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Iona vs Panti

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  • #1202
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Sarky wrote: »
    Breda O'Brien says it wasn't about money. The memo shows that the Ionanists refused every option that didn't involve them taking money.

    This just keeps getting better.

    Ah, but it was the principal of the thing Sarky. Right to reply or donating the money to charity just wouldn't have shown so many people what the principal of their position is..........and aren't we glad they stuck to their principals now?! Worth 85K

    Also, someone seems to have done away with the Iona Inst. fb page (did they have one?) and there's a newly formed one since last night....https://www.facebook.com/pages/Iona-Institute/357391497733023?fref=ts


  • #1203
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Obliq wrote: »
    here's a newly formed one since last night....https://www.facebook.com/pages/Iona-Institute/357391497733023?fref=ts

    yeah, I don't think its legit :pac:

    Posted few hours ago
    Actually we changed our minds it's fine to be gay


  • #1204
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Sarky wrote: »
    Breda O'Brien says it wasn't about money. The memo shows that the Ionanists refused every option that didn't involve them taking money.

    This just keeps getting better.

    Memo also says:
    "that such a defence is unlikely to succeed before a jury."

    Now why do you think that is?


  • #1205
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Not a good day to be an Ionanist. All this Panti stuff, then it turns out they were lying about it not being about the money, and then it turns out their choice for president Gay Mitchell abstained from the European Parliament vote on their homophobia report. Some Irish IP is working furiously to take down any mention of controversy from the Iona Institute's Wiki page (Which is futile, of course, and every attempt recorded).

    I have a big smile on my face, and it won't go away.


  • #1206
    vitani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Memo also says:
    "that such a defence is unlikely to succeed before a jury."

    Now why do you think that is?

    Because they're trying to cover their asses after making a stupid decision.


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  • #1207
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Sarky wrote: »
    I have a big smile on my face, and it won't go away.

    I'm feeling rather gay myself too.


  • #1208
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Good to see you are challengeing the gay "homophobe" Paddy Manning on the merits of his argument.


    • extreme right wing gay
    • This one should join Iona
    • Uncle Tom Gay
    • a cocker spaniel
    • babble on and on
    • nobody would want to marry him


  • #1209
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Don't forget I said he was a cockwaffle after reading some of his blog.


  • #1210
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Good to see you are challengeing the gay "homophobe" Paddy Manning on the merits of his argument.


    • extreme right wing gay
    • This one should join Iona
    • Uncle Tom Gay
    • a cocker spaniel
    • babble on and on
    • nobody would want to marry him

    Who is "you"?


  • #1211
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Memo also says:
    "that such a defence is unlikely to succeed before a jury."

    Now why do you think that is?

    Without seeing the 'legal advice', impossible to say.
    Hopefully somebody with time and money will FOI it.


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  • #1212
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Memo also says:
    "that such a defence is unlikely to succeed before a jury."

    Now why do you think that is?

    • bad legal advice
    • no common agreement on what homophobia is
    • lots of people are unfamilar with Iona + Waters writings/press releases
    • homophobia is pervasive throughout Irish society to some degree
    Just some possibilities off the top of my head

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1213
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    vitani wrote: »
    Because they're trying to cover their asses after making a stupid decision.

    Doesn't make any sense. They went with this so-called "stupid decision" on the basis that John Waters and Iona would likely win their defamation case in the opinion of the legal experts at RTE. This means that RTE expected Waters and Iona to be able to prove in court that they weren't homopobhic.


  • #1214
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,047 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The vincent brown debate was a mindfu*k....The guy from Iona was in support of SSM and the wtf was the gay guy on about!

    I'm not sure what to make of his "i was drunk, i hit on a straight guy, he said no, i persisted"....i'd love to know what "persisted" consisted of!


  • #1215
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    lazygal wrote: »
    Who is "you"?
    You as in ye. The people making those comments.


  • #1216
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You as in ye. The people making those comments.

    Which people


  • #1217
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    lazygal wrote: »
    Which people
    Read back on the last few pages to find out.


  • #1218
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Read back on the last few pages to find out.

    I have, its unclear.
    To avoid any misinterpretation of who you are referring to, can you outline which people?

    I feel its important myself and others are clear on which people you are referencing.


  • #1219
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Cabaal wrote: »
    I have, its unclear.
    To avoid any misinterpretation of who you are referring to, can you outline which people?
    If you are that curious, copy and past the statements into "search this thread". Alternatively, read back a few pages.


  • #1220
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You as in ye. The people making those comments.

    I called him Uncle Tom Gay.

    I stand by that. For a gay person who admits to having been physically assaulted for being gay to claim there is no problem in Ireland with homophobic attacks smacks of Uncle Tomism.

    And he did babble - as you would know if you watched the 'debate' - tell me, is TV3's signal strong in Sweden or is this a case of you commenting once again on something you didn't actually see?

    Did you see the debate on TV3 last night BB?


  • #1221
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    I'm speculating that RTE would have an insurance policy that financially shield them against libel actions?

    I wonder though, if it's the insurer or RTE that had the final say on settling?

    I know insurance companies often pay out on personal injury claims that some policy holders would definitely go to court to defend.


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  • #1222
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    I stand by my 'cockwaffle' remark on the basis that his blog is an nightmare conglomeration of lunacy, bitterness and hysteria.


  • #1223
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Sarky wrote: »
    Some Irish IP is working furiously to take down any mention of controversy from the Iona Institute's Wiki page (Which is futile, of course, and every attempt recorded).

    So many recent edits

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iona_Institute&action=history


  • #1224
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I'm speculating that RTE would have an insurance policy that financially shield them against libel actions?

    I wonder though, if it's the insurer or RTE that had the final say on settling?

    I know insurance companies often pay out on personal injury claims that some policy holders would definitely go to court to defend.
    RTE apparently decided for themselves.


    "We" as in RTE.


    "we decided that a settlement was the most prudent course of action."


  • #1225
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Sarky wrote: »
    I stand by my 'cockwaffle' remark on the basis that his blog is an nightmare conglomeration of lunacy, bitterness and hysteria.
    Yeah, but why did RTE's legal department and outside experts advise that Waters and Iona would likely be able to prove themselves not homopobes?


  • #1226
    Beruthiel
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Sarky wrote: »
    I have a big smile on my face, and it won't go away.

    If this buries them, it will be worth the 85k.


  • #1227
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Yeah, but why did RTE's legal department and outside experts advise that Waters and Iona would likely be able to prove themselves not homopobes?

    You got a link for that? Haven't seen anywhere online suggest such a thing happened.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1228
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You as in ye. The people making those comments.

    I called him an extreme right winger

    Having read his blog and his twitter where he calls women who've had abortions murderesses I stand over that comment.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1229
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    RTE apparently decided for themselves.


    "We" as in RTE.


    "we decided that a settlement was the most prudent course of action."

    I think someone needs to put in an FOI request (or several).


  • #1230
    maximoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭maximoose


    SW wrote: »
    You got a link for that? Haven't seen anywhere online suggest such a thing happened.

    I presume he means this line in the memo
    As a dual-funded public body, RTÉ should not knowingly progress to defend an action when it is advised, internally and externally, that such a defence is unlikely to succeed before a jury.


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  • #1231
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I think someone needs to put in an FOI request (or several).

    I doubt you would get legal advice under foi

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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