Garda Recruitment- The Waiting to Apply Room

Pappa Charlie · 30-12-2013 07:01PM

thekopend wrote: »

Says you. If you are a garda what do you earn a year if you don't mind me asking.

Not as much as I used too!

thekopend · 30-12-2013 07:04PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Not as much as I used too!

Well I would say it is a lot more than 23k before tax and all the rest. We have to give out about it somewhere, no one else will listen to me give out!

Pappa Charlie · 30-12-2013 07:16PM

thekopend wrote: »

Well I would say it is a lot more than 23k before tax and all the rest. We have to give out about it somewhere, no one else will listen to me give out!

Get in an we'll back ye all the way!

Faith and Justice · 30-12-2013 07:24PM

I failed the Garda interview back in 2008. In the meantime I was lucky enough to get a different job in the public service.

For me to join the Gardai I would be giving up a lot and taking a pay cut, but I would do it in a heartbeat. It's all I've ever wanted to do and I've been waiting for this for years.

If you really want it then your going to have to accept the pay and conditions. There's nothing we can do about it.

Santa Cruz · 30-12-2013 07:38PM

Faith and Justice wrote: »

I failed the Garda interview back in 2008. In the meantime I was lucky enough to get a different job in the public service.

For me to join the Gardai I would be giving up a lot and taking a pay cut, but I would do it in a heartbeat. It's all I've ever wanted to do and I've been waiting for this for years.

If you really want it then your going to have to accept the pay and conditions. There's nothing we can do about it.

Well there really is no choice in the short term. But the Gardaí have conceded a lot through Croke Park and Haddington road that they would never have conceded in the good times. Change of shift work hours leading to savings, cuts in pays, pension and overtime rates.
Changes in the last Budget as regards tax relief for health insurance will mean further increases in the health insurance price.

However if people have confidence that in the mid term (5 years approx.) the economy will improve then they may be able to recoup some of the losses. If a prospective applicant can get over these first few years of hardship they might see better days.
They will need realistic enthusiastic GRA officials though not the station big mouth elected because no one else wants the position. Ideally a person who thinks first before speaking would be suitable

thestar · 31-12-2013 02:57AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

I really think there are people on this forum trying to discourage people from applying in order to give themselves a better chance, don't be put off folks!

I would have said the same until I actually looked the figures, Dunno am I willing to enter a 'career' where I have to decide between having a car or going for a pint at the weekend

carzony · 31-12-2013 03:06AM

thestar wrote: »

I would have said the same until I actually looked the figures, Dunno am I willing to enter a 'career' where I have to decide between having a car or going for a pint at the weekend

I think you'll be making more important decisions like heat or food lol

slingerz · 31-12-2013 09:34AM

Its all cyclic. the downturn has led to hardship for all and it may not be as rewarding as it was previously.

however for every downturn, there must at some stage be an Upturn. Once this happens increments and increases will return as the union has considerable lobbying power.

same goes for teachers/nurses etc

Devil08 · 31-12-2013 01:20PM

Please read and please sign. I will be emailing this to all TDs in the country today. About time someone stood up for themselves.

http://www.activism.com/en_IE/petition/better-conditions-for-new-garda-recruits/47596

mfergus · 31-12-2013 01:36PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Please read and please sign. I will be emailing this to all TDs in the country today. About time someone stood up for themselves.

http://www.activism.com/en_IE/petition/better-conditions-for-new-garda-recruits/47596

I honestly can't believe you are doing that.

Either (a) you haven't really thought this true or (b) you are trying to get other people to sign it with the view to fu#king them up.

I hope it's the first option.

Sending that is just insane. They way they'll look at it is, if you want it apply. If you don't, don't apply.

However I do agree with you. The pay is ridiculous.

Devil08 · 31-12-2013 01:38PM

mfergus wrote: »

I honestly can't believe you are doing that.

Either (a) you haven't really thought this true or (b) you are trying to get other people to sign it with the view to fu#king them up.

I hope it's the first option.

Sending that is just insane. They way they'll look at it is, if you want it apply. If you don't, don't apply.

Ive been waiting since 2008 to join. I was on panel then and then it got scrapped. If i had of gotten in then id be on 10k more a year. Im going to stand up for myself. Too many people just accepting whats fckued at them in this country. No leaders at all.

mfergus · 31-12-2013 01:40PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Ive been waiting since 2008 to join. I was on panel then and then it got scrapped. If i had of gotten in then id be on 10k more a year. Im going to stand up for myself. Too many people just accepting whats fckued at them in this country. No leaders at all.

I respect your opinion. I just don't think it's a wise move. Sending a letter complaining about a job and then applying to join it.

Devil08 · 31-12-2013 01:43PM

mfergus wrote: »

I respect your opinion. I just don't think it's a wise move. Sending a letter complaining about a job and then applying to join it.

I havnt used my real name, and those signing it dont need to either. Im not that stupid to use my name and then apply!

mfergus · 31-12-2013 01:45PM

Devil08 wrote: »

I havnt used my real name, and those signing it dont need to either. Im not that stupid to use my name and then apply!

Ah right. It makes more sense now. I thought you were giving your name!

Devil08 · 31-12-2013 01:46PM

mfergus wrote: »

Ah right. It makes more sense now. I thought you were giving your name!

Ive emailed it to all TDs in the country too (from a made up email address!)
So who knows, someone might bring it up in the Dáil. I hope the opposition will anyway.

Faith and Justice · 01-01-2014 04:27AM

Devil08 wrote: »

I havnt used my real name, and those signing it dont need to either. Im not that stupid to use my name and then apply!

If you don't give your real name then they won't be taking you seriously. If you hand shatter a petition where devil, and a load of made up names have signed it, it'll go straight in the bin.

Santa Cruz · 01-01-2014 10:32AM

Devil08 wrote: »

Ive emailed it to all TDs in the country too (from a made up email address!)
So who knows, someone might bring it up in the Dáil. I hope the opposition will anyway.

Maybe if you suggested that the T.D.s be given a salary rise as well they may pay attention to it

senordingdong · 01-01-2014 08:41PM

Faith and Justice wrote: »

it'll go straight in the bin.

That's about the height of it.

Devil08 · 01-01-2014 10:12PM

Guys
I'm leaving boards, deleting my account. Sorry if I offended anyone recently. I'm quite passionate about joining AGS, and I just want what's best for me and all looking to join.
That passion gets the better of me sometimes. Hope to see some of you in templemore soon. Best of luck with the application.

DesertCreat_15 · 01-01-2014 10:24PM

See you as a re-reg soon ! :pac:

Devil08 · 01-01-2014 10:28PM

DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

See you as a re-reg soon ! :pac:

No it's best I stay away from this. Lots of negativity from myself and others and it leaves a bad taste. Best to just put the head down and concentrate on the application process without getting stressed reading stuff on here!

Canyon86 · 01-01-2014 11:41PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Guys
I'm leaving boards, deleting my account. Sorry if I offended anyone recently. I'm quite passionate about joining AGS, and I just want what's best for me and all looking to join.
That passion gets the better of me sometimes. Hope to see some of you in templemore soon. Best of luck with the application.

Hi devil!

Good luck with everything! Hope it works out for you!

Canyon86

Hitchroun · 04-01-2014 12:15AM

As there seems to be a fair deal of confusion regarding allowances I have decided to try and clear the matter up a bit.

After some digging I have located a document made available by the GRA with various information regarding allowances for new entrants. It is noted on the site as "Outcome of the Review of Allowances", it is dated near the end of 2012. I would say this would be the most reliable source in regards to the allowances for new entrants so far discussed in this thread. If someone has a document available that is more update to date on the matter please let me know.

I would assume it has gone mostly unnoticed as there have not been any new entrants to apply these new allowances to until recently. Below are the details.

Abolished:
Rent Allowance
Clerical Allowance
Safety Advisor Allowance
Promotion Exam Grant
Analyst
Motor Tech
Change Management Allowance
Radio Allowance
Locomotion Allowances
Bicycle Allowance
Transport Allowance
Exam Bonus-Inspector

Approved, but subject to review and/or Modification:
Court Presenter
Non-Public Duty
Reward

Approved:
Detective Allowance
Ministers Pool
Instructors Allowance
Scene of Crime Allowance
Juvenile Liaison/Community Relations/Crime Prevention
Immigration Allowances
Air Support Unit Allowance
Collator Allowance
Welfare Officer
Dog Handler
Living Allowance(Recruit)
Water Unit
Public Holiday
Expert Allowance
Boot Allowance
Plain Clothes Allowance
Uniform Cleaning Allowance

I hope this clears things up for some people on here.

D Trent · 04-01-2014 01:09AM

Hitchroun wrote: »

As there seems to be a fair deal of confusion regarding allowances I have decided to try and clear the matter up a bit.

After some digging I have located a document made available by the GRA with various information regarding allowances for new entrants. It is noted on the site as "Outcome of the Review of Allowances", it is dated near the end of 2012. I would say this would be the most reliable source in regards to the allowances for new entrants so far discussed in this thread. If someone has a document available that is more update to date on the matter please let me know.

I would assume it has gone mostly unnoticed as there have not been any new entrants to apply these new allowances to until recently. Below are the details.

Abolished:
Rent Allowance
Clerical Allowance
Safety Advisor Allowance
Promotion Exam Grant
Analyst
Motor Tech
Change Management Allowance
Radio Allowance
Locomotion Allowances
Bicycle Allowance
Transport Allowance
Exam Bonus-Inspector

Approved, but subject to review and/or Modification:
Court Presenter
Non-Public Duty
Reward

Approved:
Detective Allowance
Ministers Pool
Instructors Allowance
Scene of Crime Allowance
Juvenile Liaison/Community Relations/Crime Prevention
Immigration Allowances
Air Support Unit Allowance
Collator Allowance
Welfare Officer
Dog Handler
Living Allowance(Recruit)
Water Unit
Public Holiday
Expert Allowance
Boot Allowance
Plain Clothes Allowance
Uniform Cleaning Allowance

I hope this clears things up for some people on here.

Fareplay hitchroun

senordingdong · 04-01-2014 12:08PM

Hitchroun wrote: »

As there seems to be a fair deal of confusion regarding allowances I have decided to try and clear the matter up a bit.

Fair play on the concise list but I have to stress, that was just the outcome to a review.
Very little of what that document recommended has actually come into being.

Hitchroun · 04-01-2014 04:55PM

senordingdong wrote: »

Fair play on the concise list but I have to stress, that was just the outcome to a review.
Very little of what that document recommended has actually come into being.

I agree, but at the very least it would imply that the allowances that have been approved in my previous post will be kept. I would think we won't know a great deal regarding allowances and other details such as pension changes until the new recruits sign their contracts.

Santa Cruz · 04-01-2014 07:32PM

The majority of those allowance will be of no interest to new recruits/student Garda. What the new recruit/student Garda should know is
1. Basic pay
2. Rate paid for night duty hours
3. Rate paid for working a rostered Sunday, Saturday and Public Holiday
4. Rate paid for working overtime on a weekday and on a Sunday/Pubic holiday
5. Rent allowance (if still applicable)
6. Wage increments schedule. Will you be entitled to a rise in accordance with your service and at what rate? An increment will mean a rise in the amount received for night duty etc. so every little helps!

If you have full knowledge of these you will have a fair idea of what can be earned in a year. You can do your budget and see is joining up a financially attractive proposition.

Don't bother factoring in overtime as this is not guaranteed and many Gardaí don't ever see an hours overtime.

Work out basic pay plus the night duty/Sunday/Public holiday allowance to get a true figure

senordingdong · 04-01-2014 07:44PM

Hitchroun wrote: »

I agree, but at the very least it would imply that the allowances that have been approved in my previous post will be kept. I would think we won't know a great deal regarding allowances and other details such as pension changes until the new recruits sign their contracts.

Well take RA for example.
It'd be a huge chunk of a Gardas weekly wage, and taking it from new recruits while expecting them to walk the beat with Gardaí who do have it could be setting up a serious legal issue.

ForeverYoung90 · 04-01-2014 08:11PM

How did they get away with cutting rent allowance along with a 23k starting salary dropped from 27k.It must have happened on the low as this week is the first Ive heard of this. :mad:

Hitchroun · 04-01-2014 08:20PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

The majority of those allowance will be of no interest to new recruits/student Garda. What the new recruit/student Garda should know is
1. Basic pay
2. Rate paid for night duty hours
3. Rate paid for working a rostered Sunday, Saturday and Public Holiday
4. Rate paid for working overtime on a weekday and on a Sunday/Pubic holiday
5. Rent allowance (if still applicable)
6. Wage increments schedule. Will you be entitled to a rise in accordance with your service and at what rate? An increment will mean a rise in the amount received for night duty etc. so every little helps!

If you have full knowledge of these you will have a fair idea of what can be earned in a year. You can do your budget and see is joining up a financially attractive proposition.

Don't bother factoring in overtime as this is not guaranteed and many Gardaí don't ever see an hours overtime.

Work out basic pay plus the night duty/Sunday/Public holiday allowance to get a true figure

How well are night duty/Sunday/public holidays shifts distributed? Is it completely random or is there an effort made to ensure everyone gets roughly the same amount of these special shifts?

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