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Iona vs Panti

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Vincent Browne is going to be having a chat about all this tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    david75 wrote: »
    Vincent Browne is going to be having a chat about all this tonight.

    Yep

    With an extreme right wing gay against marriage equality

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


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    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Yep

    With an extreme right wing gay against marriage equality

    The phrase 'hoisted by one's petard' comes to mind to be honest. I can't see Browne letting and wild statements go unchallenged.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    This one should join Iona.
    Ah, but young Quinn wasn't always against free speech. Here he is from but a few short years ago, complaining loudly about liberals shutting down free-speech:

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/mystery-surrounds-reform-of-our-laws-on-blasphemy-26532732.html
    Quinn wrote:
    [...] "There are all manners of speech that the left would now like to see banned as 'hate-speech'. Consider, for example, what happened to Kevin Myers last year when he wrote a very hard-hitting and polemical piece about aid to Africa. Various immigrant support groups tried to have him charged with incitement to hatred. No charges were ever laid against him, but the fact that they even tried says it all. The National Union of Journalists never came out in support of him, nor were petitions signed on his behalf by fellow journalists. No one was asking his fellow journalists to agree with what he wrote, but hadn't they a duty to protest at the attempt to have him charged with incitement to hatred? So much for Voltaire's oft-quoted dictum, 'I hate what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'. In Canada, there is now in place a system of 'human rights' commissions that actively hunt down anyone guilty of un-PC utterances. A pastor was fined and silenced for condemning the gay rights agenda as "wicked". His freedom of speech has been completely set aside."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    TV3 had best be careful here! They'll likely be threatened with legal action too before the hour is out. Hopefully they will show more integrity than RTE if that's the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Amazing they are showing most of Panti

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    There is one thing Panti got very wrong in his speech; That members of Iona present as 'nice, respectable people' who you would be happy leaving your children with. I wouldn't leave my son anywhere near them. If Breda O'Brien came to work at his school as a teacher I would change schools.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Colm o Gorman just retweeted me. Yusssss


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    I hate Uncle Tom Gay on VB - yes. I am a homosexual homophobe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭diddlybit


    I'm finding it very difficult to listen to Paddy Manning and hiis 'less of the victim' schtick.

    Stiff drink may be in order


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    diddlybit wrote: »
    I'm finding it very difficult to listen to ... his 'less of the victim' schtick.

    I say he can schtick it! :pac:

    Join you to that drink, cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭diddlybit


    He's gettting fairly flustered now. Vincent Browne is (dare I say it) doing a good job tonight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Was that it?

    Paddy Manning is just allowed to babble on and on...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭diddlybit


    Sadly enough. At least they played Panti's speech, it may counteract the manic ranting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Listening to Paddy Manning was like what I imagine listening to a cocker spaniel speak would be like.

    He was so excitable and babbly it was heard to follow him. Perhaps intentional.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    I can see Paddy Manning's logic. Right now the reason he's not married is because he is gay and it is illegal. Once it is legal the reason will be just that nobody would want to marry him. :p


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Jernal wrote: »

    Anecdotes, are rubbish for establishing a sequence of successive approximations to the truth.

    True, yet some posters here will accept anecdotal comments made by posters here outright as more or less fact, while dismissing similar comments they don't favor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Anyone have a link to the VB episode??


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Is it just me or is Mary Kenny in that Stephen Fry thread obstrusely suggesting that it's Panti et al who are the bullying ones?
    People are being bullied into conformity of thought. That is not what should occur in a free society.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    Best boy, Senator.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    http://www.thejournal.ie/rte-iona-charity-donation-1300388-Feb2014/
    RTÉ’s head of television explains Iona payout decision to staff
    Glen Killane said that the broadcaster has not “engaged in censorship, but has rather fallen foul of Ireland’s defamation laws”.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Cabaal wrote: »

    Their refusal to follow up on this story in any substantial way gives a lie to anything they say really. They have behaved appalingly as a national broadcaster here.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Vincent Browne debate is now up on 3 player http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/75763/1/Tonight-with-Vincent-Browne


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭brimal


    Here is the full memo that was leaked and confirmed genuine:
    Colleagues,

    Over the last week a number of people have approached me questioning RTÉ’s apology to John Waters and members of the Iona Institute following the receipt of six legal complaints and you will, no doubt, have seen the ongoing debate on this subject.

    I want to reassure you that RTÉ explored every option available to it, including right of reply. Legal advice was sought and all avenues were explored, including an offer to make a donation to a neutral charity.

    However, based on the facts of what was broadcast, and having regard for broadcasting compliance issues, the seriousness of the legal complaints, and the decision by the complainants not to accept RTÉ’s proposed remedies, we decided that a settlement was the most prudent course of action. Senior counsel was consulted and confirmed that the legal position was far from clear.

    As a dual-funded public body, RTÉ should not knowingly progress to defend an action when it is advised, internally and externally, that such a defence is unlikely to succeed before a jury.

    RTÉ has not engaged in censorship, but has rather fallen foul of Ireland’s defamation laws. The topic reopened over the weekend and RTÉ will continue to cover this and related issues, as evidenced by last week’s Late Debate, coverage of the protest in Dublin city centre on Sunday, today’s item on Today with Sean O’Rourke on RTÉ Radio 1 and last weekend’s debate on the subject on The Saturday Night Show.

    Glen Killane
    MDTV

    http://www.tuppenceworth.ie/blog/2014/02/05/purported-rte-internal-memo-to-unhappy-staff-re-pantigate/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Is it just me or is Mary Kenny in that Stephen Fry thread obstrusely suggesting that it's Panti et al who are the bullying ones?
    what thread?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    what thread?

    Ha, on Stephen Fry's twitter that you posted yourself :D Mary Kenny may have commented later last night though...but she's totally having a go there :(


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Breda O'Brien says it wasn't about money. The memo shows that the Ionanists refused every option that didn't involve them taking money.

    This just keeps getting better.


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