Scum terrorise older man to moving into a home...

whomitconcerns

2 20 year olds and a 21 year old....what can we do to stop scum like this terrorising people....3 times they robbed the same poor isolated man. And they will probably get away with it too..

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/pensioner-who-cycled-30-miles-in-terror-has-never-returned-home-29933922.html

Three men have pleaded guilty to robbing Mr McMahon.

Joseph Lernihan (21), of Finnanon Park, Mullagh, pleaded guilty to robbing Mr McMahon at Drumellihy West, Cree, on February 21 and 25, 2012, with Shane Donnellan (20), of Clohanbeg, Cree, Kilrush, and Noel Garry (20), of Tullycrine, Kilrush, pleading guilty to the robbery of Mr McMahon on February 25, 2012.

anncoates

Is there really a place down the country calked Mullagh?

Tabnabs

It's a shame the old guy didn't cycle up to Padraig Nally's house and swap with him for a week or two.

the groutch

whomitconcerns wrote: »

And they will probably get away with it too..

how are they getting away with it?
yes they might get slightly lighter sentences for pleading guilty, but they will get sentenced in accordance with the law
No matter how much of a scumbag somebody is, there is a limit to the sentence that can be imposed, would you have a judge risk getting himself barred for trying to impose a longer sentence?

whomitconcerns

the groutch wrote: »

how are they getting away with it?
yes they might get slightly lighter sentences for pleading guilty, but they will get sentenced in accordance with the law
No matter how much of a scumbag somebody is, there is a limit to the sentence that can be imposed, would you have a judge risk getting himself barred for trying to impose a longer sentence?

you see I do agree with appropriate sentencing...but here if you look at all the facts...repeated aggravated burglary...assault...i am not sure exactly what the name of the other crimes would be.. If you add up the sentences for all those and impose them it is sufficient. However, we do see and it is proven time and time again, that this will not happen. Ok they wont "get away with it" but too often they do not feel the full penalty and the man they attacked has his life permanently changed...

Canis Lupus

They're scum and I hope they go away for a long time but more fool him to not report it and go back to his old way of keeping large sums of money in jars around the bloody house.... Flipping idiot.

It's sad but we're not living back in the good old days anymore.

eviltimeban

anncoates wrote: »

Is there really a place down the country calked Mullagh?

Yes and its close to a place called Nobber.

Son Of A Vidic

the groutch wrote: »

..No matter how much of a scumbag somebody is, there is a limit to the sentence that can be imposed..

Which is unfortunate, because as a wise person once said, it should be a case of ♫ No no, no no no no, no no no no, no no there's no limit! ♫

Lapin

I hope the judge makes an example of these knackers and throws the book at them.

This man's life is ruined and crimes like this are happening all too often.

Time for the 'justice system' to grow a pair and protect law abiding members of society.

Thats all we expect and its not much to ask.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Public gallows and a 10% levy on their income (even their dole) until 10 times the amount of what was robbed is paid back to their victim.

Jail/suspended sentence won't be justice for the poor man that they robbed.

biko

Preying on the elderly is a sign of a true scumbag.

Joseph Lernihan
Shane Donnellan
Noel Garry

Good luck finding jobs in the future.

Axel Lamp

biko wrote: »

Preying on the elderly is a sign of a true scumbag.

Good luck finding jobs in the future.

1st Scummer Joseph Lernihan's FB page is open. Boyracing scumbag too.

moxin

Sentencing on March 3rd. Predictions? One will get 6 months with 3 yrs suspended, the others will get 3 yrs suspended each. Something like that anyway. If it was a judges house robbed like that, you'll know the sentence.

Larbre34

biko wrote: »

Preying on the elderly is a sign of a true scumbag.

Good luck finding jobs in the future.

Good luck on them even bothering to try.

whomitconcerns

Axel Lamp wrote: »

1st Scummer Joseph Lernihan's FB page is open. Boyracing scumbag too.

He got engaged last April...wonder how he paid for that ring :P She will be so proud.

golfball37

At least one of them will do less time than the 79 year old protestor with Parkinsons is my prediction. They should be subjected to knee cappings for scaring a defenseless old man imo.

Banana Republic where the legal system is as corrupted as the other arms of the Oireacthas.

foggy_lad

The first and most important thing that is needed for those three is castration, this will put a stop to more evil scum being bred by them. But our "civilised" society where their evil crimes will go practically unpunished would never sanction that.

old hippy

Axel Lamp wrote: »

1st Scummer Joseph Lernihan's FB page is open. Boyracing scumbag too.

Are you advocating a bit of social network bullying?

ballsymchugh

old hippy wrote: »

Are you advocating a bit of social network bullying?

you're looking for something that's not there.

Tugboats

Odds on a suspended sentence?

old hippy

foggy_lad wrote: »

The first and most important thing that is needed for those three is castration, this will put a stop to more evil scum being bred by them. But our "civilised" society where their evil crimes will go practically unpunished would never sanction that.

And thank heavens for that. Luckily all the bloodthirsty torture porn addicts here are confined to their armchairs. Otherwise they'd be just as "evil" as those they decry.

ballsymchugh wrote: »

you're looking for something that's not there.

I'm not looking for anyone's facebook page, that's for sure.

ballsymchugh

old hippy wrote: »

And thank heavens for that. Luckily all the bloodthirsty torture porn addicts here are confined to their armchairs. Otherwise they'd be just as "evil" as those they decry.



I'm not looking for anyone's facebook page, that's for sure.

maybe not, but your post is subtly accusing someone of engaging in social network bullying.

have you any opinions on this case at all, or are you just going to go on your usual crusade against anyone who thinks that the law is too lenient on criminals like these 3?

Sciprio

I read that a while ago and it pissed me right off. Hopefully they get a proper sentence but i somehow doubt it.

old hippy

ballsymchugh wrote: »

maybe not, but your post is subtly accusing someone of engaging in social network bullying.

have you any opinions on this case at all, or are you just going to go on your usual crusade against anyone who thinks that the law is too lenient on criminals like these 3?

Oh for sure, the law is a joke - I'm not going to deny it. But I'm more interested in how these horrible situations come about. I've been subjected to some awful things myself. Another poster suggested that these things happened to me because I was asking for it. Which is bobbins, of course. I'm seriously interested in how people like the perps function (or dysfunction) and what drives them. And of course, the moral outrage that follows and the inevitable calls for murder, violent retribution, sexual assault and so on. I wonder what drives those depraved responses? I imagine it's a feeling of impotence, helplessness?

SEPT 23 1989

old hippy wrote: »

And thank heavens for that. Luckily all the bloodthirsty torture porn addicts here are confined to their armchairs. Otherwise they'd be just as "evil" as those they decry.
.

what would you do with these little b@stards Hippy?

old hippy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

what would you do with these little b@stards Hippy?

A longer sentence, with mandatory sessions with a psychiatrist.

WallyGUFC

old hippy wrote: »

A longer sentence, with mandatory sessions with a psychiatrist.

Funded by the State I suppose? Isn't it well for them.

old hippy

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Funded by the State I suppose? Isn't it well for them.

Indeed. It's investing in the future. Make them better, find the root cause for such behaviour, break the cycle. Instead of sending them out as hardened criminals, you have someone who feels their self worth and usefulness to the world.

Some of the posters here might benefit from a bit of therapy; anger issues management, that kind of thing.

P. Breathnach

old hippy wrote: »

...
Some of the posters here might benefit from a bit of therapy; anger issues management, that kind of thing.

They don't want it.

Remove their capacity for screaming abuse from the sidelines, and they have nothing left.

flutered

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Funded by the State I suppose? Isn't it well for them.

five years working in the community in exchange for their dole money, miss a days work, loose a days dole, miss five days loose five days dole,

osarusan

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Funded by the State I suppose? Isn't it well for them.

77,000 euros a year to keep a prisoner, if I remember correctly.

We should be trying plenty to keep people from needing to be sent back*, for the taxpayer's benefit as well as theirs.



*But they should be sent back if needed, for as long as needed.

flutered

golfball37 wrote: »

At least one of them will do less time than the 79 year old protestor with Parkinsons is my prediction. They should be subjected to knee cappings for scaring a defenseless old man imo.

Banana Republic where the legal system is as corrupted as the other arms of the Oireacthas.

she can protest in most parts of shannon airport, all she has to do is sign an agreement to the fact, another one of the my way or no way people.

EyeSight

osarusan wrote: »

77,000 euros a year to keep a prisoner, if I remember correctly.

We should be trying plenty to keep people from needing to be sent back*, for the taxpayer's benefit as well as theirs.



*But they should be sent back if needed, for as long as needed.

maybe we should make jail a little less comfortable to save some money then?
I don't care how much it costs, jail should be there as a punishment and deterrent.

criminals know they will only get a warning or suspended sentence and that is why they don't stop. Hell i'd even settle for mandatory community service rather than suspended sentence

rubberdiddies

is there any reason why income/dole penalties aren't imposed on convicted criminals?

it would serve 2 purposes:
1) pay back whatever they stole
2) pay back their legal fees

presumably a legislation change/introduction is required but I don't see why it can't be imposed

osarusan

EyeSight wrote: »

maybe we should make jail a little less comfortable to save some money then?
I don't care how much it costs, jail should be there as a punishment and deterrent.

No argument with that.

My problem is with the 'why should the state pay for counselling' argument. I think it's potentially a false economy.

Holsten

rubberdiddies wrote: »

is there any reason why income/dole penalties aren't imposed on convicted criminals?

it would serve 2 purposes:
1) pay back whatever they stole
2) pay back their legal fees

presumably a legislation change/introduction is required but I don't see why it can't be imposed

Real smart move there... brilliant.

How about you look at that idea in the real world. Convicted criminal has no money.... are they more or less likely to commit further crimes?

These people would have NOTHING to lose, and that's a very dangerous place to be.

Holsten

EyeSight wrote: »

maybe we should make jail a little less comfortable to save some money then?
I don't care how much it costs, jail should be there as a punishment and deterrent.

I guess you won't care either when Mr. Criminal gets out of this jail full of punishment and comes and robs/assaults you/your family.

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

Renegade Mechanic

old hippy wrote: »

Indeed. It's investing in the future. Make them better, find the root cause for such behaviour, break the cycle. Instead of sending them out as hardened criminals, you have someone who feels their self worth and usefulness to the world.

Some of the posters here might benefit from a bit of therapy; anger issues management, that kind of thing.

OH, I cant help but admire your willingness to find, good in absolutely anything. But both from experience and imo, some, many even are just beyond that. They would only see it purely as something to take advantage of so they can use the fact that theyre "trying to turn their lives around" to seek an even more lenient sentence next time they wind up beneath another judge.

Its simply not possible to pick up a piece of sh*t by the clean end.

vicwatson

anncoates wrote: »

Is there really a place down the country calked Mullagh?

One near Kells, Co.Meath too

Kristopherus

Holsten wrote: »

I guess you won't care either when Mr. Criminal gets out of this jail full of punishment and comes and robs/assaults you/your family.

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

I suppose you'd wrap them in cotton wool:rolleyes:.

the_syco

Holsten wrote: »

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

Jail being less comfortable doesn't have to be punishment; it really depends on what sort of life the perp is used to, though.

Barebones prison with a shrink to ascertain if the perp can ever really integrate back into society when they leave jail, or if they'll need an ankle bracelet to keep them on a lease. Although prison can help some see the error of their ways, others will see prison as the cost of doing business.

=-=

As for the older man, he should get a gun.

vicwatson

biko wrote: »

Preying on the elderly is a sign of a true scumbag.

Good luck finding jobs in the future.

There is scum, filth and real dirty scum out there, these 3 are below real dirty scum.

Sentencing at Ennis Circuit Court was adjourned until March 3 to await probation reports.

They'll all get a suspended sentence and walk out of the court room laughing

vicwatson

Wouldn't this have been a tremendous story if the man had had a gun, heard and saw them with torches outside on his property and shot the **** out of the three scumbags.

Q the pc police/cilvil liberties

EyeSight

Holsten wrote: »

I guess you won't care either when Mr. Criminal gets out of this jail full of punishment and comes and robs/assaults you/your family.

Jail is not a deterrent and never will be. Deterrence doesn't work. Punishment doesn't work. We need rehabilitation.

I disagree. Right now there's no punishment and it doesn't work. What about the victims? They usually want to see some retribution. You can rehabilitate in prison too you know!

Some people are born nasty and will never change. Others do actually fear prison and hate being in there so if they actually do get sent there then they will not want to come back.

Holsten

the_syco wrote: »

Jail being less comfortable doesn't have to be punishment; it really depends on what sort of life the perp is used to, though.

Barebones prison with a shrink to ascertain if the perp can ever really integrate back into society when they leave jail, or if they'll need an ankle bracelet to keep them on a lease. Although prison can help some see the error of their ways, others will see prison as the cost of doing business.

=-=

As for the older man, he should get a gun.

The whole point about jail is losing your liberty, that's the punishment. It doesn't have to be a complete hell hole ala Mount Joy. It should be reserved for those who are violent and a danger to society.

Ankle bracelet would do nothing. If I have an ankle bracelet on I can still go out side and murder anyone if I want to. Useless invention, gives police forces and society a false sense of security.

Ruu

anncoates wrote: »

Is there really a place down the country called Mullagh?

My house is near Mullagh.

This story hits close to home, my poor grandad when he was alive was robbed by two bastids in a similar fashion. They were never caught. I couldn't care less what happens to the three in the article, did they care about the old man? Did they fuck!

Holsten

EyeSight wrote: »

I disagree. Right now there's no punishment and it doesn't work. What about the victims? They usually want to see some retribution. You can rehabilitate in prison too you know!

Some people are born nasty and will never change. Others do actually fear prison and hate being in there so if they actually do get sent there then they will not want to come back.

Look at the USA, they have a system that you call for, 100% punishment and guess what? It doesn't work either. Some of the highest rates of recidivism in the world. Everyone can change, everyone.

Victims don't come into it, it's whats best for society as a whole. If victims had any say nearly everyone would be sentenced to death.Retribution has no place in modern society! We've come a long way from the middle ages!

c_man

Call for even a moderate sentence on scumbag actions like this, and get lambasted as a right-wing nutjob.... Sigh. They'll get a handy sentence, be out in no time and back in court for a similar offence shortly thereafter. Rinse and repeat.

Cuddlesworth

Why are only three appearing before the court. Where is the fourth from the second attack? As far as I'm concerned not a single one should be released until the fourth is identified.

Holsten

c_man wrote: »

Call for even a moderate sentence on scumbag actions like this, and get lambasted as a right-wing nutjob.... Sigh. They'll get a handy sentence, be out in no time and back in court for a similar offence shortly thereafter. Rinse and repeat.

And this is the problem. The cycle should be broken. And it won't be broken by harsh sentencing and punishment upon punishment.

Raging_Ninja

Holsten wrote: »

And this is the problem. The cycle should be broken. And it won't be broken by harsh sentencing and punishment upon punishment.

At the very least shoving them in prison gives the neighbours a break.