Another fine mess you've gotten us OUTA Enda!

Splat Strawberry Jam · 15-12-2013 03:11PM

ruthloss wrote: »

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Not Endas fault. He inherited one hell of a mess of the previous Government.

Highflyer13 wrote: »

This is very true, but trotting it out every time they open their mouths is getting very old very fast.

But if it's completely correct then it has to be said. Sorry if it grates but it is the truth. The previous government are completely at fault. That has to be rammed home. Otherwise they will get back into power and possibly do something similar again.

Fianna Fail rising in polls really does make me question my fellow irishman.

Highflyer13 · 15-12-2013 03:16PM

ruthloss wrote: »

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Not Endas fault. He inherited one hell of a mess of the previous Government.

This is very true, but trotting it out every time they open their mouths is getting very old very fast.

Its the truth and people need to be reminded because they are forgetting fairly quickly. Not trotting it out, its just a cold hard fact. I would hate to see Fianna Fail inherit our recovering economy and f**k it up again in 10 years time.

LordSutch · 15-12-2013 03:16PM

marzic wrote: »

Another fine mess you've gotten us Enda!

Fianna Fail got us into the mess (not Enda).

Enda's speech was to signal the end of the bailout. Credit where credit's due I say.

Plates · 15-12-2013 03:23PM

Bankers, bondholders, ordinary working man etc etc.

So much of what's posted on these types of thread sound like Brick Tamlands guide to Economics and Politics.

ArmaniJeanss · 15-12-2013 03:24PM

marzic wrote: »

Dear Taoiseach
Its probably somewhat late to add to your speech for this evening but what I'd hope you'd do is the following:
1. instead of thanking the people who have had to loose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet as a result of austerity policies - you'd say sorry
2. you'd take a leaf from the forgotten hero of Mayo - Michael Davitt, who fought to empower the oppressed and break the stranglehold of the powerful, but who was ultimately shafted by the most powerful politian in the country at the time (ironic isn't it?)
3. promise(and actually keep it) to work for the people not for the powerful

1. He'll probably do your first suggestion - he's done it before in previous such speeches. Doubtless as before some people will regard it as 'mealy mouthed' and pathetic, and how words don't put bread on the table of the most poor and vulnerable in society etc.

2. I've no idea who this is, but in general assigning 21st century ideals and aspirations to people from 1916 or 1798 or the Famine era is one of the more pointless things in Irish politics.

3. is frankly impossible as everything you do can be interpreted different ways, e.g., easing the process for a multinational to create 2000 jobs seems great for the people, whilst also being a vehicle for the MNC to make a huge profit with little corpo tax being paid.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-12-2013 03:54PM

marzic wrote: »

ok spellings aside, and political allegiances aside, and everything else aside. what would you ask the taoiseach to include in his speech? a high five to the country, and no more boom(-boom) and bust scenarios? cmon everybody its christmas

What would be the point of posting anything here, as you have already put a bias on it with your OP?

And what has Christmas got to do with it? Baah humbug!

Sonics2k · 15-12-2013 03:59PM

marzic wrote: »

An Taoiseach is going to give a 'Look at the State of Us' address tonight. Its probably a bit late but here's his email address for suggestions

taoiseach@taoiseach.gov.ie

heres what I said

Dear Taoiseach
Its probably somewhat late to add to your speech for this evening but what I'd hope you'd do is the following:
1. instead of thanking the people who have had to loose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet as a result of austerity policies - you'd say sorry
2. you'd take a leaf from the forgotten hero of Mayo - Michael Davitt, who fought to empower the oppressed and break the stranglehold of the powerful, but who was ultimately shafted by the most powerful politian in the country at the time (ironic isn't it?)
3. promise(and actually keep it) to work for the people not for the powerful

Regards

Whilst I agree with three general idea, would you not send this on to Fianna Fail instead of Enda?

After all, it was them who got us into this whole balls up of a situation. Enda may be a knob, but this want his fault.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-12-2013 04:02PM

ruthloss wrote: »

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Not Endas fault. He inherited one hell of a mess of the previous Government.

This is very true, but trotting it out every time they open their mouths is getting very old very fast.

You see, this is what's wrong in this country. The short memories that lead to the same mistakes time after time. The attention spam of many today is so short that they must be continually reminded of the important lessons to be learned. Hence you get bull like the blame being put on this government for the actions necessary to negate the damage done by the precious administration.
Children with a poor attention span need continual repetition to help them learn. It can be frustrating for the brighter kids in the class but necessary for the overall standard of education.

Blahblah2012 · 15-12-2013 04:46PM

Eliseo Shallow Comics wrote: »

ruthloss wrote: »

You see, this is what's wrong in this country. The short memories that lead to the same mistakes time after time. The attention spam of many today is so short that they must be continually reminded of the important lessons to be learned. Hence you get bull like the blame being put on this government for the actions necessary to negate the damage done by the precious administration.
Children with a poor attention span need continual repetition to help them learn. It can be frustrating for the brighter kids in the class but necessary for the overall standard of education.

Just because you accept/believe that a good job has been done by these individuals doesn't make it a fact!

Splat Strawberry Jam · 15-12-2013 04:55PM

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Eliseo Shallow Comics wrote: »

Just because you accept/believe that a good job has been done by these individuals doesn't make it a fact!

Talk about spectacularly missing the point. We're discussing the blame for the current situation, not whether Enda is doing a good job or not.

cantdecide · 15-12-2013 05:03PM

'Please remind Germany that it was their sweet, no-questions-asked cheap credit that we used to blow the top of our economy'.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-12-2013 05:26PM

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Just because you accept/believe that a good job has been done by these individuals doesn't make it a fact!

And just because you keep saying otherwise doesn't change anything. Na na na na na! I can pee higher than you can!
Come back with some facts mate and we might have a grown up conversation. I reckon I have experienced at least 3 major recessions more than you have (1940s, 60s, and 80s) so bring it on.

marzic · 15-12-2013 05:39PM

Splat Strawberry Jam wrote: »

If you're blaming Enda Kenny for the country's present predicament then you clearly dont understand what is actually going on and should be treated accordingly. I dont think anyone here or who has read your post really has the time to explain how the world works to you on a Sunday afternoon. Maybe you thought you were being clever and cutting in your email to Enda Kenny. Sadly, you werent and appear like quite a foolish person. Sorry

I didnt blame Enda at any point

Blahblah2012 · 15-12-2013 05:44PM

Eliseo Shallow Comics wrote: »

And just because you keep saying otherwise doesn't change anything. Na na na na na! I can pee higher than you can!
Come back with some facts mate and we might have a grown up conversation. I reckon I have experienced at least 3 major recessions more than you have (1940s, 60s, and 80s) so bring it on.

For a start I'm NOT your MATE..and considering your little rant..It seriously stresses your leanings and maybe it's time to hang up your rain mack and sit back into your little arm chair and finish off your whiskey

Royal Legend · 15-12-2013 06:03PM

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

I hope you forward a copy onto fianna fail who led us and signed us up to this....

professore wrote: »

Surely the previous FF/Greens government are the ones to blame for getting us into this mess? Lack of regulation, tax breaks for property in a boom - what the hell was that about?

I'm not a fan of any political party or from Mayo but blaming Enda Kenny personally is not fair.

Blame him for things he's doing or not doing now - but all the stuff in your post was caused by the previous government.

Eliseo Shallow Comics wrote: »

As someone with no political bias or of any political persusion , I have to say I think the current government are to be applauded for what they gave achieved so quickly. Yes there is much still to do but they have brought us a long way towards recovery. I for one will be looking at the government parties more favourably come the next elections. It has been tough but it was always going to be, and had to be, tough but that was the mess we were in. Well done, I say!
Here's hoping the trend lasts.

Page one alone and already not sure whether these are FG apologists or FG spindoctors. you always know its them with some of their comments "I'm not a FG supporter" "I'm not relly into politics" or the classic " I'm not from mayo" :rolleyes:

Femme_Fatale · 15-12-2013 06:04PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Page one alone and already not sure whether these are FG apologists or FG spindoctors. you always know its them with some of their comments "I'm not a FG supporter" "I'm not relly into politics" or the classic " I'm not from mayo" :rolleyes:

Well all three genuinely apply to me and I'm not sure what the problem with their point is, or how it could only mean they're FG shills? Seems a very logical, fair, broad assessment IMO.
Is the problem with it just that it's not anti government generica?

Royal Legend · 15-12-2013 06:07PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Well all three genuinely apply to me and I'm not sure what the problem with their point is, or how it could only mean they're FG shills?
Is the problem with it just that it's not anti government generica?

Well maybe the correct term is Enda Kenny or FG fanboy's, other than that I cannot fathom praise for this or the previous government

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-12-2013 06:11PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Page one alone and already not sure whether these are FG apologists or FG spindoctors. you always know its them with some of their comments "I'm not a FG supporter" "I'm not relly into politics" or the classic " I'm not from mayo" :rolleyes:

Did you ever consider that somebody on a message board might actually be honest and telling the truth? This is the usual response when somebody hears something they don't want to hear. You don't have to support a particular party to appreciate when they might actually have done something right. Some of us believe in credit where credit is due. Others wouldn't admit to anything positive if their lives depended on it - the online hardmen.

Femme_Fatale · 15-12-2013 06:12PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Well maybe the correct term is Enda Kenny or FG fanboy's, other than that I cannot fathom praise for this or the previous government

But I'm 100 per cent not a FG fan-girl however I don't understand vitriol towards them either. The two can be mutually exclusive. Not viewing them as the devil incarnate isn't the same as praising them either. Can you outline how FG (just FG since it became government - not the legacy it was handed) is being so dreadful given all the limitations it's working with?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-12-2013 06:14PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Well maybe the correct term is Enda Kenny or FG fanboy's, other than that I cannot fathom praise for this or the previous government

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion but so are others entitled to theirs. I certainly never praised the previous government, although I did foolishly vote for some of them. I will however give praise for the majority of the corrective actions taken by this government, as is my prerogative.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER · 15-12-2013 06:15PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Page one alone and already not sure whether these are FG apologists or FG spindoctors. you always know its them with some of their comments "I'm not a FG supporter" "I'm not relly into politics" or the classic " I'm not from mayo" :rolleyes:

Lol
Please watch reeling in the years....

cml387 · 15-12-2013 06:21PM

Micheal Martin's right of reply will be more interesting.

"I congratulate the present government for cleaning up the mess we left the country in.I can say this full sure in the knowledge that most of ye have the memories of a goldfish and will vote for us when we promise golden elephants for every voter at the next election."

holystungun9 · 15-12-2013 06:26PM

Are we ever gonna hear the Enda dis?

Blahblah2012 · 15-12-2013 06:28PM

cml387 wrote: »

Micheal Martin's right of reply will be more interesting.

"I congratulate the present government for cleaning up the mess we left the country in.I can say this full sure in the knowledge that most of ye have the memories of a goldfish and will vote for us when we promise golden elephants for every voter at the next election."

They have cleaned up alright. Big fat wages and pensions and handy numbers in Europe on retirement. Just like the last shower. While at the same time slashing funding for the health service, the disabled, carers, the elderly, children, the gardaí, education, infrastructure etc...and now selling off state assets.
Great job alright.

cml387 · 15-12-2013 06:30PM

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

They have cleaned up alright. Big fat wages and pensions and handy numbers in Europe on retirement. Just like the last shower. While at the same time slashing funding for the health service, the disabled, carers, the elderly, children, the gardaí, education, infrastructure etc...and now selling off state assets.
Great job alright.

Are you that guy who had to eat pigeons to stay alive?

Blahblah2012 · 15-12-2013 06:31PM

cml387 wrote: »

Are you that guy who had to eat pigeons to stay alive?

Are you that guy that asks stupid questions?

cml387 · 15-12-2013 06:36PM

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Are you that guy that asks stupid questions?

Well here's another question. Bearing in mind the fact that the county was running a humungous current account deficit, and that no one was going to give us money, what would you have cut?

tayto lover · 15-12-2013 06:36PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Fianna Fail got us into the mess (not Enda).

Enda's speech was to signal the end of the bailout. Credit where credit's due I say.

Yes Fianna Fail are to blame for the mess and should never be voted for again.
BUT Enda & Co. sat in opposition while it went on and all they did was complain that FF didn't give enough away in their budgets,
So in essence they aided and abetted Fianna Fail.

Blahblah2012 · 15-12-2013 06:39PM

cml387 wrote: »

Well here's another question. Bearing in mind the fact that the county was running a humungous current account deficit, and that no one was going to give us money, what would you have cut?

Considering FG et all were pushing FF to spend more money when they were in government..it goes to show where their heads were at!!! (Sorry just saw tayto got in there first)

RobertKK · 15-12-2013 06:50PM

Yeah I don't know why people blame FF alone, I mean before the 2007 election, FG wanted to cut stamp duty for those buying houses - they wanted to add more fuel to a fire that got out of control.
Labour were the same as were all - auction politics.

FG and Labour implemented the plan that was agreed, some changes were made but whoever was in power they would have gotten changes to the deal to make it work.
Deals for Greece helped a lot.

Enda the school teacher, going onto TV like a teacher to tell the students they did great and how great they are.
Nothing against school teachers, but I think there are better ones than Enda...

Another fine mess you've gotten us OUTA Enda!

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