Hare coursing with lurchers?

Dian Cecht · 09-02-2014 07:02PM

Fallow wrote: »

You must be a greyhound coursing man by the sound of it, those sad creatures that hold wild hares in a pen for days and then release them in front of greyhounds all for the sake of making money, gambling and dont tell me otherwise, as that is all it is not hunting for the pot or vermin control.!

As for poaching deer, sweet jesus, where did transit mention that???
You see, its the same old same old, ''o, he has lurchers, so he is a no good traveler and poaches everything''...what a load of rubbish!!

Your right transit, no wonder field sports are going down hill, with the likes of the ignorance above... :rolleyes:

You assume incorrectly. I'm not a greyhound man or even a coursing supporter. I don't shoot hares legally (with a shotgun during their season) either so I'm not trying to "protect" my sport before you assume that I am.

I'm a sportsman who supports any legal activity pursued in a legal way.

I firmly believe that the law must be obeyed no matter how much I think it is wrong.

Someone posting here that he is coursing hares without a licence from NPWS is committing an offence same as someone lamping deer in my book.

Illegal is illegal.

transit260 · 09-02-2014 07:38PM

and thereyou go,no win situation,good luck all,end of debate from me.enjoy your sport,it might not be around in a few years to participate in,

feartuath · 10-02-2014 01:54AM

As a farmer and as someone who has shot for the last 30 years is it legal to hunt hares with dogs with no muzzles.
Something tells me it's not.

dodderangler · 10-02-2014 08:55AM

Does anyone still shoot them even?
I know one lad who'd shoot maybe one or two a year but that's it.

snipe02 · 10-02-2014 09:01AM

feartuath wrote: »

As a farmer and as someone who has shot for the last 30 years is it legal to hunt hares with dogs with no muzzles.
Something tells me it's not.

they can be hunted with footpacks or shot but you need a lisence to course them meaning the average joe soap is breaking the law by running lurchers on them ,,

hunterpajero · 10-02-2014 01:24PM

transit260 wrote: »

who mentioned deer,we are talking about hares,i personally have NEVER EVER taken a deer with a dog,its cruel,pointless and asking for trouble.why did you pick that out of nowhere,you I think have an ulterior motive in that statement.keep to the topic.your another one that only sees the things you want to see,some lurcher owners poach deer with dogs so we all do it?is that your view on us.?

one other thing ........I dont lamp with the dogs.its all daylight I do now.for many years I have used the spotlight but not in 10 years,geting too old and too much hassle .I like to stick my slippers on and put my feet up in the evenings.

well you said if you are out with your dog and a hare gets up and your dog gives chase its not your problem,im saying is it the same thing if a deer ran out of a ditch or cover during the day i did not mention any lamps either by the way

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 02:11PM

hunterpajero wrote: »

well you said if you are out with your dog and a hare gets up and your dog gives chase its not your problem,im saying is it the same thing if a deer ran out of a ditch or cover during the day i did not mention any lamps either by the way

Ah it ok during the day , dog walkers do it all the time

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 02:34PM

TriggerPL wrote: »

Ah it ok during the day , dog walkers do it all the time

I've said already if you don't have full control over you're dogs they should not be let off their leads on someone else's property.

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 02:41PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

I've said already if you don't have full control over you're dogs they should not be let off their leads on someone else's property.

It's called sarcasm ! I stop reading anything u post 2 days ago

And if you look I wasn't quoting u !!

I was simply stating dog walkers done give two ****s what damage they do out walking there dogs in areas where there is deer

snipe02 · 10-02-2014 02:53PM

In fairness if greyhounds can course then why cant lurchers muzzled of course excuse the pun or if people are that interested in coursing hares get a grey hound and join a coursing club

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 02:56PM

snipe02 wrote: »

In fairness if greyhounds can course then why cant lurchers muzzled of course excuse the pun or if people are that interested in coursing hares get a grey hound and join a coursing club

Because there like every other club , they don't want you in it , it alway a bunch of friend and sh1t

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 02:58PM

TriggerPL wrote: »

It's called sarcasm ! I stop reading anything u post 2 days ago

And if you look I wasn't quoting u !!

I was simply stating dog walkers done give two ****s what damage they do out walking there dogs in areas where there is deer

The average family mutt is not trained to hunt/course in the same was a lurcher might be. I won't make sweeping generalisations like you have and say that all lurchers are kept for hunting/coursing as I know people who have them as pets.

If my pet dog seen a deer he's probably run the other way and even if he did chase it I guarantee the deer wouldn't have any trouble getting away from him. As for my hunting dog he's trained to only hunt certain things and ignores what he's not supposed to hunt. And even if he does think of chasing something he's not supposed to I have him well trained enough that a couple of pips on my whistle and he'll stop straight away.

My comments are directed at "dog walkers" too.

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 03:00PM

TriggerPL wrote: »

Because there like every other club , they don't want you in it , it alway a bunch of friend and sh1t

That's a pathetic excuse. Maybe you're the problem. Not the club.

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 03:08PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

The average family mutt is not trained to hunt/course in the same was a lurcher might be. I won't make sweeping generalisations like you have and say that all lurchers are kept for hunting/coursing as I know people who have them as pets.

If my pet dog seen a deer he's probably run the other way and even if he did chase it I guarantee the deer wouldn't have any trouble getting away from him. As for my hunting dog he's trained to only hunt certain things and ignores what he's not supposed to hunt. And even if he does think of chasing something he's not supposed to I have him well trained enough that a couple of pips on my whistle and he'll stop straight away.

My comments are directed at "dog walkers" too.

U hit the nail on the head !! The adverage family isn't trained and doesn't need to chase , all it has to do is spring a deer from cover , and cause panic it a deer .

Suddenly deer runs into fences or what ever and gets injured , I've got a few calls over the last two years , deer caught in fences alive and dead ,

I've made no generalization ,

robertpatterson · 10-02-2014 03:12PM

AFAIK its not the law that coursing dogs have to be muzzled
It was an idea taken on by Bord no Gcon looking to alleviate some of the pressure that was from the antis at the time
It might be changed now, no doubt somebody will point me in the error of my ways if im wrong

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 03:13PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

That's a pathetic excuse. Maybe you're the problem. Not the club.

What are you on about now , I'm a member of my own club for 16 years now and a member of the west of ireland spaniel club .

Go try and join a club out side ur area see how you get on . Unless ur from the area or have a friend get u in there is no chance .

So my excuse is valid . How many lads here are approached and ran from land by a club even tho they have permission ,

Not really the acts of a welcoming club now is it !!

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 03:15PM

TriggerPL wrote: »

U hit the nail on the head !! The adverage family isn't trained and doesn't need to chase , all it has to do is spring a deer from cover , and cause panic it a deer .

Suddenly deer runs into fences or what ever and gets injured , I've got a few calls over the last two years , deer caught in fences alive and dead ,

I've made no generalization ,

Yep, that can happen & it's a shame when it does.

Are you saying that only deer stalkers should be allowed on the land so? If the landowner wants to walk his or even allows others to walk their dogs (family pets & gundogs I'm talking about) on his land he shouldn't as a deer might get spooked?

And to repeat myself if your on someone else's land and you don't have control of your dog you shouldn't be there especially if there is any livestock in the area.

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 03:20PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

Yep, that can happen & it's a shame when it does.

Are you saying that only deer stalkers should be allowed on the land so? If the landowner wants to walk his or even allows others to walk their dogs (family pets & gundogs I'm talking about) on his land he shouldn't as a deer might get spooked?

And to repeat myself if your on someone else's land and you don't have control of your dog you shouldn't be there especially if there is any livestock in the area.

It was fooking sarcasm !!!!!! I wasn't quoting u nor do I read ur posted apart from the ones that u aim at me .

Open ur eyes !!

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 03:26PM

I'm in lots of different hunting & conservation clubs both in my area & outside it. When people know that you're a decent & law abiding sportsman it's easy to get into other clubs. The only people I know who can't get into clubs are lads that have questionable morals when it comes to hunting & respect for their quarry or are known to break the law.

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 03:36PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

I'm in lots of different hunting & conservation clubs both in my area & outside it. When people know that you're a decent & law abiding sportsman it's easy to get into other clubs. The only people I know who can't get into clubs are lads that have questionable morals when it comes to hunting & respect for their quarry or are known to break the law.[/

And the award goes to !! .

See unlike you , im in two clubs both I work hard at and give a lot of free time too

So either you don't work and have ur whole life devoted to these clubs or ur just in them to make ur self feel important ,

Or your superman and can balance life with all the clubs ur in .

Oh one more option ur full of dung !

U decide ! I'm done reading ur post . Have a very nice day .

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 03:38PM

No need to be so nasty

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 03:41PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

No need to be so nasty

No need to come on hear spurting **** , that u never broke a law in ur life , no tax fines parking or speeding fines either yea.

Cause as you can see from the other lads posts not one is swallowing what ur posting .

Gud day to u sir !!

PL05 · 10-02-2014 03:46PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

Yep, that can happen & it's a shame when it does.

Are you saying that only deer stalkers should be allowed on the land so? If the landowner wants to walk his or even allows others to walk their dogs (family pets & gundogs I'm talking about) on his land he shouldn't as a deer might get spooked?

And to repeat myself if your on someone else's land and you don't have control of your dog you shouldn't be there especially if there is any livestock in the area.

Not saying that people should,nt have the right to walk their dogs but when someone is stalking on a coillte lease and has paid a lot of money for the privilage to do so and some gob****es come along with dogs off leads and running all over the place and basically making a boll*x of your stalk. Apart from having no regard for the coillte sign that states all dogs must be kept on leads at all times while on their lands they also choose to ignore the signs warning them that firearms are in use. Sorry but some people are idiots and it pisses me off. And if you dare to say anything to them, they become arrogant as if they own the place.

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 04:09PM

Coilte is a state body & allows people to walk in it's forests. Fair enough you're paying to stalk there but that doesn't give you exclusive rights. You'd hardly be shooting near or towards roads or tracks so it should hardly be a problem if someone is walking with or without a dog in the forest.

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 04:10PM

TriggerPL wrote: »

No need to come on hear spurting **** , that u never broke a law in ur life , no tax fines parking or speeding fines either yea.

Cause as you can see from the other lads posts not one is swallowing what ur posting .

Gud day to u sir !!

No, never so much as a parking ticket :cool:

No need to call me "sir". "Mr" will do. Although it is nice to see you showing respect to your elders

valerossi · 10-02-2014 04:11PM

Between gun clubs thinking they own land they shoot and our nomadic scrap metal merchants fu#king over farmers coursing is almost dead, it's a shame because I new an awful lot of good honest responsible men who lived for it and spent there lives doing it.

Of course our almighty troll stuck his head in again and dragged another thread to horse sh#t with his two cents worth, suppose he has never zeroed his 22 in a field and never has more ammo then his license states keeping in mind spent rounds count.

Dian Cecht · 10-02-2014 04:16PM

Calling people trolls & being nasty to those who disagree with you is more of a reflection on you than us trolls.

When I read the rules it said you couldn't post personal abuse. Seems some of you lads have trouble obeying any rules

valerossi · 10-02-2014 04:22PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

Calling people trolls & being nasty to those who disagree with you is more of a reflection on you than us trolls.

When I read the rules it said you couldn't post personal abuse. Seems some of you lads have trouble obeying any rules

I never mentioned your name pal so maybe your a little paranoid!

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 04:34PM

Dian Cecht wrote: »

Calling people trolls & being nasty to those who disagree with you is more of a reflection on you than us trolls.

When I read the rules it said you couldn't post personal abuse. Seems some of you lads have trouble obeying any rules

Where the personal abuse ? I called a turd a turd there was no personal abuse ,

And from reading all the post ere no one has givin abuse , they just choose not to swallow ur posts plain and simple ..

TriggerPL · 10-02-2014 04:36PM

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