Is it time to bring back hanging in cases such as this?

vicwatson · 18-02-2014 06:16PM #1

If proven guilty, should the perpitrators be hung till death, I think they should.

No more Mr Nice Guy

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/young-dublin-girl-raped-by-a-number-of-men-over-five-year-period-30020856.html

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Tom Brady, Security Editor – 18 February 2014
SEVEN suspects, including two women, have been arrested by gardai today in connection with an investigation into allegations that a young girl was raped by a number of men over a five-year period.

The offences are alleged to have taken place when the girl was aged between four and nine years at her home in south county Dublin.

The girl is now ten years old.

The authorities became aware of the alleged sexual activity involving the girl after she had been taken into care last year on the basis that she had been neglected by her mother.

Information given by the girl led to the gardai being alerted and a major investigation was launched.

This resulted in the arrest of five men and two women today.

The suspects include the girl’s mother and her brother.

Six of the suspects are eastern Europeans and the seventh is a British national.

All were being held for questioning this afternoon at garda stations around the south city.

They are being detained under section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act and can be held without charge for up to 24 hours, excluding rest periods."

Mrs Garth Brooks · 18-02-2014 06:17PM

Sick sick people

Ash.J.Williams · 18-02-2014 06:17PM

horrendous

My name is URL · 18-02-2014 06:23PM

You're either in favor of the death penalty or you're not. I'm not, and I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say 'oh, well maybe in cases like this it's ok'

Punish them to the full extent of the law if they're found guilty, but reintroducing the death penalty isn't even a viable option.

vicwatson · 18-02-2014 06:24PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You're either in favor of the death penalty or you're not. I'm not, and I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say 'oh, well maybe in cases like this it's ok'

Punish them to the full extent of the law if they're found guilty, but reintroducing the death penalty isn't even a viable option.

Another suspended sentence I suppose

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-02-2014 06:28PM

900,000 euro a year to keep these seven animals in jail when they are convicted

TwoShedsJackson · 18-02-2014 06:29PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Another suspended sentence I suppose

Yes that was certainly what he meant, with no possibility for something in between killing them, and letting them off.

pale blue dot cotton · 18-02-2014 06:31PM

Death is the easy way out. Castration and a never ending jail sentence.

yayabalexreya · 18-02-2014 06:31PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You're either in favor of the death penalty or you're not. I'm not, and I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say 'oh, well maybe in cases like this it's ok'

Punish them to the full extent of the law if they're found guilty, but reintroducing the death penalty isn't even a viable option.

I agree with this ^^ but I would suggest bringing in the lash. I would pay to see these individuals lashed publicly to within an inch of their lives. The death penalty is too easy.

18-02-2014 06:32PM

Keep them locked up for their lives knowing what they did an having to live with it

GenieOz · 18-02-2014 06:33PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Keep them locked up for their lives knowing what they did an having to live with it

I think that if they were willing to do it in the first place over such a period then they won't have much of a problem living with it.

whitewave · 18-02-2014 06:38PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You're either in favor of the death penalty or you're not. I'm not, and I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say 'oh, well maybe in cases like this it's ok'

Punish them to the full extent of the law if they're found guilty, but reintroducing the death penalty isn't even a viable option.

I agree, I've never agreed with the death penalty, even in cases of justice for a wrong-doing. Unfortunately chances are they won't be punished to the full extent of the law though.

LoganRice · 18-02-2014 06:39PM

That is atrocious and I do not know

Muise... · 18-02-2014 06:40PM

no

I always get the feeling that those who want the death sentence brought back would love to be both sentencing judge and oul wans knitting by the guillotine, to calibrate their black caps and outrageometers, and orgasm with every deadly drop.

eviltwin · 18-02-2014 06:40PM

No. What's the incentive to keep a victim alive if you know you face the death penalty if he/she goes to the guards?

My name is URL · 18-02-2014 06:41PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Another suspended sentence I suppose

Well if that's what comes of it it's's a problem with the judge and/or prison system.. not necessarily the law itself. Depending on the seriousness of the abuse, judges can hand out sentences of up to life imprisonment.

I honestly think that the death penalty achieves nothing more than to make a few eejits feel better about living in a world where horrible things happen. It's not a deterrent, and contrary to popular belief it's not cheaper than keeping someone in prison for 20+ years.

We seriously need to build a couple of new prisons.. that's the only way to ensure that serious offenders are less likely to be handed suspended sentences.

ScumLord · 18-02-2014 06:43PM

I'm not against the death penalty in extreme cases. These people can't be rehabilitated or forgiven for their crimes. They're just going to serve some time and may well end up back doing the same kind of thing again on their release, where we may have to go through all this again.

Wouldn't go for hanging though, inert gas would do the job much more efficiently.

18-02-2014 06:43PM

Trouble with not having the death penalty is that everything else gets a lower sentence too. If someone commits 10 murders should someone who committed 3 get the same sentence? Should someone who committed one in a rage get the same as someone who did 3? Attempted murder and manslaughter are another step down, rape down again. By the time you get to facilitating rape the sentences are gonna be fairly low.

FatRat · 18-02-2014 06:44PM

They haven't been charged? This is all alleged? What if they're innocent? A bit extreme asking if they should be hung when they haven't even been charged.

GenieOz · 18-02-2014 06:45PM

FatRat wrote: »

They haven't been charged? This is all alleged? What if they're innocent? A bit extreme asking if they should be hung when they haven't even been charged.

It says if proven guilty in the OP..

FatRat · 18-02-2014 06:48PM

GenieOz wrote: »

It says if proven guilty in the OP..

Ah I see... well no. No death penalty. How could we say we are any better than those who committed the crimes if we maimed them for their actions? We'd become savages along with them imo.

hallo dare · 18-02-2014 06:49PM

If the death penalty was never removed, i wonder how many fcuked up crimes would have taken place ?

I'd welcome it's return as it may put the fear of God into some of these a$$holes and prevent alot of these murders, rapes, etc.

The law at the minute doesn't achieve any punishment towards the guilty whatsoever. They just end up in jail with better shelter, gyms, arts and crafts, etc.

If there was a proper punishment in place for crimes committed then there would be no need for a death penalty, but unfortunately there's bot, so as far as I can see there's only one way to put manners on these scum

Holsten · 18-02-2014 06:53PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm not against the death penalty in extreme cases. These people can't be rehabilitated or forgiven for their crimes. They're just going to serve some time and may well end up back doing the same kind of thing again on their release, where we may have to go through all this again.

Really? Do you have ANY evidence of this at all? Do some research on recidivism rates and you'll see you're very wrong.

No, it's not time to bring back hanging, it never will be. It's gone for good thankfully.

allthedoyles · 18-02-2014 06:54PM

They are Eastern Europeans --even a translator won't make them talk .

Watch them been released without charge after 24 hours

Lollipop95 · 18-02-2014 07:15PM

Heard about this on the radio a while ago and it absolutely sickened me... That poor little girl is only 10 and her childhood has been snatched away from her, her life practically ruined... How traumatised she must be doesn't bear thinking about

I would describe these monsters as "animals"
but quite frankly that would be an insult to animals. I am completely in favour of the death penalty in cases like this,murder and rape. Deserve nothing less than a slow and painful death. I'm sorry if people disagree with my view but it is just my opinion and my stance will never change - personally I think it's a travesty why the death penalty has not been introduced in Ireland as this case warrants it. Vile.

Holsten · 18-02-2014 07:18PM

Lollipop95 wrote: »

Heard about this on the radio a while ago and it absolutely sickened me... That poor little girl is only 10 and her childhood has been snatched away from her, her life practically ruined... How traumatised she must be doesn't bear thinking about I would describe these monsters as "animals"
but quite frankly that would be an insult to animals. I am completely in favour of the death penalty in cases like this,murder and rape. Deserve nothing less than a slow and painful death. I'm sorry if people disagree with my view but it is just my opinion and my stance will never change - personally I think it's a travesty why the death penalty has not been introduced in Ireland as this case warrants it. Vile.

Ok you get your wish and if you rape someone in Ireland you will be put to death.

Now tell me what you think goes through a rapists head after he/she is done... I let this girl go and I'm dead, I'll kill her and dump her body so there is less chance of me being put to death.

Do you see how this works? It's the same for child abuse, why let the child live when the chances you'll be caught and put to death would be high?

ScumLord · 18-02-2014 07:19PM

Holsten wrote: »

Really? Do you have ANY evidence of this at all? Do some research on recidivism rates and you'll see you're very wrong.

Really, so serial rapists are being cured in prison? Or do your statistics cover all crime including drug possession and license dodging? I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people guilty of minor crimes never end up in prison again but people who rape 6 year olds over the course of years can never be trusted again.

Pending the outcome of the court case obviously, but if found guilty I wouldn't be against getting rid of them rather than wasting money detaining them for a few years and releasing again.

Holsten · 18-02-2014 07:22PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Really, so serial rapists are being cured in prison? Or do your statistics cover all crime including drug possession and license dodging? I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people guilty of minor crimes never end up in prison again but people who rape 6 year olds over the course of years can never be trusted again.

Pending the outcome of the court case obviously, but if found guilty I wouldn't be against getting rid of them rather than wasting money detaining them for a few years and releasing again.

People convicted of sex offenses, so rapists are included in that. They have the lowest rate of re-offense of any criminal.

Now I'm talking first offense, if you have a serial rapist who is an active threat to people they should be locked up, yes, but not killed.

ScumLord · 18-02-2014 07:22PM

Holsten wrote: »

Now tell me what you think goes through a rapists head after he/she is done... I let this girl go and I'm dead, I'll kill her and dump her body so there is less chance of me being put to death.

There doesn't need to be a death penalty for every rape, but for extreme cases like this then yes. This goes beyond just rape, it's torture and imprisonment over a prolonged amount of time.

Do you see how this works? It's the same for child abuse, why let the child live when the chances you'll be caught and put to death would be high?

They can still get caught for murder, in fact I'd say they'd be more likely to get caught if they murdered the girl. Rape depends on the victim coming forward to press charges. With murder the state presses the charges.

Lollipop95 · 18-02-2014 07:23PM

eviltwin wrote: »

No. What's the incentive to keep a victim alive if you know you face the death penalty if he/she goes to the guards?

Guess that's another way of looking at at , never though of that.:/ I just think they should be tortured, but maybe not killed. Having read all the comments now.,, (i voted yes) but they should suffer ... Absolutely.. For the psychological and physical tramau inflicted on their victims. I guess death would be the easy way out but either way they'd be going straight to hell

ScumLord · 18-02-2014 07:25PM

Holsten wrote: »

Now I'm talking first offense, if you have a serial rapist who is an active threat to people they should be locked up, yes, but not killed.

Locked up for how long and to what end? I don't think there's a prison sentence in Ireland that could adequately protect the people of Ireland because they will more then likely get out some day. What good is it to Irish society keeping them locked up for a while?

If they can't be rehabilitated the threat doesn't go away, it's just delayed.

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