unfortunately there's bot, so as far as I can see there's only one way to put manners on these scum

You know horrible **** happens in countries with the death penalty, yea?

You don't know much about crime and punishment if you think death penalties and harsher sentencing are effective deterrents.

Id recommend you look up the US homicide and drug offence rates and think about it a bit more.

bootybouncer · 18-02-2014 08:02PM

eastern europeans, the fookers should be turfed straight out of the country, dirty bunheads

Mod: Banned

dj jarvis · 18-02-2014 08:03PM

end of the road wrote: »

i thought judges have to take those things into acount by law? i'd imagine their hands are tied in some way at least, certainly in cases like this it should be life and thats it

they do have to take account , but they should not have to in cases like this , i cant see one circumstance that would be taken in as mitigating in sentencing in this case - i dont care one jot how bad the accused life's were , its not an excuse do what they have allegedly done to a child , but yet , they will STILL be afforded time off

its a joke , the law is an ass ect ect ect

Is it time to bring back hanging in cases such as this?

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