Scum terrorise older man to moving into a home...

flutered · 21-01-2014 02:12PM

golfball37 wrote: »

At least one of them will do less time than the 79 year old protestor with Parkinsons is my prediction. They should be subjected to knee cappings for scaring a defenseless old man imo.

Banana Republic where the legal system is as corrupted as the other arms of the Oireacthas.

she can protest in most parts of shannon airport, all she has to do is sign an agreement to the fact, another one of the my way or no way people.

EyeSight · 21-01-2014 02:27PM

osarusan wrote: »

77,000 euros a year to keep a prisoner, if I remember correctly.

We should be trying plenty to keep people from needing to be sent back*, for the taxpayer's benefit as well as theirs.

*But they should be sent back if needed, for as long as needed.

maybe we should make jail a little less comfortable to save some money then?
I don't care how much it costs, jail should be there as a punishment and deterrent.

criminals know they will only get a warning or suspended sentence and that is why they don't stop. Hell i'd even settle for mandatory community service rather than suspended sentence

rubberdiddies · 21-01-2014 02:30PM

is there any reason why income/dole penalties aren't imposed on convicted criminals?

it would serve 2 purposes:
1) pay back whatever they stole
2) pay back their legal fees

presumably a legislation change/introduction is required but I don't see why it can't be imposed

osarusan · 21-01-2014 02:33PM

EyeSight wrote: »

maybe we should make jail a little less comfortable to save some money then?
I don't care how much it costs, jail should be there as a punishment and deterrent.

No argument with that.

My problem is with the 'why should the state pay for counselling' argument. I think it's potentially a false economy.

Holsten · 21-01-2014 02:37PM

rubberdiddies wrote: »

is there any reason why income/dole penalties aren't imposed on convicted criminals?

it would serve 2 purposes:
1) pay back whatever they stole
2) pay back their legal fees

presumably a legislation change/introduction is required but I don't see why it can't be imposed

Real smart move there... brilliant.

How about you look at that idea in the real world. Convicted criminal has no money.... are they more or less likely to commit further crimes?

These people would have NOTHING to lose, and that's a very dangerous place to be.

Holsten · 21-01-2014 02:40PM

EyeSight wrote: »

maybe we should make jail a little less comfortable to save some money then?
I don't care how much it costs, jail should be there as a punishment and deterrent.

I guess you won't care either when Mr. Criminal gets out of this jail full of punishment and comes and robs/assaults you/your family.

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

Renegade Mechanic · 21-01-2014 02:42PM

old hippy wrote: »

Indeed. It's investing in the future. Make them better, find the root cause for such behaviour, break the cycle. Instead of sending them out as hardened criminals, you have someone who feels their self worth and usefulness to the world.

Some of the posters here might benefit from a bit of therapy; anger issues management, that kind of thing.

OH, I cant help but admire your willingness to find, good in absolutely anything. But both from experience and imo, some, many even are just beyond that. They would only see it purely as something to take advantage of so they can use the fact that theyre "trying to turn their lives around" to seek an even more lenient sentence next time they wind up beneath another judge.

Its simply not possible to pick up a piece of sh*t by the clean end.

vicwatson · 21-01-2014 02:44PM

anncoates wrote: »

Is there really a place down the country calked Mullagh?

One near Kells, Co.Meath too

Kristopherus · 21-01-2014 02:48PM

Holsten wrote: »

I guess you won't care either when Mr. Criminal gets out of this jail full of punishment and comes and robs/assaults you/your family.

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

I suppose you'd wrap them in cotton wool:rolleyes:.

the_syco · 21-01-2014 02:51PM

Holsten wrote: »

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

Jail being less comfortable doesn't have to be punishment; it really depends on what sort of life the perp is used to, though.

Barebones prison with a shrink to ascertain if the perp can ever really integrate back into society when they leave jail, or if they'll need an ankle bracelet to keep them on a lease. Although prison can help some see the error of their ways, others will see prison as the cost of doing business.

=-=

As for the older man, he should get a gun.

vicwatson · 21-01-2014 02:51PM

biko wrote: »

Preying on the elderly is a sign of a true scumbag.

Good luck finding jobs in the future.

There is scum, filth and real dirty scum out there, these 3 are below real dirty scum.

Sentencing at Ennis Circuit Court was adjourned until March 3 to await probation reports.

They'll all get a suspended sentence and walk out of the court room laughing

vicwatson · 21-01-2014 02:54PM

Wouldn't this have been a tremendous story if the man had had a gun, heard and saw them with torches outside on his property and shot the **** out of the three scumbags.

Q the pc police/cilvil liberties

EyeSight · 21-01-2014 02:55PM

Holsten wrote: »

I guess you won't care either when Mr. Criminal gets out of this jail full of punishment and comes and robs/assaults you/your family.

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

I disagree. Right now there's no punishment and it doesn't work. What about the victims? They usually want to see some retribution. You can rehabilitate in prison too you know!

Some people are born nasty and will never change. Others do actually fear prison and hate being in there so if they actually do get sent there then they will not want to come back.

Holsten · 21-01-2014 02:58PM

the_syco wrote: »

Jail being less comfortable doesn't have to be punishment; it really depends on what sort of life the perp is used to, though.

Barebones prison with a shrink to ascertain if the perp can ever really integrate back into society when they leave jail, or if they'll need an ankle bracelet to keep them on a lease. Although prison can help some see the error of their ways, others will see prison as the cost of doing business.

=-=

As for the older man, he should get a gun.

The whole point about jail is losing your liberty, that's the punishment. It doesn't have to be a complete hell hole ala Mount Joy. It should be reserved for those who are violent and a danger to society.

Ankle bracelet would do nothing. If I have an ankle bracelet on I can still go out side and murder anyone if I want to. Useless invention, gives police forces and society a false sense of security.

Ruu · 21-01-2014 02:59PM

anncoates wrote: »

Is there really a place down the country called Mullagh?

My house is near Mullagh.

This story hits close to home, my poor grandad when he was alive was robbed by two bastids in a similar fashion. They were never caught. I couldn't care less what happens to the three in the article, did they care about the old man? Did they fuck!

Holsten · 21-01-2014 03:00PM

EyeSight wrote: »

I disagree. Right now there's no punishment and it doesn't work. What about the victims? They usually want to see some retribution. You can rehabilitate in prison too you know!

Some people are born nasty and will never change. Others do actually fear prison and hate being in there so if they actually do get sent there then they will not want to come back.

Look at the USA, they have a system that you call for, 100% punishment and guess what? It doesn't work either. Some of the highest rates of recidivism in the world. Everyone can change, everyone.

Victims don't come into it, it's whats best for society as a whole. If victims had any say nearly everyone would be sentenced to death.Retribution has no place in modern society! We've come a long way from the middle ages!

c_man · 21-01-2014 03:02PM

Call for even a moderate sentence on scumbag actions like this, and get lambasted as a right-wing nutjob.... Sigh. They'll get a handy sentence, be out in no time and back in court for a similar offence shortly thereafter. Rinse and repeat.

Cuddlesworth · 21-01-2014 03:05PM

Why are only three appearing before the court. Where is the fourth from the second attack? As far as I'm concerned not a single one should be released until the fourth is identified.

Holsten · 21-01-2014 03:05PM

c_man wrote: »

Call for even a moderate sentence on scumbag actions like this, and get lambasted as a right-wing nutjob.... Sigh. They'll get a handy sentence, be out in no time and back in court for a similar offence shortly thereafter. Rinse and repeat.

And this is the problem. The cycle should be broken. And it won't be broken by harsh sentencing and punishment upon punishment.

Raging_Ninja · 21-01-2014 03:07PM

Holsten wrote: »

And this is the problem. The cycle should be broken. And it won't be broken by harsh sentencing and punishment upon punishment.

At the very least shoving them in prison gives the neighbours a break.

c_man · 21-01-2014 03:08PM

Holsten wrote: »

And this is the problem. The cycle should be broken. And it won't be broken by harsh sentencing and punishment upon punishment.

Harsh sentencing? In Ireland? You're having a laugh, right?

Tenz · 21-01-2014 03:09PM

I remember my grandmother used have a saying:
'Hanging is too good for them'
Always thought it was a bit extreme.

Now, I'm inclined to agree with her.

EyeSight · 21-01-2014 03:14PM

Holsten wrote: »

Look at the USA, they have a system that you call for, 100% punishment and guess what? It doesn't work either. Some of the highest rates of recidivism in the world. Everyone can change, everyone.

Victims don't come into it, it's whats best for society as a whole. If victims had any say nearly everyone would be sentenced to death.Retribution has no place in modern society! We've come a long way from the middle ages!

Better than almost 0% punishment. Here the criminals get 0 punishment and usually 0 rehabilitation. Suspended sentences do nothing to them. At least have more community service or mandatory rehab. Right now the justice system burries its head in the ground and it does nothing!

I'm sure society is thriving with the criminals on 40 previous convictions commiting more crimes.

Ilyushin76 · 21-01-2014 03:15PM

Just after reading this article about previous robberies in west clare targeting elderly people,I wonder was anybody ever charged ?

Holsten · 21-01-2014 03:21PM

EyeSight wrote: »

Better than almost 0% punishment. Here the criminals get 0 punishment and usually 0 rehabilitation. Suspended sentences do nothing to them. At least have more community service or mandatory rehab. Right now the justice system burries its head in the ground and it does nothing!

I'm sure society is thriving with the criminals on 40 previous convictions commiting more crimes.

I'd agree with community service, I think it's great and hardly ever used which is a shame. But a suspended sentence is not 0 punishment. Do you even know what is it?

It's a jail term without being placed in custody, and if any other transgressions occur within the time set by the judge it will be activated and must be served. They will also have criminal convictions which hinder travel and job opportunities, all punishments in my eyes.

golfball37 · 21-01-2014 03:22PM

EyeSight wrote: »

Better than almost 0% punishment. Here the criminals get 0 punishment and usually 0 rehabilitation. Suspended sentences do nothing to them. At least have more community service or mandatory rehab. Right now the justice system burries its head in the ground and it does nothing!

I'm sure society is thriving with the criminals on 40 previous convictions commiting more crimes.

The law profession is thriving on the free legal aid scam that ensures cash in perpetuity for the latest graduates from the law library. Its the judges who facilitate this scam at the expense of decent Irish people.

Inflicting scum on us for the sake of keeping their god children in money is low even for Eire.

P. Breathnach · 21-01-2014 03:25PM

Holsten wrote: »

... We've come a long way from the middle ages!

Not all of us.

c_man wrote: »

Call for even a moderate sentence on scumbag actions like this, and get lambasted as a right-wing nutjob.... Sigh....

Funny. I thought it was the bleeding heart lefties who believed in moderate sentences.

EyeSight · 21-01-2014 03:34PM

Holsten wrote: »

I'd agree with community service, I think it's great and hardly ever used which is a shame. But a suspended sentence is not 0 punishment. Do you even know what is it?

It's a jail term without being placed in custody, and if any other transgressions occur within the time set by the judge it will be activated and must be served. They will also have criminal convictions which hinder travel and job opportunities, all punishments in my eyes.

To me or you a suspended sentence is a punishment. To the majority of these criminals it is not. Sometimes i read about people on a suspended sentence getting a longer suspended sentence! I find it to be a lazy method of sentencing

I think that suspended sentences should come with mandatory community service. It would benefit everyone!

D.Campbell · 21-01-2014 03:40PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

They're scum and I hope they go away for a long time but more fool him to not report it and go back to his old way of keeping large sums of money in jars around the bloody house.... Flipping idiot.

It's sad but we're not living back in the good old days anymore.

this maybe a new way these days people afraid to put money in their account. there was a friend of mine murdered in the midlands just before Christmas RIP found dead on the path Disgraceful toe rags

Briando · 21-01-2014 03:40PM

Holsten wrote: »

I guess you won't care either when Mr. Criminal gets out of this jail full of punishment and comes and robs/assaults you/your family.

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

"Jail is not a deterrent"

Well there is our problem. Rather than making it 77k to the tax payers per year for each repeat offender.
Each time they go back inside let the jails get progressively worse. Like they'd experience in a jail in Thailand. Over crowded, under fed, uncomfortable and cold.

Lets make the cost 5k per person who repeatedly offends, they want to ruin other peoples lives and make them live in fear, lets reflect that back on them. Jail should be a living hell, when you do you time and come out, then all the help will be given to help an offender turn their life around.

Scum terrorise older man to moving into a home...

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