Gardai corruption or have we become a nation of cynics?

adrag · 19-01-2014 02:38PM

Corruption in the irish police is like all police forces rampant, , it's the way it has to be, get over it . Sometimes they have to tell lies, always cover for each other and most people would do the same in their situation.

rolliepoley · 19-01-2014 02:51PM

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I spy with my little private eye something beginning with G

snubbleste · 19-01-2014 02:57PM

Well worth a listen. Really makes you wonder
Speaking-out against widespread penalty point terminations made his career untenable, pitched him against the Garda Commissioner, the Minister for Justice, former colleagues and one-time friends. http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/documentary-podcast-garda-limped-whistleblower-john-wilson.html

adrag · 21-01-2014 12:36AM

Gardai have an omerta exactly like the Mafia

WilyCoyote · 21-01-2014 06:19PM

adrag wrote: »

Gardai have an omerta exactly like the Mafia

Until one brave garda decided to stand up and expose the endemic corruption that pervades this branch of the Civil Service. Consequently, he was backballed, threatened, put under emotional pressure by the keepers of the peace and eventually had to leave his job. One would have thought that after all these insider crimes over the past decade were exposed that the Gardai would put their hands up, publicly apologise, ask forgiveness and start a new regimen of fairness and best working practice instead of the criminality and cute hoordom that goes to the top of this discredited outfit.

But not a bit of it.

The top man was also a Garda one day, so he understands the way things work in the system. Could one of our TV reporters interview him and ask what the hell is going on? After all, he is supposed to serve the people, be impartial and honorable. Not hide behind a veil of PR.

This link is what propelled the solids into the fan. For anyone that believes that there are just a few rotten apples in the force, the following will make painful listening.

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/documentary-podcast-garda-limped-whistleblower-john-wilson.html

Kippure · 21-01-2014 06:20PM

There is no thread for this..

Whistle-blowers within the Gardaí and what happens to them.

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/74969/1/Tonight+with+Vincent+Browne

But who are these people in Ireland who are Untouchable in Ireland By the Gardai.

Mick Clifford, John Devitt and John Wilson were unable/unwilling to name these people.

Who are these People that they would not name?

old hippy · 21-01-2014 06:29PM

adrag wrote: »

Corruption in the irish police is like all police forces rampant, , it's the way it has to be, get over it . Sometimes they have to tell lies, always cover for each other and most people would do the same in their situation.

The Police have to be accountable for their actions. They serve us and should not be operating above the law.

They and those that indulge such corruption need to be brought to justice.

adrag · 21-01-2014 07:21PM

Your right but thats in an ideal world, they are like the church ie circle the wagons when complaint is made about them

fork_handle · 21-01-2014 07:26PM

adrag wrote: »

Corruption in the irish police is like all police forces rampant, , it's the way it has to be, get over it . Sometimes they have to tell lies, always cover for each other and most people would do the same in their situation.

individual members of AGS are in the main great people but the org as an entity is corrupt and either for a peacefull life or hopes of personal advancement , one must ignore its corruption

fork_handle · 21-01-2014 07:27PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Until one brave garda decided to stand up and expose the endemic corruption that pervades this branch of the Civil Service. Consequently, he was backballed, threatened, put under emotional pressure by the keepers of the peace and eventually had to leave his job. One would have thought that after all these insider crimes over the past decade were exposed that the Gardai would put their hands up, publicly apologise, ask forgiveness and start a new regimen of fairness and best working practice instead of the criminality and cute hoordom that goes to the top of this discredited outfit.

But not a bit of it.

The top man was also a Garda one day, so he understands the way things work in the system. Could one of our TV reporters interview him and ask what the hell is going on? After all, he is supposed to serve the people, be impartial and honorable. Not hide behind a veil of PR.

This link is what propelled the solids into the fan. For anyone that believes that there are just a few rotten apples in the force, the following will make painful listening.

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/documentary-podcast-garda-limped-whistleblower-john-wilson.html

the guards are there to uphold the law , they are not there to " serve the people "

adrag · 21-01-2014 07:27PM

Also if you have the audacity to question or challenge them, youll see what will happen to you and yours.

fork_handle · 21-01-2014 07:28PM

adrag wrote: »

Your right but thats in an ideal world, they are like the church ie circle the wagons when complaint is made about them

if you have the right connections with AGS , you can get away with almost anything bar committing a heinous violent crime , ive seen it myself

adrag · 21-01-2014 07:38PM

Maybe ,but for that quite life they become complicit with whats going on.And where does it stop, penalty points one day lying in court the other,

adrag · 21-01-2014 07:43PM

I know only too well what their like, and like all thugs they're brave in a group but on there own no.the very same as the gangs in estates

Santa Cruz · 21-01-2014 07:46PM

If you come seeking justice come with clean hands Interpret that as you may but be sure of the person bring you "facts" before you jump the gun

fork_handle · 21-01-2014 07:48PM

adrag wrote: »

Also if you have the audacity to question or challenge them, youll see what will happen to you and yours.

aint that the truth , trumped up charges and attempts to stich you up will follow

WilyCoyote · 21-01-2014 11:47PM

fork_handle wrote: »

the guards are there to uphold the law , they are not there to " serve the people "

If they do their job right in upholding the law .......... then they serve the people. After all, the people pay their wages.

grim_outlook · 21-01-2014 11:51PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If they do their job right in upholding the law .......... then they serve the people. After all, the people pay their wages.

aint that simple , AGS is not impartial in how they enforce the law

how they deal with complaints often depends on one of two

who is complaining

who is being complained about

downonthefarm · 21-01-2014 11:51PM

Only thing worse than the filth
Crooked filth

adrag · 23-01-2014 09:34AM

Corruption surely not in our police force

adrag · 23-01-2014 01:49PM

Just heard the godfather of an garda siochana, , no corruption,well thats a relief.phew

golfball37 · 23-01-2014 02:57PM

adrag wrote: »

Just heard the godfather of an garda siochana, , no corruption,well thats a relief.phew

The same man had penalty points quashed when speeding in his prvate vehicle shur. The journalist who questioned him on it was fired by the Irish Independent. banana republic.

Callinan is nothing but a corrupt political pawn who is harming the gardaí, most of whom who are decent honourable people.

Kippure · 23-01-2014 03:24PM

golfball37 wrote: »

The same man had penalty points quashed when speeding in his prvate vehicle shur. The journalist who questioned him on it was fired by the Irish Independent. banana republic.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/sep/17/irish-independent-ireland

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/oct/03/irish-independent-ireland

_Kaiser_ · 23-01-2014 03:33PM

Some of his statements today are just shocking - from here:

Speaking to TDs on the PAC today, Callinan said that it was “extraordinarily unfair” that it was the intention from the Oireachtas committee to hear evidence from a serving garda and a former member of the force over allegations of widespread corruption in the termination of penalty points.

Yes, we can't have the 2 Gardai involved giving evidence now can we?

He also raised “very serious concerns” about data passed to the committee by the whistleblowers, saying that his advice is that it breaches the Data Protection Act.

Yep.. the DPA is there to shield the incompetent and corrupt after all!

Callinan said there were obligations on these “so-called whistleblowers” to use internal garda reporting mechanisms to highlight “matters of wrongdoing”.

Of course.. that way it can be quietly buried and the whistleblowers suitably punished

He said this would have an adverse effect on maintaining of “discipline and order” and added that it is his view that he “shouldn’t be usurped by subordinates”.

Arrogance of that last part just speaks for itself!

Will he be forced to resign though if the claims are proven true? Somehow I doubt it!

hatrickpatrick · 23-01-2014 04:48PM

fork_handle wrote: »

the guards are there to uphold the law , they are not there to " serve the people "

The purpose of the law is to protect people's rights. Therefore policing is, by definition, providing a public service.

The Gardai should be trained in, and judged on, the same standards customer service personnel are judged on.

Or in other words, if it's against the law for a citizen to be rude or obnoxious to the Gardai, it should at the very least be a disciplinary offence for the gardai to be rude or obnoxious to a citizen.

Scouser · 23-01-2014 04:51PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

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it should at the very least be a disciplinary offence for the gardai to be rude or obnoxious to a citizen.

it already is

and always had been

adrag · 23-01-2014 04:57PM

Scouser wrote: »

it already is

and always had been

Try proving it pal

hatrickpatrick · 23-01-2014 05:03PM

Scouser wrote: »

it already is

and always had been

I know it is, I'm merely responding to people who seem to think that the gardai should not be classified as public servants.

Santa Cruz · 23-01-2014 05:22PM

adrag wrote: »

Try proving it pal

"pal"? Shouldn't you be out in your taxi looking for some tourist to rip off?

adrag · 23-01-2014 05:56PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

"pal"? Shouldn't you be out in your taxi looking for some tourist to rip off?

If I had a taxi I would be bud

Gardai corruption or have we become a nation of cynics?

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