golfball37 wrote: » Someone trying to relate a Political message at an event that is apolitical is by definition a trouble maker. Their sexuality is irrevelent. What you and your group is doing is what St Patricks day parades is about so I don't understand the offence.
Ash.J.Williams wrote: » what's the point in marching if you can't be identified
SPS1 wrote: » The purpose of St Patricks parades are to celebrate irish culture & the irish diasporia around the world. There is no need for pro-homosexual groups to be announcing their presence with gay pride styled banners anymore than pro-cannabis groups being allowed to march with banners, or any other group ad nausem.
dublinman1990 wrote: » Good call by the mayor on this one. Maybe Enda and his crew cohorts can instead follow it up with a move to Flushing Meadows for the parade.
“But as I understand this from the organisers of the New York St Patrick’s Day parade, they allow anybody to walk in the parade, but they don’t allow them to carry individual banners. So, it’s my intention to be there in New York.
FTA69 wrote: » padd b1975 wrote: » Can you really not see how a march calling for equality for gays would be hostile to a homophobic organisation? Really? A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one. I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community. Or they could follow your advice and maintain an aggressive attitude.:o Yep, thought you'd have no response to it alright. I guess he wasn't really about equality or diversity after all, sure he didn't invite the KKK after all. Expecting gay people to be tolerant of homophobic groups is as retarded as expecting blacks to be tolerant of racists. I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig. But that's just my opinion.
padd b1975 wrote: » Can you really not see how a march calling for equality for gays would be hostile to a homophobic organisation? Really? A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one. I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community. Or they could follow your advice and maintain an aggressive attitude.:o Yep, thought you'd have no response to it alright. I guess he wasn't really about equality or diversity after all, sure he didn't invite the KKK after all. Expecting gay people to be tolerant of homophobic groups is as retarded as expecting blacks to be tolerant of racists. I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig. But that's just my opinion.
Can you really not see how a march calling for equality for gays would be hostile to a homophobic organisation? Really?
Yep, thought you'd have no response to it alright. I guess he wasn't really about equality or diversity after all, sure he didn't invite the KKK after all. Expecting gay people to be tolerant of homophobic groups is as retarded as expecting blacks to be tolerant of racists.
floggg wrote: » Pro-homosexual groups? What the hell is that? Professional gays?
Ash.J.Williams wrote: » is it pensionable?
padd b1975 wrote: » A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one. A group that campaigns for the state to refuse to extend the same rights to gays as other citizens is a homophobic group. Rory O'Neill was spot on in his recent assertions at the Abbey Theatre. I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community. I'm sure gay people and groups are actively willing and able to debate why they should have equal rights to civil marriage. In fact they do it on a regular basis and always have done. I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig. The commonality lies with the fact that they are both struggles for acceptance and equality in society and they are both struggles against discrimination based on who and what you are.
A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one.
I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community.
I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig.
bodice ripper wrote: » Not if you are a supporter of Traditional Pensions
FTA69 wrote: » So how come we can have refugee and immigrant groups taking part in parades in Ireland then? Should they be given the boot as well?
padd b1975 wrote: » FTA69 wrote: » padd b1975 wrote: » A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one. I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community. Or they could follow your advice and maintain an aggressive attitude.:o I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig. But that's just my opinion. If you can't see the commonality of MLK's cause and that of equality for LGBT people than you understand neither MLK's message or the meaning if the term equality. However, perhaps to save some time, you should look up the views of Coretta Scott King, MLK's wife who has confirmed the commonality of the cause. Or Bayard Rustin, the principal organiser of the million man march, an openly and proud gay man. Though evidently facts aren't all that important to you.
FTA69 wrote: » padd b1975 wrote: » A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one. I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community. Or they could follow your advice and maintain an aggressive attitude.:o I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig. But that's just my opinion. If you can't see the commonality of MLK's cause and that of equality for LGBT people than you understand neither MLK's message or the meaning if the term equality. However, perhaps to save some time, you should look up the views of Coretta Scott King, MLK's wife who has confirmed the commonality of the cause. Or Bayard Rustin, the principal organiser of the million man march, an openly and proud gay man. Though evidently facts aren't all that important to you.
padd b1975 wrote: » A bit free and easy with the use of the word homophobic, you might want to have a chat with RTE's legal time for some clarification on that one. I think it would be a hell of a gesture to invite some members of Iona to a Pride event and for them to actually engage with members of the gay community. Or they could follow your advice and maintain an aggressive attitude.:o I fail to see the comparison between MLK's struggle for civil rights and people being unable to march in a tacky parade behind a guy in a cotton wool wig. But that's just my opinion.
SPS1 wrote: » Are these groups taking part in the parade voicing their different culture through banners/native dance etc? If yes, then potentially gay people should be allowed celebrate. Although it would more than likely be with a political message, in which case I disagree that any political messages should be allowed at a festival that is aimed at celebrating irish culture.
FTA69 wrote: » People would want to take a hard look at the AOH and their philosophy before pretending there is nothing exclusionary about them.
TO BE A MEMBER YOU MUST BE A PRACTICING CATHOLIC AND BE OF IRISH HERITAGE BY BIRTH OR DESCENT.
Donkey Oaty wrote: » Or even a very brief look: Via the Ancient Order of Hibernians website, membership section.
floggg wrote: » Like what, we exist? Since when the **** that become a political message. This type of homophobia pisses me off the most. The type that masquerades as accepting - but only as long as we remain invisible and in the background. The type that views gay people just wanting to be acknowledged as some sort of political message. The type that sees gay people as the issue when we object to discrimination or equality. They aren't being barred because they want to have a marriage equality float. They are being barred because the want to walk down the street and just be acknowledged as forming part of the Irish and Irish American community. Unfortunately some people don't want us as part of their community.
My name is URL wrote: » It's a fraternal organization.. they tend to have restrictions on who can be a member.
bodice ripper wrote: » Then why do they have the franchise on celebrating our national holiday?
My name is URL wrote: » They don't. They're the ones who organise a single parade in a single city on a single day of the year.
bodice ripper wrote: » Well, they can of course do what they want, but not be surprised that little by little they lose their grip on the event.
SPS1 wrote: » Reread my post before freaking out. To spell it clearer. If other ethnic groups & such are allowed parade, then yes I agree gay people should be allowed. I disagree with political messages being flown at the parade however, in the case of gay people this would be in regards to marriage etc. I would just as easily disagree if vegans were part of the parade but were flying animal rights banners. I do not agree with political messages being flown at what is meant to be a parade on irish culture & the irish diaspora around the world. I see the PC brigade have come in mocking me above. Pro can mean in favor of a position ie pro-gay.
