Is it time to bring back hanging in cases such as this?

vicwatson

If proven guilty, should the perpitrators be hung till death, I think they should.

No more Mr Nice Guy

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/young-dublin-girl-raped-by-a-number-of-men-over-five-year-period-30020856.html

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Tom Brady, Security Editor – 18 February 2014
SEVEN suspects, including two women, have been arrested by gardai today in connection with an investigation into allegations that a young girl was raped by a number of men over a five-year period.




The offences are alleged to have taken place when the girl was aged between four and nine years at her home in south county Dublin.


The girl is now ten years old.


The authorities became aware of the alleged sexual activity involving the girl after she had been taken into care last year on the basis that she had been neglected by her mother.


Information given by the girl led to the gardai being alerted and a major investigation was launched.


This resulted in the arrest of five men and two women today.


The suspects include the girl’s mother and her brother.


Six of the suspects are eastern Europeans and the seventh is a British national.


All were being held for questioning this afternoon at garda stations around the south city.


They are being detained under section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act and can be held without charge for up to 24 hours, excluding rest periods."

Mrs Garth Brooks

Sick sick people

Ash.J.Williams

horrendous

My name is URL

You're either in favor of the death penalty or you're not. I'm not, and I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say 'oh, well maybe in cases like this it's ok'

Punish them to the full extent of the law if they're found guilty, but reintroducing the death penalty isn't even a viable option.

vicwatson

My name is URL wrote: »

You're either in favor of the death penalty or you're not. I'm not, and I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say 'oh, well maybe in cases like this it's ok'

Punish them to the full extent of the law if they're found guilty, but reintroducing the death penalty isn't even a viable option.

Another suspended sentence I suppose

SEPT 23 1989

900,000 euro a year to keep these seven animals in jail when they are convicted

TwoShedsJackson

vicwatson wrote: »

Another suspended sentence I suppose

Yes that was certainly what he meant, with no possibility for something in between killing them, and letting them off.

pale blue dot cotton

Death is the easy way out. Castration and a never ending jail sentence.

yayabalexreya

My name is URL wrote: »

You're either in favor of the death penalty or you're not. I'm not, and I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say 'oh, well maybe in cases like this it's ok'

Punish them to the full extent of the law if they're found guilty, but reintroducing the death penalty isn't even a viable option.

I agree with this ^^ but I would suggest bringing in the lash. I would pay to see these individuals lashed publicly to within an inch of their lives. The death penalty is too easy.

Keep them locked up for their lives knowing what they did an having to live with it

GenieOz

bluewolf wrote: »

Keep them locked up for their lives knowing what they did an having to live with it

I think that if they were willing to do it in the first place over such a period then they won't have much of a problem living with it.

whitewave

My name is URL wrote: »

You're either in favor of the death penalty or you're not. I'm not, and I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say 'oh, well maybe in cases like this it's ok'

Punish them to the full extent of the law if they're found guilty, but reintroducing the death penalty isn't even a viable option.

I agree, I've never agreed with the death penalty, even in cases of justice for a wrong-doing. Unfortunately chances are they won't be punished to the full extent of the law though.

LoganRice

That is atrocious and I do not know

Muise...

no

I always get the feeling that those who want the death sentence brought back would love to be both sentencing judge and oul wans knitting by the guillotine, to calibrate their black caps and outrageometers, and orgasm with every deadly drop.

eviltwin

No. What's the incentive to keep a victim alive if you know you face the death penalty if he/she goes to the guards?

My name is URL

vicwatson wrote: »

Another suspended sentence I suppose

Well if that's what comes of it it's's a problem with the judge and/or prison system.. not necessarily the law itself. Depending on the seriousness of the abuse, judges can hand out sentences of up to life imprisonment.

I honestly think that the death penalty achieves nothing more than to make a few eejits feel better about living in a world where horrible things happen. It's not a deterrent, and contrary to popular belief it's not cheaper than keeping someone in prison for 20+ years.

We seriously need to build a couple of new prisons.. that's the only way to ensure that serious offenders are less likely to be handed suspended sentences.

ScumLord

I'm not against the death penalty in extreme cases. These people can't be rehabilitated or forgiven for their crimes. They're just going to serve some time and may well end up back doing the same kind of thing again on their release, where we may have to go through all this again.

Wouldn't go for hanging though, inert gas would do the job much more efficiently.

Trouble with not having the death penalty is that everything else gets a lower sentence too. If someone commits 10 murders should someone who committed 3 get the same sentence? Should someone who committed one in a rage get the same as someone who did 3? Attempted murder and manslaughter are another step down, rape down again. By the time you get to facilitating rape the sentences are gonna be fairly low.

FatRat

They haven't been charged? This is all alleged? What if they're innocent? A bit extreme asking if they should be hung when they haven't even been charged.

GenieOz

FatRat wrote: »

They haven't been charged? This is all alleged? What if they're innocent? A bit extreme asking if they should be hung when they haven't even been charged.

It says if proven guilty in the OP..

FatRat

GenieOz wrote: »

It says if proven guilty in the OP..

Ah I see... well no. No death penalty. How could we say we are any better than those who committed the crimes if we maimed them for their actions? We'd become savages along with them imo.

hallo dare

If the death penalty was never removed, i wonder how many fcuked up crimes would have taken place ?

I'd welcome it's return as it may put the fear of God into some of these a$$holes and prevent alot of these murders, rapes, etc.

The law at the minute doesn't achieve any punishment towards the guilty whatsoever. They just end up in jail with better shelter, gyms, arts and crafts, etc.

If there was a proper punishment in place for crimes committed then there would be no need for a death penalty, but unfortunately there's bot, so as far as I can see there's only one way to put manners on these scum

Holsten

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm not against the death penalty in extreme cases. These people can't be rehabilitated or forgiven for their crimes. They're just going to serve some time and may well end up back doing the same kind of thing again on their release, where we may have to go through all this again.

Really? Do you have ANY evidence of this at all? Do some research on recidivism rates and you'll see you're very wrong.

No, it's not time to bring back hanging, it never will be. It's gone for good thankfully.

allthedoyles

They are Eastern Europeans --even a translator won't make them talk .

Watch them been released without charge after 24 hours

Lollipop95

Heard about this on the radio a while ago and it absolutely sickened me... That poor little girl is only 10 and her childhood has been snatched away from her, her life practically ruined... How traumatised she must be doesn't bear thinking about I would describe these monsters as "animals"
but quite frankly that would be an insult to animals. I am completely in favour of the death penalty in cases like this,murder and rape. Deserve nothing less than a slow and painful death. I'm sorry if people disagree with my view but it is just my opinion and my stance will never change - personally I think it's a travesty why the death penalty has not been introduced in Ireland as this case warrants it. Vile.

Holsten

Lollipop95 wrote: »

Heard about this on the radio a while ago and it absolutely sickened me... That poor little girl is only 10 and her childhood has been snatched away from her, her life practically ruined... How traumatised she must be doesn't bear thinking about I would describe these monsters as "animals"
but quite frankly that would be an insult to animals. I am completely in favour of the death penalty in cases like this,murder and rape. Deserve nothing less than a slow and painful death. I'm sorry if people disagree with my view but it is just my opinion and my stance will never change - personally I think it's a travesty why the death penalty has not been introduced in Ireland as this case warrants it. Vile.

Ok you get your wish and if you rape someone in Ireland you will be put to death.

Now tell me what you think goes through a rapists head after he/she is done... I let this girl go and I'm dead, I'll kill her and dump her body so there is less chance of me being put to death.

Do you see how this works? It's the same for child abuse, why let the child live when the chances you'll be caught and put to death would be high?

ScumLord

Holsten wrote: »

Really? Do you have ANY evidence of this at all? Do some research on recidivism rates and you'll see you're very wrong.

Really, so serial rapists are being cured in prison? Or do your statistics cover all crime including drug possession and license dodging? I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people guilty of minor crimes never end up in prison again but people who rape 6 year olds over the course of years can never be trusted again.

Pending the outcome of the court case obviously, but if found guilty I wouldn't be against getting rid of them rather than wasting money detaining them for a few years and releasing again.

Holsten

ScumLord wrote: »

Really, so serial rapists are being cured in prison? Or do your statistics cover all crime including drug possession and license dodging? I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people guilty of minor crimes never end up in prison again but people who rape 6 year olds over the course of years can never be trusted again.

Pending the outcome of the court case obviously, but if found guilty I wouldn't be against getting rid of them rather than wasting money detaining them for a few years and releasing again.

People convicted of sex offenses, so rapists are included in that. They have the lowest rate of re-offense of any criminal.

Now I'm talking first offense, if you have a serial rapist who is an active threat to people they should be locked up, yes, but not killed.

ScumLord

Holsten wrote: »

Now tell me what you think goes through a rapists head after he/she is done... I let this girl go and I'm dead, I'll kill her and dump her body so there is less chance of me being put to death.

There doesn't need to be a death penalty for every rape, but for extreme cases like this then yes. This goes beyond just rape, it's torture and imprisonment over a prolonged amount of time.

Do you see how this works? It's the same for child abuse, why let the child live when the chances you'll be caught and put to death would be high?

They can still get caught for murder, in fact I'd say they'd be more likely to get caught if they murdered the girl. Rape depends on the victim coming forward to press charges. With murder the state presses the charges.

Lollipop95

eviltwin wrote: »

No. What's the incentive to keep a victim alive if you know you face the death penalty if he/she goes to the guards?

Guess that's another way of looking at at , never though of that.:/ I just think they should be tortured, but maybe not killed. Having read all the comments now.,, (i voted yes) but they should suffer ... Absolutely.. For the psychological and physical tramau inflicted on their victims. I guess death would be the easy way out but either way they'd be going straight to hell

ScumLord

Holsten wrote: »

Now I'm talking first offense, if you have a serial rapist who is an active threat to people they should be locked up, yes, but not killed.

Locked up for how long and to what end? I don't think there's a prison sentence in Ireland that could adequately protect the people of Ireland because they will more then likely get out some day. What good is it to Irish society keeping them locked up for a while?

If they can't be rehabilitated the threat doesn't go away, it's just delayed.

JuliusCaesar

whitewave wrote: »

I agree, I've never agreed with the death penalty, even in cases of justice for a wrong-doing. Unfortunately chances are they won't be punished to the full extent of the law though.

Don't child abusers get a really hard time in jail from the other prisoners? That will really make their lives miserable, even beyond being imprisoned.

dj jarvis

Animals the lot of them , they deserve life if found guilty , but i would wager the max sentence is nothing close to life , and as always the judge will take "mitigating" circumstances into the amount of time handed down , along with the 25% good behavior bond ( assuming they are not murdered by other inmates )

so i would imagine , if the reporting is true , they will get no more than 12 years , do 7 , walk after that .

im not one for vigilante violence , but i would be happy to see a large pitch fork holding crowd waiting for them on release day

anncoates

A law isn't a once off thing. It's a law with application to many other cases so no.

Not that I'd care much if child murderers were hung, that said.

dj jarvis

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Don't child abusers get a really hard time in jail from the other prisoners? That will really make their lives miserable, even beyond being imprisoned.

they tend to be housed in arbour hill prision , with the rest of the sexual perverts and filth , becasue they would not last 5 minutes in mountjoy or wheatfield

Holsten

ScumLord wrote: »

If they can't be rehabilitated the threat doesn't go away, it's just delayed.

Who says they can't? When all the evidences points to that they can and are?

Holsten

dj jarvis wrote: »

im not one for vigilante violence , but i would be happy to see a large pitch fork holding crowd waiting for them on release day

Ok.. so you are for vigilantism.

ScumLord

Holsten wrote: »

Who says they can't? When all the evidences points to that they can and are?

What evidence? Maybe I'm wrong, if you have evidence that serial rapists can be cured by a prison sentence I'd like to see it.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

Trouble with not having the death penalty is that everything else gets a lower sentence too. If someone commits 10 murders should someone who committed 3 get the same sentence? Should someone who committed one in a rage get the same as someone who did 3? Attempted murder and manslaughter are another step down, rape down again. By the time you get to facilitating rape the sentences are gonna be fairly low.

having the death penalty isn't going to make other sentences longer, only the department/minister for justice can make sentences longer and the judges enforce it and hand down those sentences

Frank Lee Midere

dj jarvis wrote: »

they tend to be housed in arbour hill prision , with the rest of the sexual perverts and filth , becasue they would not last 5 minutes in mountjoy or wheatfield

These guys might be deported.

Holsten

ScumLord wrote: »

What evidence? Maybe I'm wrong, if you have evidence that serial rapists can be cured by a prison sentence I'd like to see it.

Read up on recidivism rates for criminals.

I'm not on about serial rapists who are the extreme minority, I'm on about one time offenders.

dj jarvis

Holsten wrote: »

Ok.. so you are for vigilantism.

i think its implied in my statement , that normally i would not be , but this being SUCH a heinous crime against a child , i would have no issue with it in this case.

did i really have to spell that out ? i thought it was clear what i was getting at

dj jarvis

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

These guys might be deported.

after they do their time in this country , i hope 2 f2uck they are dragged kicking and screaming to the end of the bull wall in Dublin and made f2ucking to swim to what ever **** hole they oozed from.

norrie rugger

Get it wrong just once and tell me that it is ok to have a death penalty.

How many times have there been convictions overturned, person would be dead.

It does not work in the USA, where only the lower economic (generally black) sections of society populate the death row blocks.

Thespoofer

North Korean/Russian type Gulag style prison for the rest of their lives.

end of the road

hallo dare wrote: »

If the death penalty was never removed, i wonder how many fcuked up crimes would have taken place ?

the same amount that has without it, probably more

hallo dare wrote: »

I'd welcome it's return as it may put the fear of God into some of these a$$holes and prevent alot of these murders, rapes, etc.

no it won't

hallo dare wrote: »

The law at the minute doesn't achieve any punishment towards the guilty whatsoever.

neither does the death penalty

hallo dare wrote: »

They just end up in jail with better shelter, gyms, arts and crafts, etc.

and?

hallo dare wrote: »

If there was a proper punishment in place for crimes committed then there would be no need for a death penalty, but unfortunately there's bot, so as far as I can see there's only one way to put manners on these scum

that doesn't make any sense what so ever, why would their be a need for a death penalty now when we can just make the sentences longer at no cost yet because its not being done at the moment theirs suddenly a need for the death penalty? as i said it makes no sense, and as for "there's only one way to put manners on these scum" no their isn't, you can't "put manners on these scum" the death penalty is a failed method, its backward, hypocritical, outdated, and isn't has never been and will never be a deterrent, leave it to the countries who use it but preach from religious books and preach the 10 commandments while breaking every one of them such as the states in america that have it along with the other backward dumps

dj jarvis

norrie rugger wrote: »

Get it wrong just once and tell me that it is ok to have a death penalty.

How many times have there been convictions overturned, person would be dead.

It does not work in the USA, where only the lower economic (generally black) sections of society populate the death row blocks.

i have read that upwards of 15% of all executions in the US have been either proven to be innocent or at least should have been commuted due to poor representation in the trails ( of normally poor people )

teddansonswig

deport deport deport , death penalty is so last millennia

end of the road

Lollipop95 wrote: »

Heard about this on the radio a while ago and it absolutely sickened me... That poor little girl is only 10 and her childhood has been snatched away from her, her life practically ruined... How traumatised she must be doesn't bear thinking about I would describe these monsters as "animals"
but quite frankly that would be an insult to animals. I am completely in favour of the death penalty in cases like this,murder and rape. Deserve nothing less than a slow and painful death. I'm sorry if people disagree with my view but it is just my opinion and my stance will never change - personally I think it's a travesty why the death penalty has not been introduced in Ireland as this case warrants it. Vile.

ireland did have it, the people spoke and it was abolished, it won't be coming back unless we want to leave the EU and have a recession worse then the 1980s and the last few years put together

Stojkovic

allthedoyles wrote: »

They are Eastern Europeans --even a translator won't make them talk .

They probably speak better English than you do.

Says I To Bridey

Solitary confinement for the rest of their lives