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  • #782
    Greensleeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Greensleeves


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Electricity demand is constantly going up.

    I thought that electricity demand had decreased over the last few years because of the recession.


  • #783
    Greensleeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Greensleeves


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    So wind is the way to go until something better comes along.

    The outlook for wind energy is not great at the moment.

    EC investigation threatens to destabilise wind sector

    EUROPE: The European Commission (EC) has launched a number of initiatives to clamp down on potential state aid in member states that could threaten to destabilise the wind industry.

    The EC's move is part of its role to ensure that renewables support by EU member states complies with internal market rules governing state aid. A recent ruling has put the French wind tariff under threat, while a planned investigation into Germany's support mechanism is also raising concerns. The EC is proposing radical reforms to the guidelines it uses to assesses public support for renewable energy.

    In 2012, following a legal challenge, the Council of State, France's highest administrative court, asked the European Court of Justice (ECJ) to rule whether its premium purchase price for wind power should be considered state aid. In December 2013, the ECJ ruled that the mechanism constitutes "an intervention through state resources", although it left the "definitive categorisation" of the mechanism as state aid up to the council.

    Full story here...

    http://www.windpowermonthly.com/article/1227442/analysis-ec-investigation-threatens-destabilise-wind-sector


  • #784
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    JRant wrote: »
    No ranting coming from me, unlike a lot of your childish name calling.

    Yeah....:rolleyes:
    JRant wrote: »
    So you're comfortable talking out of both sides of your mouth then?

    As above.

    JRant wrote: »
    One off houses are grand if they're built to a high standard and regulations but pylons built to even higher standards and regs are not. NIMBYism 101.


    What high standards are these pylons built to that is any different than 40 years ago?

    Also...I AGAIN ask you to elaborate on your accusation in relation to a conspiracy theory?


  • #785
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    90% of that is from imported fossil fuel and most of the rest is from the destruction of peat bogs.

    And this won't really change significantly enough for the end to justify the means.
    As we all know, the wind isn't always harvestable(due to lack or too much of it).

    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    The whole idea of a grid is there is no absolute requirement to stick power stations in the middle of cities.

    No we litter the countryside with pylons and monstrous wind farms instead and thus do the UKs dirty work for them(at our expense).


  • #786
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    conorhal wrote: »
    You're just being facetious, care to point out which of those Dublin attractions is right in the middle of a nest of pylons that nobody has noticed? Is there a massive transmission mast in the middle of Trinity College library?
    There is a difference between an attraction and a view. Nobody bothers with a snap of a view filled with pylons and there are thousands upon thousands of spots around the country that tourists stop at to take a picture, the kind of places not on your list but are an essential aspect of what draws tourists to our landscape, and none of them would see a benefit from a dirty great pylon.]

    I would suggest taking the ferry over to Holyhead and heading into Snowdonia.

    As a landscape, it is so vastly better managed than our own there's almost no comparison. Almost no bungalows, sensible village development, vast stretches of open, wild land without stupid trophy houses dotted all over the place. And yet they have pylons, and nobody really seems to care.

    As many people visit Snowdonia every year as visit the whole of Ireland (although to be fair those numbers are not strictly comparable)

    I think it's absolutely hilarious how the owners and occupiers of one-off housing are now objecting to pylons because they will spoil the landscape. Apart from a few small areas of the country, we have spoiled the landscape already.


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  • #787
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    [Deleted User] wrote: »

    Apart from a few small areas of the country, we have spoiled the landscape already.

    Yesssss. Sure the place is fûcked already... That is good reason to lash up another 750 shïtty looking pylons and a few thousand wind turbines. :rolleyes:


  • #788
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Greensleeves wrote: »
    I thought that electricity demand had decreased over the last few years because of the recession.
    Peak demand was in 2010 at 5.09GW

    Last week peak demand on most weekdays was over 4.4GW and it wasn't particularly cold.

    The grid has to be sized to take the peak demand. A larger grid means that off peak there is a lower voltage drop for the same current and so I squared R losses are far lower.

    I'm sure someone will throw in the old chestnut about N% of power wasted on transmission.


  • #789
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Yeah....:rolleyes:



    As above.





    What high standards are these pylons built to that is any different than 40 years ago?

    Also...I AGAIN ask you to elaborate on your accusation in relation to a conspiracy theory?

    Ah so we're agreed, your posts do contradict themselves. At least we're getting somewhere now.

    What has 40 years ago got to do with anything? Bizarre point to make.

    Conspiracy theory? AGAIN? What?

    For someone whos posts are quite insulting to others, who put genuine effort into their responses, you've some neck asking anyone to answer a question. As the only response one is likely to get from you usually involves some sort of insult or poor attempt at humour.

    Enjoy the pylons soon to be put up near a one off bungalow near you.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #790
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    And this won't really change significantly enough for the end to justify the means.
    As we all know, the wind isn't always harvestable(due to lack or too much of it).
    24% of our power came from wind last month.

    Renewables provide as much power as Moneypoint, the biggest generating station in the country.

    What sort of criteria are you using for significance ???



    Also Wind is predictable. You harvest it when it's there.
    It's like fishing or farming or hunter gathering in that sense.


    Like this Thursday when we'll be getting the guts of 1.5GW and that won't change much even if there are problems on individual wind farms with generators or turbines unlike the case if similar problems happened to large thermal generators.

    No we litter the countryside with pylons and monstrous wind farms instead and thus do the UKs dirty work for them(at our expense).
    The London Array alone is 1/4 of our installed capacity.
    They are annually installing as much as we have ever installed.

    Even if the grid upgrade was solely for new wind farms in the midlands, and it isn't, it would only be about 10% of what they are doing at home. It's not like we could hold them to ransom, it's not like they'd threaten to invade.


    Unfortunately the sad truism of business is that the people providing the capital tend to want a large slice of the pie. Perhaps you'd feel happier if we invited the Norwegian government in to invest their oil money here ?


    http://www.renewableuk.com/en/renewable-energy/wind-energy/offshore-wind/
    The total offshore generating capacity in UK waters provides around 8 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity annually, equivalent to the electricity consumption of around 2 million homes.

    In addition to the capacity already installed a further 3.8GW is either in construction or has planning approval, and a further 7.8GW is in the planning system.

    Industry projections see a total of around 8GW of capacity installed by 2016 and around 18GW installed by 2020, by which point offshore wind will supply between 18 and 20 per cent of the UK’s electricity annually.


    How many people here would have predicted just a few years ago that the UK would install 1.45GW of solar last year ? This is something their grid has to cope with. The rate of install will drop as the subsidies have changed. But it will pick up again when the panels fall enough in price. http://www.solarpowerportal.co.uk/guest_blog/uk_large_scale_solar_pv_grew_by_600_in_2013_with_annual_demand_reaching_1.4


  • #791
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    JRant wrote: »
    Ah so we're agreed, your posts do contradict themselves. At least we're getting somewhere now.

    That's not what I implied. But keep trying anyway.

    JRant wrote: »
    What has 40 years ago got to do with anything? Bizarre point to make.

    Not really. I meant nothing has really changed in pylon technology in 40 years.

    JRant wrote: »
    For someone whos posts are quite insulting to others, who put genuine effort into their responses, you've some neck asking anyone to answer a question. As the only response one is likely to get from you usually involves some sort of insult or poor attempt at humour.

    I see you get loads of thanks for your "effort" at responses. You generally avoid the core questions and points that are made to you(much like the wafflers you represent).
    JRant wrote: »
    Enjoy the pylons soon to be put up near a one off bungalow near you.

    More assumptions and childishness on your part.


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  • #792
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    24% of our power came from wind last month.

    Really? Was a windy month alright. You get that from here?

    http://www.aweablog.org/blog/post/wind-energy-blows-away-records-across-europe-driving-emissions-and-electricity-prices-down

    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Also Wind is predictable. You harvest it when it's there.
    It's like fishing or farming or hunter gathering in that sense.

    And what do you do when it's not or is too strong to harvest?



    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

    Even if the grid upgrade was solely for new wind farms in the midlands, and it isn't, it would only be about 10% of what they are doing at home. It's not like we could hold them to ransom, it's not like they'd threaten to invade.

    Not sure what you're getting at here
    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Unfortunately the sad truism of business is that the people providing the capital tend to want a large slice of the pie.

    What will the Irish taxpayers slice of the pie be for generating this energy for the UK?


  • #793
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    That's not what I implied. But keep trying anyway.




    Not really. I meant nothing has really changed in pylon technology in 40 years.




    I see you get loads of thanks for your "effort" at responses. You generally avoid the core questions and points that are made to you(much like the wafflers you represent).



    More assumptions and childishness on your part.

    That's exactly what was implied. You're happy enough to contradict yourself in the same sentence just to make a point.

    Again what relevance has 40 years got to do with anything? More mudding of waters with nonsensical arguments.

    What questions have been avoided exactly?

    You don't like the look of the pylons, that's grand. Each to their own really. However the fact remains that this project will go ahead. It may be delayed slightly due to NIMBY's like yourself but it will get the green light.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #794
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    JRant wrote: »
    However the fact remains that this project will go ahead. It may be delayed slightly due to NIMBY's like yourself but it will get the green light.

    I'm not sure.

    This is Ireland, NIMBY-ism trumps sensible national development almost 100% of the time.

    Sure we even have NIMBY quangos in place in the form of Taisce & Bord Planala.


  • #795
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    JRant wrote: »
    That's exactly what was implied.

    Speak for yourself. Not for others. The cheek of you.

    JRant wrote: »
    You're happy enough to contradict yourself in the same sentence just to make a point.
    No.
    JRant wrote: »
    Again what relevance has 40 years got to do with anything? More mudding of waters with nonsensical arguments.
    A lot... as nothing has really changed with these high tech pylons you drone on about.
    JRant wrote: »

    What questions have been avoided exactly?

    Too many.
    JRant wrote: »
    You don't like the look of the pylons, that's grand. Each to their own really.

    I don't have a THING for pylons unlike yourself. That is quite true.

    I can only imagine where you keep your pylon. ;)

    JRant wrote: »
    However the fact remains that this project will go ahead. It may be delayed slightly due to NIMBY's like yourself but it will get the green light.

    Maybe..but hopefully not.


  • #796
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    spank_inferno wrote: »
    I'm not sure.

    This is Ireland, NIMBY-ism trumps sensible national development almost 100% of the time.

    Sure we even have NIMBY quangos in place in the form of Taisce & Bord Planala.

    Very true, however I'd be surprised if it was now cancelled. It's taken years to get to this stage and would be a big blow for all involved if a few parish pumpers were able to scuttle it.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #797
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    JRant wrote: »
    Very true, however I'd be surprised if it was now cancelled. It's taken years to get to this stage and would be a big blow for all involved if a few parish pumpers were able to scuttle it.

    There's a lot more than a few. You really are a naive little individual.


  • #798
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Speak for yourself. Not for others. The cheek of you.



    No.


    A lot... as nothing has really changed with these high tech pylons you drone on about.



    Too many.



    I don't have a THING for pylons unlike yourself. That is quite true.

    I can only imagine where you keep your pylon. ;)




    Maybe..but hopefully not.

    Still nothing constructive to add then.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #799
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    There's a lot more than a few. You really are a naive little individual.

    Nah, it's a small minority of cranks that rear their heads on every single major infrastructural project.

    This project actually helps the environment by reducing our reliance on fossil fuels. As CM has been at pains to point out in a number of replies.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #800
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    JRant wrote: »
    Still nothing constructive to add then.

    Well that's all down to interpretation.

    Even your dear leader isn't quite so sure on this project any more. Is this down to the "few" parish pump people that you refer too?


  • #801
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    JRant wrote: »
    Nah, it's a small minority of cranks that rear their heads on every single major infrastructural project.

    You're more than a bit of a crank yourself. Pot calling the kettle black here.
    JRant wrote: »
    This project actually helps the environment by reducing our reliance on fossil fuels. As CM has been at pains to point out in a number of replies.

    Reducing at what cost?

    And reducing the UKs fossil fuel consumption is not our responsibility, which is what the scale of this project is all about!!

    NITBY(not in their back yard)!!! To reduce myself to your fondness of abbreviations.


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  • #802
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Well that's all down to interpretation.

    Even your dear leader isn't quite so sure on this project any more. Is this down to the "few" parish pump people that you refer too?

    It's not really, from reading your posts on this issue you seem to be emplying the toddler method of debating. If someone disagrees with your point of view out come the insults.

    Oh the hilarity continues, do you write your own material?

    They said the Glen of the Downs wouldn't go ahead, it did.

    They said the M50 at Carrickmines was a non-runner, they were wrong again.

    Tara along the N3 was the same.

    These are mostly professional cranks with nothing better to do.

    Couldn't care less what Enda thinks about this issue. He changes his mind more than the weather.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #803
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    JRant wrote: »
    It's not really, from reading your posts on this issue you seem to be emplying the toddler method of debating. If someone disagrees with your point of view out come the insults.

    You really need to read your own posts!!
    JRant wrote: »
    Oh the hilarity continues, do you write your own material?
    What's so hilarious?
    JRant wrote: »
    They said the Glen of the Downs wouldn't go ahead, it did.

    They said the M50 at Carrickmines was a non-runner, they were wrong again.

    Aside from the fact that the design and construction of these roads was horrendous, they benefit everyone.
    JRant wrote: »
    Tara along the N3 was the same.

    A disgrace.

    JRant wrote: »
    These are mostly professional cranks with nothing better to do.
    You being one of them!!
    JRant wrote: »
    Couldn't care less what Enda thinks about this issue. He changes his mind more than the weather.
    Oh sorry..you're Gilmores biatch. Apologies.


  • #804
    Nemeses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭Nemeses


    There's nothing wrong with a pylon - In fact they are grand.

    I mean we either improve our infrastructure for the better or leave it to rot and then moan about how ESB aren't doing anything to improve our electricity supply..


    Its the way forward..


  • #805
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Imagine the current crop of NIMBYs were around 60 years ago for rural electrification.

    Lamp oil would still be all the rage.


  • #806
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    spank_inferno wrote: »
    Imagine the current crop of NIMBYs were around 60 years ago for rural electrification.

    Lamp oil would still be all the rage.

    Imagine if greed and power(pardon the pun) and FÛCK anyone who gets in our way wasn't the reality of this situation.


  • #807
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Imagine if greed and power(pardon the pun) and FÛCK anyone who gets in our way wasn't the reality of this situation.

    I'd like that but there will always be NIMBYs.


  • #808
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    spank_inferno wrote: »
    I'd like that but there will always be NIMBYs.

    What would you like? A pylon in YOUR back yard?


  • #809
    donutheadhomer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭donutheadhomer


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    The children's hospital they weren't allowed to build in Dublin ? I'm guessing these people think magic fairy dust powers hospitals ?

    maybe build the hospital in south tiipp


  • #810
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    What would you like? A pylon in YOUR back yard?

    My garden isn't quite big, there is one about 100-200 ish metres away (Wicklow).

    I can hear it slightly when its quiet.

    You?


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  • #811
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    spank_inferno wrote: »
    My garden isn't quite big, there is one about 100-200 ish metres away (Wicklow).

    I can hear it slightly when its quiet.

    You?

    I'm not a fan as you know.
    I'd say rantboy would love to head over to Wicklow to you..play ring a ring a Rosie around the pylon while listening to its sweet hum on a quiet day and taking in some healthy rays.


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