New York Mayor to boycott St Patricks Day Parade

floggg · 06-02-2014 03:16PM

golfball37 wrote: »

Someone trying to relate a Political message at an event that is apolitical is by definition a trouble maker. Their sexuality is irrevelent. What you and your group is doing is what St Patricks day parades is about so I don't understand the offence.

Now imagine our name is the "Brooklyn LGBT Street Performance Group".

Should we be allowed march behind a banner bearing our name?

If not, please tell me how it's different from the "Brooklyn Street Performance Group" marching?

SPS1 · 06-02-2014 03:16PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

what's the point in marching if you can't be identified

The purpose of St Patricks parades are to celebrate irish culture & the irish diasporia around the world.

There is no need for pro-homosexual groups to be announcing their presence with gay pride styled banners anymore than pro-cannabis groups being allowed to march with banners, or any other group ad nausem.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-02-2014 03:19PM

SPS1 wrote: »

The purpose of St Patricks parades are to celebrate irish culture & the irish diasporia around the world.

There is no need for pro-homosexual groups to be announcing their presence with gay pride styled banners anymore than pro-cannabis groups being allowed to march with banners, or any other group ad nausem.

cannabis is illegal

RobertKK · 06-02-2014 03:20PM

So the mayor is boycotting a parade that celebrates the patron saint of Ireland, because he thinks it should be multi-coloured instead of green.

FTA69 · 06-02-2014 03:20PM

SPS1 wrote: »

The purpose of St Patricks parades are to celebrate irish culture & the irish diasporia around the world.

There is no need for pro-homosexual groups to be announcing their presence with gay pride styled banners anymore than pro-cannabis groups being allowed to march with banners, or any other group ad nausem.

So how come we can have refugee and immigrant groups taking part in parades in Ireland then? Should they be given the boot as well?

floggg · 06-02-2014 03:20PM

SPS1 wrote: »

The purpose of St Patricks parades are to celebrate irish culture & the irish diasporia around the world.

There is no need for pro-homosexual groups to be announcing their presence with gay pride styled banners anymore than pro-cannabis groups being allowed to march with banners, or any other group ad nausem.

Pro-homosexual groups?

What the hell is that? Professional gays?

conorhal · 06-02-2014 03:21PM

SPS1 wrote: »

The purpose of St Patricks parades are to celebrate irish culture & the irish diasporia around the world.

There is no need for pro-homosexual groups to be announcing their presence with gay pride styled banners anymore than pro-cannabis groups being allowed to march with banners, or any other group ad nausem.

Oh.. so you want to descriminate againt Irish American's marching under the banner of the seven leaf clover too do you! Deshcrimination I say!

:pac:

My name is URL · 06-02-2014 03:25PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Good call by the mayor on this one.

Maybe Enda and his crew cohorts can instead follow it up with a move to Flushing Meadows for the parade.

Well he won't. He's attending and good on him for not allowing himself to be dictated to by a vocal minority who are trying to politicise the whole thing.

http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-st-patricks-day-parade-new-york-1302516-Feb2014/

“But as I understand this from the organisers of the New York St Patrick’s Day parade, they allow anybody to walk in the parade, but they don’t allow them to carry individual banners. So, it’s my intention to be there in New York.

padd b1975 · 06-02-2014 03:26PM

FTA69 wrote: »

padd b1975 wrote: »

Can you really not see how a march calling for equality for gays would be hostile to a homophobic organisation? Really?

A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one.

I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community.

Or they could follow your advice and maintain an aggressive attitude.:o

Yep, thought you'd have no response to it alright. I guess he wasn't really about equality or diversity after all, sure he didn't invite the KKK after all. Expecting gay people to be tolerant of homophobic groups is as retarded as expecting blacks to be tolerant of racists.

I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig.

But that's just my opinion.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-02-2014 03:28PM

floggg wrote: »

Pro-homosexual groups?

What the hell is that? Professional gays?

is it pensionable?

floggg · 06-02-2014 03:30PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

is it pensionable?

Probably penisonable.

Unless it's a lesbian team.

bodice ripper · 06-02-2014 03:30PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

is it pensionable?

Not if you are a supporter of Traditional Pensions

FTA69 · 06-02-2014 03:31PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one.

A group that campaigns for the state to refuse to extend the same rights to gays as other citizens is a homophobic group. Rory O'Neill was spot on in his recent assertions at the Abbey Theatre.

I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community.

I'm sure gay people and groups are actively willing and able to debate why they should have equal rights to civil marriage. In fact they do it on a regular basis and always have done.

I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig.

The commonality lies with the fact that they are both struggles for acceptance and equality in society and they are both struggles against discrimination based on who and what you are.

bumper234 · 06-02-2014 03:31PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

Not if you are a supporter of Traditional Pensions

Ruining pensions for all the married folk (or something)

SPS1 · 06-02-2014 03:32PM

FTA69 wrote: »

So how come we can have refugee and immigrant groups taking part in parades in Ireland then? Should they be given the boot as well?

Are these groups taking part in the parade voicing their different culture through banners/native dance etc? If yes, then potentially gay people should be allowed celebrate. Although it would more than likely be with a political message, in which case I disagree that any political messages should be allowed at a festival that is aimed at celebrating irish culture.

Nodin · 06-02-2014 03:32PM

floggg wrote: »

Pro-homosexual groups?

What the hell is that? Professional gays?

You could advertise in a booming voice with an American accent...

"Pro-Gay......for when Gay is just not gay enough"

floggg · 06-02-2014 03:36PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

FTA69 wrote: »

padd b1975 wrote: »

A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one.

I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community.

Or they could follow your advice and maintain an aggressive attitude.:o

I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig.

But that's just my opinion.

If you can't see the commonality of MLK's cause and that of equality for LGBT people than you understand neither MLK's message or the meaning if the term equality.

However, perhaps to save some time, you should look up the views of Coretta Scott King, MLK's wife who has confirmed the commonality of the cause.

Or Bayard Rustin, the principal organiser of the million man march, an openly and proud gay man.

Though evidently facts aren't all that important to you.

FTA69 · 06-02-2014 03:36PM

SPS1 wrote: »

Are these groups taking part in the parade voicing their different culture through banners/native dance etc? If yes, then potentially gay people should be allowed celebrate. Although it would more than likely be with a political message, in which case I disagree that any political messages should be allowed at a festival that is aimed at celebrating irish culture.

http://www.adultrefugee.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=5

Here's a refugee group which marches behind a banner in the Dublin parade; a similar group takes part in Cork.

The "individual banner" excuse deployed is also b*llocks because even a gay group that applies to march will be rejected, due to the fact they are gay. So we can have banners that represent cops, firefighters, parts of Ireland, youth groups, migrants etc but not a gay group.

People would want to take a hard look at the AOH and their philosophy before pretending there is nothing exclusionary about them.

bodice ripper · 06-02-2014 03:37PM

SPS1 wrote: »

Are these groups taking part in the parade voicing their different culture through banners/native dance etc? If yes, then potentially gay people should be allowed celebrate. Although it would more than likely be with a political message, in which case I disagree that any political messages should be allowed at a festival that is aimed at celebrating irish culture.

This is exactly the problem. Who the hell are a group of American Oligarchs to say what defines Irish culture?

Donkey Oaty · 06-02-2014 03:40PM

FTA69 wrote: »

People would want to take a hard look at the AOH and their philosophy before pretending there is nothing exclusionary about them.

Or even a very brief look:

TO BE A MEMBER YOU MUST BE A PRACTICING CATHOLIC AND BE OF IRISH HERITAGE BY BIRTH OR DESCENT.

Via the Ancient Order of Hibernians website, membership section.

floggg · 06-02-2014 03:42PM

SPS1 wrote: »

Are these groups taking part in the parade voicing their different culture through banners/native dance etc? If yes, then potentially gay people should be allowed celebrate. Although it would more than likely be with a political message, in which case I disagree that any political messages should be allowed at a festival that is aimed at celebrating irish culture.

Like what, we exist?

Since when the **** that become a political message.

This type of homophobia pisses me off the most. The type that masquerades as accepting - but only as long as we remain invisible and in the background.

The type that views gay people just wanting to be acknowledged as some sort of political message.

The type that sees gay people as the issue when we object to discrimination or equality.

They aren't being barred because they want to have a marriage equality float.

They are being barred because the want to walk down the street and just be acknowledged as forming part of the Irish and Irish American community.

Unfortunately some people don't want us as part of their community.

My name is URL · 06-02-2014 03:47PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Or even a very brief look:

Via the Ancient Order of Hibernians website, membership section.

It's a fraternal organization.. they tend to have restrictions on who can be a member.

expectationlost · 06-02-2014 03:48PM

Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore said gay rights groups had encouraged the Government to participate in the parade. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/enda-kenny-plans-to-march-in-ny-parade-despite-city-mayors-boycott-29985983.html which groups?

SPS1 · 06-02-2014 03:51PM

floggg wrote: »

Like what, we exist?

Since when the **** that become a political message.

This type of homophobia pisses me off the most. The type that masquerades as accepting - but only as long as we remain invisible and in the background.

The type that views gay people just wanting to be acknowledged as some sort of political message.

The type that sees gay people as the issue when we object to discrimination or equality.

They aren't being barred because they want to have a marriage equality float.

They are being barred because the want to walk down the street and just be acknowledged as forming part of the Irish and Irish American community.

Unfortunately some people don't want us as part of their community.

Reread my post before freaking out.

To spell it clearer. If other ethnic groups & such are allowed parade, then yes I agree gay people should be allowed. I disagree with political messages being flown at the parade however, in the case of gay people this would be in regards to marriage etc. I would just as easily disagree if vegans were part of the parade but were flying animal rights banners.

I do not agree with political messages being flown at what is meant to be a parade on irish culture & the irish diaspora around the world. I see the PC brigade have come in mocking me above. Pro can mean in favor of a position ie pro-gay.

bodice ripper · 06-02-2014 03:54PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's a fraternal organization.. they tend to have restrictions on who can be a member.

Then why do they have the franchise on celebrating our national holiday?

My name is URL · 06-02-2014 03:56PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

Then why do they have the franchise on celebrating our national holiday?

They don't. They're the ones who organise a single parade in a single city on a single day of the year.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2014 03:57PM

My name is URL wrote: »

They don't. They're the ones who organise a single parade in a single city on a single day of the year.

the fascists

bodice ripper · 06-02-2014 03:57PM

My name is URL wrote: »

They don't. They're the ones who organise a single parade in a single city on a single day of the year.

Well, they can of course do what they want, but not be surprised that little by little they lose their grip on the event.

My name is URL · 06-02-2014 04:03PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

Well, they can of course do what they want, but not be surprised that little by little they lose their grip on the event.

What do you mean by lose their grip on it? If it wasn't for them there'd be no parade in New York on St. Patrick's Day. Not just anyone can claim the streets of and close down huge parts of one of the world's busiest cities.

They don't want disparate groups showing up with political or social agendas and hijacking the purpose of the parade. What the hell is so terrible about that?

This is only an issue because de Blasio is making a political football out of it, and using it as part of his campaign for re-election.

floggg · 06-02-2014 04:04PM

SPS1 wrote: »

Reread my post before freaking out.

To spell it clearer. If other ethnic groups & such are allowed parade, then yes I agree gay people should be allowed. I disagree with political messages being flown at the parade however, in the case of gay people this would be in regards to marriage etc. I would just as easily disagree if vegans were part of the parade but were flying animal rights banners.

I do not agree with political messages being flown at what is meant to be a parade on irish culture & the irish diaspora around the world. I see the PC brigade have come in mocking me above. Pro can mean in favor of a position ie pro-gay.

My comments were partly in response to your comments and partly of a general nature.

I don't see it as freaking out though. I think it's very accurate.

I think the very fact that an LGBT group is seen as a political group is annoying - asking to be treated equally is not a political issue.

And that it's automatically assumed that the gays are at fault for ruining everybody's day asking to be let in.

If a group called proud gingers wanted to March there would be no issues. Nobody would say it's political. But the gays...

And again - pro-gay?

Do you mean somebody who promotes it like it's a new trend? Or just somebody who peoples they are entitled to equal dignity and respect?

That's no pro-gay. It's pro-equality. We don't want to promote ourselves to the detriment of anybody else. We just wanted to be treated like anybody else.

New York Mayor to boycott St Patricks Day Parade

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