Gardai corruption or have we become a nation of cynics?

cletus van damme · 24-01-2014 11:45AM

no matter whether the whistleblower is right or wrong. Personally I think there is too much there for it to be horse****.

It beggars belief that the top policeman can treat the dail with such contempt.
There is no way that would have happening in the House of Commons.

The government should sack callinan for his behaviour alone.

golfball37 · 24-01-2014 11:52AM

cletus van damme wrote: »

no matter whether the whistleblower is right or wrong. Personally I think there is too much there for it to be horse****.

It beggars belief that the top policeman can treat the dail with such contempt.
There is no way that would have happening in the House of Commons.

The government should sack callinan for his behaviour alone.

And who then would blow the whistle for FG when Mick Wallace or Clare Daly commits an offence. Not going to happen. Callinan is in their pocket and nothing more than a political pawn at this stage.

adrag · 24-01-2014 11:54AM

cletus van damme wrote: »

no matter whether the whistleblower is right or wrong. Personally I think there is too much there for it to be horse****.

It beggars belief that the top policeman can treat the dail with such contempt.
There is no way that would have happening in the House of Commons.

The government should sack callinan for his behaviour alone.

Arrogant bastard is wat that commissioner is, its a trait you MUST have in the special branch which he was

black & white · 24-01-2014 11:59AM

I'd be interested to see what Callinans reaction would be if a suspect in his interrogation room was as evasive with answers as he was yesterday.

adrag · 24-01-2014 12:10PM

Commissioner thinks the whistleblower coming forward is disgusting, The same way crime gangs dont like people coming forward, similarities? Its all about not letting the truth come out ; should rename our police force Omerta Siochana

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 12:13PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

This story reeks of corruption. Yet there seems to be no punishment/retraining for the sergeant that caused the whole debacle. And the blanket "we don't discuss internal matters" puts the lie on Alan Shatter's 'full transparency' promise. After Donegal, you would think that corruption and arrogance would have been rooted out. Let's see if our brave reporters ask either Shatter or the AG to elucidate. But please everyone ....... no breath holding

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sacked-garda-gets-job-back-after-ag-calls-for-end-to-probe-29801511.html

Would love to know the name of the sergeant who recommended that the publican should not be prosecuted! This case is 'disgusting' -
to quote the Commissioner!!!!!

adrag · 24-01-2014 12:14PM

black & white wrote: »

I'd be interested to see what Callinans reaction would be if a suspect in his interrogation room was as evasive with answers as he was yesterday.

They would end up. Like your username

adrag · 24-01-2014 12:22PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

no matter whether the whistleblower is right or wrong. Personally I think there is too much there for it to be horse****.

It beggars belief that the top policeman can treat the dail with such contempt.
There is no way that would have happening in the House of Commons.

The government should sack callinan for his behaviour alone.

Arrogant bastard is wat that commissioner is, its a trait you MUST have to be in special branch

adrag · 24-01-2014 12:22PM

TheMza wrote: »

Filth

Who ?

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 12:22PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

The man won a Supreme Court appeal and will begin "re-training" from today.
What is your problem OP?

Why was he originally dismissed??????!!!!!!!!!!

That whole case really stinks!!!!!

What is the name of the sergeant who originally suggested that the publican should not be prosecuted?

This garda was doing his duty and paid a high price for his integrity. It looks like he was stitched up.
It seems old ways die hard in some sections of the Gardaí!!

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 12:29PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

You seem to have a problem understanding simple sentences.
You should read the full article or get someone to read it for you.
Below is an extract. The garda is being retrained. The sergeant (who tried to wipe the charge) is not AFAIK.

However, a sergeant later wrote to a garda inspector complaining Gda Kelly had not answered certain questions and recommended no prosecution.

THAT sergeant should be named and shamed. But, unfortunately, it is far more likely that he has been promoted!!

Boombastic · 24-01-2014 12:34PM

Give the gardai a break, you'd make mistakes too if your only food was cornflakes once a week

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 12:36PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

You can only make assumptions with the info at hand. What is wrong with that? A sergeant went over the head of one of his underlings and got a publican off a charge. By so doing he also dropped the poor garda in the merde. If that doesn't deserve looking into, then there will be a whiff of corruption in higher places.
As regards having 'no clue whatsoever'? I can only comment on the fact that the AG decided not to go ahead and the garda was reinstated. If you have some info that has not come to light ...... please share.

It is interesting reading about this case after the Commissioner's 'disgusting'
appearance in front of the PAC yesterday!

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 12:38PM

Frank Black wrote: »

or not make any.

You'll most likly be completely wrong.
Look, I'll show you

Assumption based on no evidence.

Assumption based on no evidence.

.

I'm not the one making assumptions now am I.

For example, based on your posts, I could make all kinds of assumptions about your intellect.
It would be wrong to do so however, as I have no hard evidence on how intelligent, or indeed stupid, you actually are.

Why are you so defensive? You would not be a garda by any chance?

adrag · 24-01-2014 12:49PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Give the gardai a break, you'd make mistakes too if your only food was cornflakes once a week

I think they might have bread aswell but don't quote me on that

TheMza · 24-01-2014 12:49PM

adrag wrote: »

Who ?

Five-O

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 12:59PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Incidentally, that was not my post. But if a garda sees something amiss he/she should stand up and be counted. Otherwise they are being complicit. However, whistleblowers as far back as Serpico usually get the bum's rush and are hounded out of the force. If this statement is wrong, let me know.

And we now know what happens to whistleblowers in the gardaí. The still serving
member of the force who wants to appear before the PAC has been publicly
threatened by the Commissioner. He has stated that, if he had it over again, he
would not report the wrongdoings of which he was aware. His life, and that of his
family, has been destroyed.

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 01:09PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The Supreme Court ruled a Garda Board of Inquiry failed to give reasons for recommending Gda Kelly's dismissal and directed the board to give him those reasons before his fresh appeal.

Neither the Board of Inquiry nor a Garda Appeals Board had explained their respective decisions in favour of dismissal "in even the most rudimentary way", Mr Justice O'Donnell said, in a judgment with which Chief Justice Susan Denham and Mr Justice Frank Clarke agreed.

QUESTIONS

The judge said the "remarkable" fact was Gda Kelly was dismissed after the Appeals Board applied some unknown test to facts which remain unclear.

Not only did Gda Kelly not know what view the Board of Inquiry took of the facts, he did not know what the Appeals Board thought the inquiry had decided concerning the facts.
IRISH INDEPENDENT

Apparently, opaqueness is the new transparency or else the Garda Appeals Board are an incompetent shower

GUBU! Unfortunately, it is not unprecedented!!

adrag · 24-01-2014 01:10PM

TheMza wrote: »

Five-O

Only buzzing with ya

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 01:13PM

joe swanson wrote: »

Yay. A garda bashing thread so we can all make sweeping generalised comments with nothing to back them up.

That'll learn them for givin me that ticket. Grrrrrrrr

This was more a case of: 'Do you want a pint or a transfer, Guard?'

Plus ça change.....................................................................................

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 01:26PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Well worth a listen. Really makes you wonder
Speaking-out against widespread penalty point terminations made his career untenable, pitched him against the Garda Commissioner, the Minister for Justice, former colleagues and one-time friends. http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/documentary-podcast-garda-limped-whistleblower-john-wilson.html

Heard that documentary on Sunday. It was very enlightening.....and sad.

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 01:42PM

golfball37 wrote: »

The same man had penalty points quashed when speeding in his prvate vehicle shur. The journalist who questioned him on it was fired by the Irish Independent. banana republic.

Callinan is nothing but a corrupt political pawn who is harming the gardaí, most of whom who are decent honourable people.

Gemma O'Doherty was the journalist who was sacked. Not a word about it in the Irish media. Vincent Browne, that campaigner against injustice, has not mentioned it once.
It was reported in The Guardian.

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 01:51PM

Kippure wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/sep/17/irish-independent-ireland

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/oct/03/irish-independent-ireland

Isn't it amazing that we have heard nothing about this in the Irish media?!

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 02:10PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's just like Edward Snowden being criticized for not going up the internal chain of command instead of going to the papers.

Roughly translated in both cases: "You should have voiced your concerns in such as way as to make it easy for us to ignore you!!!"

They did voice their concerns internally. Assistant Commissioner O'Mahoney
had a complaint from April 2012 until December 2012!!! Only acted on it when
whistleblower asked for an interview with the Taoiseach, which was refused.
A request to meet the Minister of Justice was also turned down. The Transport Minister, Leo Varadkar, was the only person who granted them an interview.

Perhaps if the whistleblowers' concerns were dealt with appropriately by the
GS the poor Commissioner would not have had to appear before the PAC.

bella_doyle · 24-01-2014 02:12PM

black & white wrote: »

I'd be interested to see what Callinans reaction would be if a suspect in his interrogation room was as evasive with answers as he was yesterday.

its not against the law to say nothing in a garda interview room , its wise to do so

wait til court to tell your story

bella_doyle · 24-01-2014 02:14PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Gemma O'Doherty was the journalist who was sacked. Not a word about it in the Irish media. Vincent Browne, that campaigner against injustice, has not mentioned it once.
It was reported in The Guardian.

the media are incredibly soft on the police force in this country

paul Williams is a full time shill for AGS , he owes his entire career to leaks

adrag · 24-01-2014 02:23PM

bella_doyle wrote: »

the media are incredibly soft on the police force in this country

paul Williams is a full time shill for AGS , he owes his entire career to leaks

Paul Williams is a mouthpiece for the ags, never investgates ags and the wrong doing they get up to on a daily basis

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 04:37PM

bad_breath wrote: »

callinan sent out a strong message today

ignore institutional wrongdoing or if your conscience is annoying you , keep it inhouse

Disturbingly reminiscent of what happened in the RCC. Same
mindset.

Kippure · 24-01-2014 04:49PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that we have heard nothing about this in the Irish media?!

There are no Irish media in Ireland.

Maybe a Important story about a cat up a tree that takes up 40 minutes of the six one news.

There are no Hard hitting, cut to the bone journalists.

All afraid and chicken sh#t incase they lose there jobs.

brooke 2 · 24-01-2014 04:58PM

Kippure wrote: »

There is no Irish media in Ireland. Maybe a Important story about a cat up a tree that takes up 40 minutes of the six one news.

There are no Hard hitting, cut to the bone journalists. All afraid and chicken sh#t incase they loose there jobs.

After what we saw at the PAC yesterday, small blame to them for
being afraid!!!!

Gardai corruption or have we become a nation of cynics?

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