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Murder rates and house prices (split from Depressing Dublin House prices)

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  • #52
    McDook
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭McDook


    Im from Tallaght.
    My parents still live there.
    I have friends who always shout from the rooftops that they are "proud" to be from Tallaght. Dont know what that means.
    I think im objective enough to see past the home tinted glasses that most people have on.
    I would never live there again, let alone bring my kids up there.

    I always find that a good test of whether an area is safe is to go there about 10pm after dark and have a walk around for a few hours.
    Then ask yourself, would you be happy having your mother/wife/daughter doing that same walk, or having to live there.
    You can tell a lot about a place by getting the last bus to it too. Try that one. I suppose some people here would be quite happy to live in Tallaght after doing that, but i bet 99% wouldnt.

    Anyone who thinks Tallaght doent deserve its reputation go ahead and do a walk around about 10 pm during the summer. See how you feel about it afterwards.
    My cousin lives in Ballyfermot. Now that is even worse than Tallaght.
    Try a walkaround there.


  • #53
    drumswan
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    Another spoofer. Its not possible to walk around Tallaght in a few hours, Google maps says its an hour an a half to walk from Tymon North to Killinarden in a straight line.

    My mother in her sixties has been walking around the Old Bawn area to keep fit every evening for the last twenty years without issue. My father often takes the last 49 home from Knocklyon, again - no issue. There are several ordinary middle class or lower middle class areas in and around Tallaght, exactly the same as the vast majority of areas the vast majority of Dublins suburban population live in.

    Seeing the weird classism on here day in, day out, and indeed the pathetic self loating of people from working class and lower middle class areas, its no wonder prices are affected so much. If areas like Kingswood, Belgard and Firhouse are being written off as some kind of ghettos in the minds of some buyers, thats definitely something normal people should be looking to take advantage of. Ditto if people are writing off the likes of Clontarf because its north of the liffey.


  • #54
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The Spider wrote: »
    See links above or do a search for crime deaths tallaght 2013, plenty of em.

    Do a search for crime deaths Cabinteely 2013 and compare and contrast.

    I lived in Cabinteely for 2 years in a massive penthouse apartment which cost a fortune. Was renting with two good friends.

    In those two years my car was rammed into by someone I put a notice in the board for information and was warned off the suspect by a local garda the vehicle belonged to a notorious drug dealer living in adjacent apartments.

    We also had the drug squad fly in one morning with guns out kicking in doors in the private estate.


    In all my years in tallaght my car was never hit or did I live beside or witness the drug squad kicking doors in. I've lived here the remainder of my life.


    One thing I hate in life is assumptions by people who haven't a clue what they are talking about.


  • #55
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    McDook wrote: »
    Im from Tallaght.
    My parents still live there.
    I have friends who always shout from the rooftops that they are "proud" to be from Tallaght. Dont know what that means.
    I think im objective enough to see past the home tinted glasses that most people have on.
    I would never live there again, let alone bring my kids up there.

    I always find that a good test of whether an area is safe is to go there about 10pm after dark and have a walk around for a few hours.
    Then ask yourself, would you be happy having your mother/wife/daughter doing that same walk, or having to live there.
    You can tell a lot about a place by getting the last bus to it too. Try that one. I suppose some people here would be quite happy to live in Tallaght after doing that, but i bet 99% wouldnt.

    Anyone who thinks Tallaght doent deserve its reputation go ahead and do a walk around about 10 pm during the summer. See how you feel about it afterwards.
    My cousin lives in Ballyfermot. Now that is even worse than Tallaght.
    Try a walkaround there.

    Complete waffle I walk around Tallaght most evenings passing by women walkers on their own and in groups etc.

    You clearly don't understand the size of Tallaght or are just spoofing to give an opinion.

    Can't walk around Tallaght..... Hilarious.


  • #56
    moxin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    On those Garda stats, they actually cover nearby areas to the named stations. Tallaght Garda station probably covers Firhouse and Blanch station does cover Castleknock and Clonee as well as Blanch itself.

    The media(especially tabloids) has a role to play in the presentation of a perception of an area to the public. As most media journo's live in "desirable" areas, they will at their best try not to say a bad thing that has happened in that desirable area and try to say it happened in a nearby undesirable area instead. Example, if something bad happened in Glasnevin, its Finglas. If its bad in Castleknock, its reported as Blanch. Alot of the public laps this up as fact.


  • #57
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    Okay here's one for you kind folks. Summerhill / NCR 5 bedroom house for 150K - would you?

    I was looking around there the other day, I know it has the reputation for being Ireland's answer to downtown Mogadishu and I'm under no illusions about the area but I'm interested to hear peoples thoughts.

    Burglaries don't look like too much of an issue but that's possibly because no-one has anything to nick.


  • #58
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    There's good and bad streets in the vicinity. I've lived in the locality for 15 years and the amount of grief you're potentially exposed to is entirely dependent on whether there's a few bad apples amongst the local kids or not. There were a few bad years, but it's been better/quieter for a good while now.

    There's actually a bit of gentrification in the area, but again - much variation from street to street. The main local problems are vandalism, fly tipping, anti-social activities rather than violent crime. Drug dealing in Summerhill is an ongoing issue, but joyriders are way down on what they used to be.

    150k for a five bedroom place suggests some underlying problem, or a dicey location though.
    Bepolite wrote: »
    Okay here's one for you kind folks. Summerhill / NCR 5 bedroom house for 150K - would you?

    I was looking around there the other day, I know it has the reputation for being Ireland's answer to downtown Mogadishu and I'm under no illusions about the area but I'm interested to hear peoples thoughts.

    Burglaries don't look like too much of an issue but that's possibly because no-one has anything to nick.


  • #59
    Bepolite
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    alastair wrote: »
    There's good and bad streets in the vicinity. I've lived in the locality for 15 years and the amount of grief you're potentially exposed to is entirely dependent on whether there's a few bad apples amongst the local kids or not. There were a few bad years, but it's been better/quieter for a good while now.

    There's actually a bit of gentrification in the area, but again - much variation from street to street. The main local problems are vandalism, fly tipping, anti-social activities rather than violent crime. Drug dealing in Summerhill is an ongoing issue, but joyriders are way down on what they used to be.

    150k for a five bedroom place suggests some underlying problem, or a dicey location though.

    Excellent post and Thank you. I'm (intentionally) a bit off on my figures, but to be fair the house needs a lot of work - it's livable at the moment but barely.

    Fly tipping is definitely a big issue, it's a shame as the area would be much nicer if it wasn't for the masses of litter. On the gentrification of the area, do you think this will be ongoing as house prices start to build again?

    I don't mind an area with a bit of 'character' but obviously repeated muggings and break-ins tends to ruin anyones day.


  • #60
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Anybody have the breakdown of crime rates and there affect on property prices ?
    I.e. is higher the rate correlate directly with property prices


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  • #61
    McDook
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭McDook


    I said walk around Tallaght for a few hours.
    I didnt say walk around the whole of Tallaght in a few hours.
    You can just walk around where you are thinking of buying if you want.
    Dont take my word for it, and similarly dont take anyones word who tells you its a lovely place to bring up a family. Do it yourself if you are planning on buying there.
    Or get the last bus back on a Friday night. Lovely experience.
    Then come back and say you are going ahead with the buy.
    For anyone living there already or from Tallaght. I call VI.
    Try to look at things objectively. Im not trying to insult you. Just pointing out that there are nicer areas to want to bring up a family in. Dont take it so personally.

    I would advise buyers to do this in any area they intend to buy. I just picked Tallaght because I know it so well.


  • #62
    McDook
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭McDook


    Bepolite wrote: »
    Okay here's one for you kind folks. Summerhill / NCR 5 bedroom house for 150K - would you?

    I was looking around there the other day, I know it has the reputation for being Ireland's answer to downtown Mogadishu and I'm under no illusions about the area but I'm interested to hear peoples thoughts.

    Burglaries don't look like too much of an issue but that's possibly because no-one has anything to nick.

    Try the walkaround at 10pm and see how you get on.
    And have a chat on your new iPhone as you do it :)

    If you post here tomorrow from that phone you might be safe enough. :)

    But to be fair, we all know the undesirable areas, though some people might be sensitive when they are from or live in the area when you mention that its undesirable.


  • #63
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    Ì always walk round and area tbh, I pop into the shops and strike up conversations with people. Yes you might come across as a bit odd but if you're going to be dropping hundreds of thousands of Euro I think it's well worth it.


  • #64
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    The Spider wrote: »
    I'd prefer not to live in an area that had the 'odd murder' full stop.

    Well, given the way the world is today, it's impossible to avoid areas that have had a murder. Unless you live on a desert island!


  • #65
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    McDook wrote: »
    I said walk around Tallaght for a few hours.
    I didnt say walk around the whole of Tallaght in a few hours.
    You can just walk around where you are thinking of buying if you want.
    Dont take my word for it, and similarly dont take anyones word who tells you its a lovely place to bring up a family. Do it yourself if you are planning on buying there.
    Or get the last bus back on a Friday night. Lovely experience.
    Then come back and say you are going ahead with the buy.
    For anyone living there already or from Tallaght. I call VI.
    Try to look at things objectively. Im not trying to insult you. Just pointing out that there are nicer areas to want to bring up a family in. Dont take it so personally.

    I would advise buyers to do this in any area they intend to buy. I just picked Tallaght because I know it so well.

    I think you are seriously overplaying the risk. You make it sound like some sort of anarchical dystopia where anyone daring to venture outside their door after dark is guaranteed to become a victim of crime. This is simply not the case.

    Question for you. For someone with the kind of budget that buys a house in tallaght, say 150-200k, what alternative area would you recommend?


  • #66
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    spockety wrote: »
    I think you are seriously overplaying the risk. You make it sound like some sort of anarchical dystopia where anyone daring to venture outside their door after dark is guaranteed to become a victim of crime. This is simply not the case.

    Question for you. For someone with the kind of budget that buys a house in tallaght, say 150-200k, what alternative area would you recommend?

    Cabra and D7 in general. Depends what you want though tallaght is fine. Meath and Kildare.


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  • #67
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    spockety wrote: »
    I think you are seriously overplaying the risk. You make it sound like some sort of anarchical dystopia where anyone daring to venture outside their door after dark is guaranteed to become a victim of crime. This is simply not the case.

    Question for you. For someone with the kind of budget that buys a house in tallaght, say 150-200k, what alternative area would you recommend?[/QUO


    Dublin 15 can get a nice house for that


  • #68
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Dublin 15 can get a nice house for that

    There are some areas of D15 which genuinely are scary though!


  • #69
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Bepolite wrote: »
    There are some areas of D15 which genuinely are scary though!
    Before living there I would have thought the same.


  • #70
    Zamboni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    So...
    The Spider = McDook

    ;) Ssh


  • #71
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Before living there I would have thought the same.

    To be fair I used to live there and it's the same as anywhere 97% of it's fine. Ironically enough I'm quite familiar with a few murders that took place D15 way.


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  • #72
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Bepolite wrote: »
    To be fair I used to live there and it's the same as anywhere 97% of it's fine. Ironically enough I'm quite familiar with a few murders that took place D15 way.



    I hope not to familiar !!

    Yep most people are down to earth good neighbours.


  • #73
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    handlemaster wrote: »
    I hope not to familiar !!

    Yep most people are down to earth good neighbours.

    Sorry I should have clarified that, I interned in a solicitors firm dealing with a couple of cases out that way.


  • #74
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    handlemaster wrote: »
    I hope not to familiar !!

    Yep most people are down to earth good neighbours.

    Sounds like Tallaght so!


  • #75
    McDook
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭McDook


    spockety wrote: »
    I think you are seriously overplaying the risk. You make it sound like some sort of anarchical dystopia where anyone daring to venture outside their door after dark is guaranteed to become a victim of crime. This is simply not the case.

    Question for you. For someone with the kind of budget that buys a house in tallaght, say 150-200k, what alternative area would you recommend?

    Well they would have to buy in an area, wherever they deem suitable, where the value of their house is 150 - 200k wouldnt they. Or else keep renting.

    There is a reason houses are cheaper in some areas than others, and you would think nobody on here knows what it is the way they are refusing to mention it.

    Why dont they move to Limerick and buy two or three of these houses then
    http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?id=555814

    They look lovely inside.

    And im sure the neighbors will be on telling us thats its a lovely area and people often walk around alone at night.


  • #76
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    McDook wrote: »
    Well they would have to buy in an area, wherever they deem suitable, where the value of their house is 150 - 200k wouldnt they. Or else keep renting.

    There is a reason houses are cheaper in some areas than others, and you would think nobody on here knows what it is the way they are refusing to mention it.

    Why dont they move to Limerick and buy two or three of these houses then
    http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?id=555814

    They look lovely inside.

    And im sure the neighbors will be on telling us thats its a lovely area and people often walk around alone at night.

    Oookaaaaaaaay.....


  • #77
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    Sorry to drag this OT by keep asking about areas but D3 near Fairview Park - likely to be murdered regularly or?


  • #78
    moxin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    Bepolite wrote: »
    Sorry to drag this OT by keep asking about areas but D3 near Fairview Park - likely to be murdered regularly or?

    Google Fairview Park, there have been quite awful incidents there in the past.


  • #79
    moxin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    Rathmines in the news today, does it justify high prices for Rathmines?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-arrested-over-assault-on-woman-in-dublin-6-1.1645784
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-attacked-in-dublin-gardai-arrest-man-618930.html


  • #80
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    moxin wrote: »
    Rathmines in the news today, does it justify high prices for Rathmines?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-arrested-over-assault-on-woman-in-dublin-6-1.1645784
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-attacked-in-dublin-gardai-arrest-man-618930.html

    Better walk around everywhere within an hours walk of there at 10pm to be sure


  • #81
    highgiant1985
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    Bepolite wrote: »
    Sorry to drag this OT by keep asking about areas but D3 near Fairview Park - likely to be murdered regularly or?

    only the once.


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  • #82
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    moxin wrote: »
    Google Fairview Park, there have been quite awful incidents there in the past.

    Sorry to ask this in such a blunt manner but these wouldn't have involved men there at night on they're own would it? When I google it I only get the one in Ohio.


  • #83
    moxin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    Bepolite wrote: »
    Sorry to ask this in such a blunt manner but these wouldn't have involved men there at night on they're own would it? When I google it I only get the one in Ohio.

    https://www.google.ie/#q=fairview+park+assault+dublin


  • #84
    Bepolite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    Many Thanks - however that leads me to believe it's no worse than Phoenix park. Some of those stories got a lot of press attention (rightly so) but they seem to be sporadic instances.


  • #85
    moxin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    Bepolite wrote: »
    Many Thanks - however that leads me to believe it's no worse than Phoenix park. Some of those stories got a lot of press attention (rightly so) but they seem to be sporadic instances.

    Phoenix Park gets hell of alot more footfall than the smaller Fairview Park. By the way you'd be mad to venture into any park at night!!


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