A boat full of carbs

AstraMonti wrote: »

We are not far away on the results, and if you didn't have the junk over christmas you might have been "better". Only time will tell!

Yesterday was in the gym again, but I wasn't feeling great. Probably because I had a bag of crisps before .. (I know I know.. I didn't even like eating them!). It was tough anyway. The worst part was the band pull. We wore an elastic band and the trainer was holding against it while we were trying to run across the room. Was gasping for air by the end of it, had to sit down for few mins to clear my head.

Cheers, what ratios do you look for from the test? HDL/Cholesterol ratio and Triglyceride/HDL ratio seem to be the important ones? Or just lower the triglycerides and higher the HDLs? Will be getting a list of all the results of everything this week, any good links for interpreting bloods? Thanks

AstraMonti wrote: »

Debunking The Milk Myth: Why Milk Is Bad For You And Your Bones

Thanks for the link.

Apparently "Vanilla ice cream [in the US] is made from the anal glands of a beaver". Who knew?

I now feel vindicated in owning an ice cream machine. And not living in the US.

ford2600 wrote: »

I watched cerealklliersmovie last night.

It's a low budget movie by Donal O'Neill, co founder of the GPA(GAA players union) but more importantly a son to a man with heart disease and nephew of a man who suffered diabetes despite being lean elite athelets who never gained weight and had "healthy" diets. O'Neill embarks on a high fat diet over 28 days.

Tim Noakes features in movie.

Interesting his total cholesterol and LDL went up on diet, but on a further test (presumably Apo B but not stated) his LDL particle size was large and Noakes thought he had the perfect blood profile.

Interestingly for OP and others he only did 8 mins of extreme training, no slow endurance training. Sprints, chin ups and heavy lifts etc.

He got stronger and set pb's at 41.

He started lean 13% or so, but this went down .7% and his waist etc reduced.

Great movie, I helped get it started on Kickstarter. Its going down really well so far!

ford2600 wrote: »

I watched cerealklliersmovie last night.

It's a low budget movie by Donal O'Neill, co founder of the GPA(GAA players union) but more importantly a son to a man with heart disease and nephew of a man who suffered diabetes despite being lean elite athelets who never gained weight and had "healthy" diets. O'Neill embarks on a high fat diet over 28 days.

Tim Noakes features in movie.

Interesting his total cholesterol and LDL went up on diet, but on a further test (presumably Apo B but not stated) his LDL particle size was large and Noakes thought he had the perfect blood profile.

Interestingly for OP and others he only did 8 mins of extreme training, no slow endurance training. Sprints, chin ups and heavy lifts etc.

He got stronger and set pb's at 41.

He started lean 13% or so, but this went down .7% and his waist etc reduced.

Cereal Killers is an awesome film! Well worth the fiver to download.

If anyone is thinking of going on an LCHF diet they should definitely watch it
- the trailer is here http://www.cerealkillersmovie.com/

Tonight on BBC2 a program you gentleman may be interested in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03t8r4h

colm_gti wrote: »

Raised blood sugar and glucose intolerance on lchf is pretty interesting!

But was he LCHF? I think he was closer to No Carb and maybe that is the issue. All the LCHF research indicates the opposite usually occurs.

Nonetheless I found the whole thing an absolute ballscrushing hammerblow!

Agreed with some bits. Disagreed with other bits. And like the others explained they were testing two extremes that noone could actually follow for very long. And my biases are based on my own experiences (obviously).

I was surprised by the cognitive test. I predicted high fat would do better but then it wasn't a very controlled test. My concentration levels are like never before (sample of 1). I think the Swedish memory champion is LCHF (sample of 1).

Not surprised by the hill climb. I think glucose is necessary during shorter duration exercise. How much of that is for the muscles and how much is for the brain I think needs to be teased out. I'd also be curious about the effect of training low carb but racing high carb, it's the approach I am adopting. Even Peter Attia (who is in almost constant ketosis) experiments with sugar during endurance events.

Not surprised by the fasting glucose tolerance test. It's common knowledge that it happens with LCHF. Some would argue it's better to take more readings at hour intervals or do the Ha1c test for a long range blood sugar estimate. To cheat that particular glucose test people just increase their carb intake in the week leading up to it. I do notice a bigger hit from sweet foods, to the point where regular chocolate is almost unpleasantly sweet now. But I don't crave sugar like before and almost never need a pick me up during the day. So am I better or worse of with higher but way fewer blood sugar spikes?

I'd agree with the processed food part. I eat almost none now, though I didn't eat much before. I did eat a lot of brown bread, which I would now consider a processed food. Maybe that should have been obvious. Most of the food we buy should probably only have 1 ingredient. If you only bought solely from the fruit & veg, fish & meat sections of the supermarket, you'd probably never need to ever consider your diet.

I liked the point about it being hard to eat plain sugar. As I've said before on here, from a health point of view you'd probably be better just spooning plain old siucra sugar into your gob than taking gels and sports drinks. They are formulated to make you want to drink more and backed up by dubious "sciency" advertising, worrying you that death is imminent after a yellowy p!ss.

As for the 50:50 sugar/fat hypothesis. I remember Lustig saying something in one of his early presentations about the Fat and Sugar combination. In a later presentations he says it's only sugar. And the twins missed a few examples of highly addictive low fat sugary foods. Soft drinks and fruit juices for instance. Most overweight kids crave these. When McDonald's super-sized, they super sized the high GI carbohydrate portion of the meal because they knew ultimately the customer would be back for more. Same with the free soda refills they do over there. I suppose you could argue that the french fries are an example of the lethal fat and carb combination. Though they're not at the 50:50 ratio.

Anyway I'm not so down on sugar these day, everyone knows you shouldn't eat a lot of it. After many months of self testing I'm with William Davis that wheat is the modern day scourge. That doughnut was mostly wheat! I was 3ish stone heavier in my mid twenties and looking back it was mostly due to an increase in wheat in the form of breads and pasta. It took from Feb to September of last year to convince myself that wheat may not be healthy for me, given the good press it gets.

Balance is important but what the balance is is hard to figure out. I cannot function on the standard food pyramid. I have tested it for 33 odd years and things got progressively worse. And in case anyone thinks I ever said the opposite, I would not argue that people do thrive on very high carb diets. I find that eating nutrient dense food satisfies my hunger better and for longer .....fish, red meat, fatty cuts, liver, healthy oils, butter, eggs, nuts and good quality low GI vegetables with starchy stuff in moderation. That choice of foods leads me into the higher protein and fat range of foods that aren't fortified artificially with vitamins.

And to finish (anyone still reading?), I didn't like the blanket statement at the end that exercise is good for you. Exercise is good for you in the correct dose. And like micro nutrient content of your diet it varies from individual to individual.

Food Nazi Signing off.