2014 Champion Hurdle

rossom · 16-02-2014 06:35PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Lol. Ruby Walsh would sell out his wife for a champion hurdle winner, he wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over a horse

Ruby said before that if Kauto was running that he would never ride anything else, even if he felt the another horse had a better chance, purely out of fear that he would be devastated that he gave up the chance to record another win on Kauto.

I'm sure that sentiment applies for HF too.

Harry Angstrom · 16-02-2014 06:36PM

Willie said he wants to keep Un De Sceaux "under the radar". I wonder what his owner thinks of that?

Seriously though, he has a lot to prove against the likes of Hurricane Fly and co. Probably just being realistic about the situation. Could be put away for the Aintree Hurdle now.

jimjamcos · 16-02-2014 06:38PM

yaboya1 wrote: »

If he's not running him because they don't believe he can win the race, fair enough. But if they're not running him because they're afraid of beating Hurricane Fly, whether they think he's his only/biggest danger or not it's bad form. It would be different if the two horses were in the same ownership, but they're not.

Regardless of what the reason is it sure as hell isn't that "he took a lot out of himself yesterday". Willie and Ruby must have some lol to themselves when they come up with these excuses for not running horses.. :pac:

If I was UDS's owner I'd be sick as a dog. What's to say HF wont still be no.1 choice next year? Or what if Faugheen annihilates a Neptune field and becomes a CH horse? Or what if Willie buys another flying machine from France?

Basically what I'm saying is Willie will be as strong for the CH next year as he is this year. No such guarantees for UDS's owners.

yaboya1 · 16-02-2014 06:39PM

jimjamcos wrote: »

Regardless of what the reason is it sure as hell isn't that "he took a lot out of himself yesterday". Willie and Ruby must have some lol to themselves when they come up with these excuses for not running horses.. :pac:

If I was UDS's owner I'd be sick as a dog. What's to say HF wont still be no.1 choice next year? Or what if Faugheen annihilates a Neptune field and becomes a CH horse? Or what if Willie buys another flying machine from France?

Basically what I'm saying is Willie will be as strong for the CH next year as he is this year. No such guarantees for UDS's owners.

Sorry if you misunderstood. I was agreeing with your point.
I think as racing fans, whether we fancy him or not, back him/don't back him, we'd rather UDS ran in the race than not show up.

ft9 · 16-02-2014 06:43PM

Hopefully Richie has come to terms with this now and can move on.
Irrelevant arguement anyway, UDS was never going the CH.

Huntley · 16-02-2014 07:22PM

If Un De Sceaux iss good enough currently to run in the Champion Hurdle than he will line up. All indications are that he isn't mature enough now, mentally fragile and is still learning to settle according to the trainer and jockey. You can't run in a Champion Hurdle with the choke out and expect to get away with it, he would inevitably collapse in a heap at some stage. He is obviously a nice prospect that they don't want to potentially destroy at this stage of his career.

I don't think the excuse given by them is rubbish either saying he took plenty out of himself yesterday. When you have a horse who runs like that, putting everything in to his races, than he will certainly be feeling the effects of it.

klairondavis · 16-02-2014 07:26PM

Huntley wrote: »

If Un De Sceaux iss good enough currently to run in the Champion Hurdle than he will line up. All indications are that he isn't mature enough now, mentally fragile and is still learning to settle according to the trainer and jockey. You can't run in a Champion Hurdle with the choke out and expect to get away with it, he would inevitably collapse in a heap at some stage. He is obviously a nice prospect that they don't want to potentially destroy at this stage of his career.

+1

Swerving Cheltenham this year might be in the horse's best interests long term. That said, I do think he will be in the line up were Hurricane Fly to stand on a stone the week before the race.

jimjamcos · 16-02-2014 07:35PM

Huntley wrote: »

If Un De Sceaux iss good enough currently to run in the Champion Hurdle than he will line up. All indications are that he isn't mature enough now, mentally fragile and is still learning to settle according to the trainer and jockey. You can't run in a Champion Hurdle with the choke out and expect to get away with it, he would inevitably collapse in a heap at some stage. He is obviously a nice prospect that they don't want to potentially destroy at this stage of his career.

I don't think the excuse given by them is rubbish either saying he took plenty out of himself yesterday. When you have a horse who runs like that, putting everything in to his races, than he will certainly be feeling the effects of it.

Cheltenham's three weeks from Tuesday, plenty of time for a horse like UDS to recover from yesterdays canter. Do you think Mullins would announce it this early if he was even contemplating UDS for the race? If it had anything to do with how he came out of yesterdays race he'd give him time. Clearly just wants it put to bed.

mulbot · 16-02-2014 07:42PM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Willie said he wants to keep Un De Sceaux "under the radar". I wonder what his owner thinks of that?

Seriously though, he has a lot to prove against the likes of Hurricane Fly and co. Probably just being realistic about the situation. Could be put away for the Aintree Hurdle now.

under the radar-has mullins not bein on planet earth the last month,

Huntley · 16-02-2014 07:54PM

jimjamcos wrote: »

Cheltenham's three weeks from Tuesday, plenty of time for a horse like UDS to recover from yesterdays canter. Do you think Mullins would announce it this early if he was even contemplating UDS for the race? If it had anything to do with how he came out of yesterdays race he'd give him time. Clearly just wants it put to bed.

Horses who run with the choke out don't have easy runs in a physical sense, regardless of the visual impression. It isn't the sole reason why he probably won't line up but the excuse isn't rubbish. Stating that three weeks is enough to get him ready for the biggest race of his life is, dare I say, guesswork.

mulbot · 16-02-2014 07:56PM

" You can't run in a Champion Hurdle with the choke out and expect to get away with it, he would inevitably collapse in a heap at some stage". Well he did run his thurles race 4 seconds quicker than HF's 2013 champion hurdle(both soft conditions)-diff tracks obviously but shows that he can maintain one hell of a gallop without" collapsing in a heap"

if hurricane fly wasn't running UDS would be

longshotvalue · 16-02-2014 08:03PM

mulbot wrote: »

" You can't run in a Champion Hurdle with the choke out and expect to get away with it, he would inevitably collapse in a heap at some stage". Well he did run his thurles race 4 seconds quicker than HF's 2013 champion hurdle(both soft conditions)-diff tracks obviously but shows that he can maintain one hell of a gallop without" collapsing in a heap"

if hurricane fly wasn't running UDS would be

probably true but if he was going to beat hurricane fly he'd be going. Anyone that thinks that mullins would leave the potential winner of the champion hurdle at home just because he wants a specific horse to have a slightly better chance to win in mad..

Huntley · 16-02-2014 08:03PM

Comparing a race in Thurles with a Champion Hurdle mountai. As much similarity between a dog and a polar bear.

jimjamcos · 16-02-2014 08:06PM

Huntley wrote: »

Horses who run with the choke out don't have easy runs in a physical sense, regardless of the visual impression. It isn't the sole reason why he probably won't line up but the excuse isn't rubbish. Stating that three weeks is enough to get him ready for the biggest race of his life is, dare I say, guesswork.

If you honestly believe what Mullins is saying, then fairplay to ya. You're a lot less cynical than me. I'd be fairly confident Willie'll have no problem getting UDS ready if HF steps on a stone. :cool:

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 08:13PM

jimjamcos wrote: »

Cheltenham's three weeks from Tuesday, plenty of time for a horse like UDS to recover from yesterdays canter. Do you think Mullins would announce it this early if he was even contemplating UDS for the race? If it had anything to do with how he came out of yesterdays race he'd give him time. Clearly just wants it put to bed.

Yesterday might have looked like a canter but the point is it wasn't, the horse gives his all in his races.

hucklebuck · 16-02-2014 08:14PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Just caught up on the racing, I'm my opinion that thing that won at Gowran today should be 50/1 to make all in a champion hurdle

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Don't be so stupid, because I think a horse should be a certain price doesn't mean I will lay him at that price when I don't have to.

UDS is a pacemaker if he turns up at all

You think all the bookies have the horse wrong by 36 or more points, that is stupid.

hucklebuck · 16-02-2014 08:17PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Make no mistake, Mullins, and Ruby for that matter doesn't care about sentiment, if he knew that UDS was better than Hurricane Fly then do you think he would take a chance on a 10 years old who isn't as good as one in his yard.

Don't be so ridiculous

Denman was always going to beat Kauto in that Gold Cup but he stayed on Kauto.

mdwexford · 16-02-2014 08:19PM

mulbot wrote: »

" You can't run in a Champion Hurdle with the choke out and expect to get away with it, he would inevitably collapse in a heap at some stage". Well he did run his thurles race 4 seconds quicker than HF's 2013 champion hurdle(both soft conditions)-diff tracks obviously but shows that he can maintain one hell of a gallop without" collapsing in a heap"

if hurricane fly wasn't running UDS would be

Comparing race times from different tracks might be the most crazy thing I've ever seen.

Even if it was the same track it would mean little, different one is beyond pointless.

Motivator · 16-02-2014 08:21PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Lol. Ruby Walsh would sell out his wife for a champion hurdle winner, he wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over a horse

How about the time he picked Kauto Star over Denman? Sam Thomas has stated many times that he was convinced he was going to be given the ride on Kauto Star as Denman was never going to be beaten in 2008. Ruby had the pick & he chose the horse that gave him so much success. I suppose Ruby just lies through his teeth in every interview he does & in every column he writes does he?

Give it a rest you clown.

mulbot · 16-02-2014 08:23PM

mdwexford wrote: »

Comparing race times from different tracks might be the most crazy thing I've ever seen.

Even if it was the same track it would mean little, different one is beyond pointless.

already acknowledged both diff tracks,my point is that he can maintain a serious gallop without "collapsing in a heap"

jimjamcos · 16-02-2014 08:23PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Yesterday might have looked like a canter but the point is it wasn't, the horse gives his all in his races.

I understand that but it's also a fact that UDS running, while a complete unknown, would be totally against what HF wants. Call me cynical but I said it would play out like this on here weeks ago. Too convenient for my liking. Not saying they're not running him because he'd necessarily beat HF, moreso that he'd be the beating of him imo.

Anyway, it's all well and good minding horses for next season but if anyone looks at the team of top Mullins horses on the sidelines at the moment, it doesn't always work out as planned.

Carpe diem!

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 08:25PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Denman was always going to beat Kauto in that Gold Cup but he stayed on Kauto.

Motivator wrote: »

How about the time he picked Kauto Star over Denman? Sam Thomas has stated many times that he was convinced he was going to be given the ride on Kauto Star as Denman was never going to be beaten in 2008. Ruby had the pick & he chose the horse that gave him so much success. I suppose Ruby just lies through his teeth in every interview he does & in every column he writes does he?

Give it a rest you clown.

Kauto started odds on favourite but everyone knew denman would win

And I'm the clown.

Hulk Hands · 16-02-2014 08:25PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Denman was always going to beat Kauto in that Gold Cup but he stayed on Kauto.

Motivator wrote: »

How about the time he picked Kauto Star over Denman? Sam Thomas has stated many times that he was convinced he was going to be given the ride on Kauto Star as Denman was never going to be beaten in 2008. Ruby had the pick & he chose the horse that gave him so much success. I suppose Ruby just lies through his teeth in every interview he does & in every column he writes does he?

Give it a rest you clown.

Lads Kauto started that Gold Cup 10/11 and Denman 9/4....

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 08:27PM

Motivator wrote: »

How about the time he picked Kauto Star over Denman? Sam Thomas has stated many times that he was convinced he was going to be given the ride on Kauto Star as Denman was never going to be beaten in 2008. Ruby had the pick & he chose the horse that gave him so much success. I suppose Ruby just lies through his teeth in every interview he does & in every column he writes does he?

Give it a rest you clown.

Ruby Walsh writes those columns for the money, if you think he gives a fcuk about the punters you are sadly mistaken

hucklebuck · 16-02-2014 08:31PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Kauto started odds on favourite but everyone knew denman would win

And I'm the clown.

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Lads Kauto started that Gold Cup 10/11 and Denman 9/4....

And it was all horse racing fans backing Kauto was it? People I know that have no interest in racing were backing Kauto in every King George and Gold Cup at that stage.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who saw Denmans RSA and Hennessy thought he could be beaten by anything in Cheltenham, never mind a jockey that knows his onions.

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 08:34PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

And it was all horse racing fans backing Kauto was it? People I know that have no interest in racing were backing Kauto in every King George and Gold Cup at that stage.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who saw Denmans RSA and Hennessy thought he could be beaten by anything in Cheltenham, never mind a jockey that knows his onions.

Really? This is hilarious

mulbot · 16-02-2014 08:35PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Ruby Walsh writes those columns for the money, if you think he gives a fcuk about the punters you are sadly mistaken

dead right-im trying to find a clip on a prog where he said this in a more polite way,while still bein his arrogant ignorant self

mdwexford · 16-02-2014 08:37PM

mulbot wrote: »

already acknowledged both diff tracks,my point is that he can maintain a serious gallop without "collapsing in a heap"

He wouldnt maintain a serious enough gallop to get the main Champion Hurdle horses off his tail without going out like a light two out anyway imo.

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 08:38PM

mulbot wrote: »

dead right-im trying to find a clip on a prog where he said this in a more polite way,while still bein his arrogant ignorant self

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vVzJ0kq0Vd0

Basically says **** the punters

Hulk Hands · 16-02-2014 08:38PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

And it was all horse racing fans backing Kauto was it? People I know that have no interest in racing were backing Kauto in every King George and Gold Cup at that stage.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who saw Denmans RSA and Hennessy thought he could be beaten by anything in Cheltenham, never mind a jockey that knows his onions.

Kauto Star had won the previous years Gold Cup and had won a King George by about a fence on the bridle! Ruby wasn't to know when he made his decision in January (forced to before the Aon), that the ground would go against Kauto that day. Remember his post race interview with Thommo? 'Any regrets over who you chose to Ride Ruby'? Answer...'what the fuuck do you think Thommo'. Ruby was very annoyed over his wrong choice.

Also, informed money and traders opinions dicatate prices. A horse does not start odds on favourite in a Gold Cup because joe mug public is backing him. So the bookies just let all these pro punters and anyone with a brain have 9/4 on a complete and utter certainty? Seriously?

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