Another fine mess you've gotten us OUTA Enda!

marzic

An Taoiseach is going to give a 'Look at the State of Us' address tonight. Its probably a bit late but here's his email address for suggestions

taoiseach@taoiseach.gov.ie

heres what I said


Dear Taoiseach
Its probably somewhat late to add to your speech for this evening but what I'd hope you'd do is the following:
1. instead of thanking the people who have had to lose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet as a result of austerity policies - you'd say sorry
2. you'd take a leaf from the forgotten hero of Mayo - Michael Davitt, who fought to empower the oppressed and break the stranglehold of the powerful, but who was ultimately shafted by the most powerful politian in the country at the time (ironic isn't it?)
3. promise(and actually keep it) to work for the people not for the powerful

Regards

catallus

The people who have had to lose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet are more the victims of private moneylenders (markets) and investors who are hoarding capital and preventing the creation of new jobs. I really don't see how a politician can be blamed for that.

Me?

catallus wrote: »

The people who have had to lose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet are more the victims of private moneylenders (markets) and investors who are hoarding capital and preventing the creation of new jobs. I really don't see how a politician can be blamed for that.

Really?

marzic

catallus wrote: »

The people who have had to lose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet are more the victims of private moneylenders (markets) and investors who are hoarding capital and preventing the creation of new jobs. I really don't see how a politician can be blamed for that.

Enda, thanks for getting back so quickly, I'll take that as a no then - Have a great Christmas anyway

overshoot

"another fine mess"? i thought we were exiting the bailout the previous government put us in
although point 1 would be nice

catallus

Me? wrote: »

Really?

Yes, really.

It is funny, when everything is going great and everyone has money in their pocket and jobs and opportunity the govt is told to mind their own business, and then when things go tits up it isn't the fault of capitalist machine but that of the politicians.

It is as if people think that elected representatives have any power at all over the people who own the means of production. They don't.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

marzic wrote: »

An Taoiseach is going to give a 'Look at the State of Us' address tonight. Its probably a bit late but here's his email address for suggestions

taoiseach@taoiseach.gov.ie

heres what I said
1. instead of thanking the people who have had to loose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet as a result of austerity policies - you'd say sorry

Regards[/I]

I hope you forward a copy onto fianna fail who led us and signed us up to this....

The One Who Knocks

Bah.. politics

Mint Aero

Thread title is a nice play on words OP.

professore

Surely the previous FF/Greens government are the ones to blame for getting us into this mess? Lack of regulation, tax breaks for property in a boom - what the hell was that about?

I'm not a fan of any political party or from Mayo but blaming Enda Kenny personally is not fair.

Blame him for things he's doing or not doing now - but all the stuff in your post was caused by the previous government.

diomed

OP
The music has stopped. We have to pay for the fun.

suicide_circus

Please tell me you corrected the spelling and grammar mistakes in that piece before you sent it to our divine and nobel leader!

marzic

catallus wrote: »

Yes, really.

It is funny, when everything is going great and everyone has money in their pocket and jobs and opportunity the govt is told to mind their own business, and then when things go tits up it isn't the fault of capitalist machine but that of the politicians.

It is as if people think that elected representatives have any power at all over the people who own the means of production. They don't.

The state thru its gov politicians set the climate for the market to flourish and the citizens fund it. Then when the market crashes the state bales it out and the citizens fund that too, but in order to fund the bale out the citizenz must suffer - I'd shout at a hedge fund but he doesnt knock on my door making promises he wont keep.

jank

I see AH is as deluded as ever.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

As someone with no political bias or of any political persusion , I have to say I think the current government are to be applauded for what they gave achieved so quickly. Yes there is much still to do but they have brought us a long way towards recovery. I for one will be looking at the government parties more favourably come the next elections. It has been tough but it was always going to be, and had to be, tough but that was the mess we were in. Well done, I say!
Here's hoping the trend lasts.

marzic

suicide_circus wrote: »

Please tell me you corrected the spelling and grammar mistakes in that piece before you sent it to our divine and nobel leader!

you spelled noble wrong, but was that just to make me feel better? I may have spelled politician wrong but the rest is ok i'd say - but do elaborate

Me?

It will happen again.

catallus

marzic wrote: »

The state thru its gov politicians set the climate for the market to flourish and the citizens fund it. Then when the market crashes the state bales it out and the citizens fund that too, but in order to fund the bale out the citizenz must suffer - I'd shout at a hedge fund but he doesnt knock on my door making promises he wont keep.

Well then maybe you should write a letter to Fianna Fail and the treacherous Brian Lenihan. They really really really shouldn't have done what they did, and they did it purposefully. They really sold this country down the river to the money-owners. But that was a separate thing altogether from the loss of jobs and opportunity; that was down to the money-owners themselves withdrawing their capital. We can't conflate these issues if there is any hope of untangling the ins and outs of what happened.

D1stant

suicide_circus wrote: »

Please tell me you corrected the spelling and grammar mistakes in that piece before you sent it to our divine and nobel leader!

He probably wont notice as he's preoccupied today mourning Nadiba

Sherfin

suicide_circus wrote: »

Please tell me you corrected the spelling and grammar mistakes in that piece before you sent it to our divine and nobel leader!

What did he win it for ??
:D

The Backwards Man

You know what this place is becoming more and more like?

Speakers Corner in Hyde Park.

garv123

marzic wrote: »

you spelled noble wrong, but was that just to make me feel better? I may have spelled politician wrong but the rest is ok i'd say - but do elaborate

Since you asked, the first thing that jumped out:
loose..lose

suicide_circus

marzic wrote: »

you spelled noble wrong, but was that just to make me feel better? I may have spelled politician wrong but the rest is ok i'd say - but do elaborate

Yes that was to make you feel better

gcgirl

Thank Britney my TV signal has gone

Duckworth_Luas

D1stant wrote: »

He probably wont notice as he's preoccupied today mourning Nadiba

Naturally as Melsom Namdela was a significant international politician!

marzic

ok spellings aside, and political allegiances aside, and everything else aside. what would you ask the taoiseach to include in his speech? a high five to the country, and no more boom(-boom) and bust scenarios? cmon everybody its christmas

Highflyer13

marzic wrote: »

An Taoiseach is going to give a 'Look at the State of Us' address tonight. Its probably a bit late but here's his email address for suggestions

taoiseach@taoiseach.gov.ie

heres what I said


Dear Taoiseach
Its probably somewhat late to add to your speech for this evening but what I'd hope you'd do is the following:
1. instead of thanking the people who have had to loose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet as a result of austerity policies - you'd say sorry
2. you'd take a leaf from the forgotten hero of Mayo - Michael Davitt, who fought to empower the oppressed and break the stranglehold of the powerful, but who was ultimately shafted by the most powerful politian in the country at the time (ironic isn't it?)
3. promise(and actually keep it) to work for the people not for the powerful

Regards

Not Endas fault. He inherited one hell of a mess of the previous Government and he is now doing a fine job with the hand he was dealt. My biggest fear is that many are going to go back and vote Fianna Fail as a result of the current Governments policies but I would like to think they dont have short memories.

catallus

marzic wrote: »

ok spellings aside, and political allegiances aside, and everything else aside. what would you ask the taoiseach to include in his speech? a high five to the country, and no more boom(-boom) and bust scenarios? cmon everybody its christmas

Christmas is 10 days away. Seriously.

No more boom-bust scenarios? Are you a communist, marzic?

Splat Strawberry Jam

If you're going to send an email with that sort of tone to any person i would suggest getting basic grammar correct. It really looses its effect.

ruthloss

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Not Endas fault. He inherited one hell of a mess of the previous Government.


This is very true, but trotting it out every time they open their mouths is getting very old very fast.

Splat Strawberry Jam

marzic wrote: »

ok spellings aside, and political allegiances aside, and everything else aside. what would you ask the taoiseach to include in his speech? a high five to the country, and no more boom(-boom) and bust scenarios? cmon everybody its christmas

If you're blaming Enda Kenny for the country's present predicament then you clearly dont understand what is actually going on and should be treated accordingly. I dont think anyone here or who has read your post really has the time to explain how the world works to you on a Sunday afternoon. Maybe you thought you were being clever and cutting in your email to Enda Kenny. Sadly, you werent and appear like quite a foolish person. Sorry

Splat Strawberry Jam

ruthloss wrote: »

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Not Endas fault. He inherited one hell of a mess of the previous Government.

Highflyer13 wrote: »

This is very true, but trotting it out every time they open their mouths is getting very old very fast.

But if it's completely correct then it has to be said. Sorry if it grates but it is the truth. The previous government are completely at fault. That has to be rammed home. Otherwise they will get back into power and possibly do something similar again.

Fianna Fail rising in polls really does make me question my fellow irishman.

Highflyer13

ruthloss wrote: »

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Not Endas fault. He inherited one hell of a mess of the previous Government.


This is very true, but trotting it out every time they open their mouths is getting very old very fast.

Its the truth and people need to be reminded because they are forgetting fairly quickly. Not trotting it out, its just a cold hard fact. I would hate to see Fianna Fail inherit our recovering economy and f**k it up again in 10 years time.

LordSutch

marzic wrote: »

Another fine mess you've gotten us Enda!

Fianna Fail got us into the mess (not Enda).

Enda's speech was to signal the end of the bailout. Credit where credit's due I say.

Plates

Bankers, bondholders, ordinary working man etc etc.

So much of what's posted on these types of thread sound like Brick Tamlands guide to Economics and Politics.

ArmaniJeanss

marzic wrote: »

Dear Taoiseach
Its probably somewhat late to add to your speech for this evening but what I'd hope you'd do is the following:
1. instead of thanking the people who have had to loose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet as a result of austerity policies - you'd say sorry
2. you'd take a leaf from the forgotten hero of Mayo - Michael Davitt, who fought to empower the oppressed and break the stranglehold of the powerful, but who was ultimately shafted by the most powerful politian in the country at the time (ironic isn't it?)
3. promise(and actually keep it) to work for the people not for the powerful

1. He'll probably do your first suggestion - he's done it before in previous such speeches. Doubtless as before some people will regard it as 'mealy mouthed' and pathetic, and how words don't put bread on the table of the most poor and vulnerable in society etc.

2. I've no idea who this is, but in general assigning 21st century ideals and aspirations to people from 1916 or 1798 or the Famine era is one of the more pointless things in Irish politics.

3. is frankly impossible as everything you do can be interpreted different ways, e.g., easing the process for a multinational to create 2000 jobs seems great for the people, whilst also being a vehicle for the MNC to make a huge profit with little corpo tax being paid.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

marzic wrote: »

ok spellings aside, and political allegiances aside, and everything else aside. what would you ask the taoiseach to include in his speech? a high five to the country, and no more boom(-boom) and bust scenarios? cmon everybody its christmas

What would be the point of posting anything here, as you have already put a bias on it with your OP?

And what has Christmas got to do with it? Baah humbug!

Sonics2k

marzic wrote: »

An Taoiseach is going to give a 'Look at the State of Us' address tonight. Its probably a bit late but here's his email address for suggestions

taoiseach@taoiseach.gov.ie

heres what I said


Dear Taoiseach
Its probably somewhat late to add to your speech for this evening but what I'd hope you'd do is the following:
1. instead of thanking the people who have had to loose their jobs or their homes / leave the country/ struggle to make ends meet as a result of austerity policies - you'd say sorry
2. you'd take a leaf from the forgotten hero of Mayo - Michael Davitt, who fought to empower the oppressed and break the stranglehold of the powerful, but who was ultimately shafted by the most powerful politian in the country at the time (ironic isn't it?)
3. promise(and actually keep it) to work for the people not for the powerful

Regards

Whilst I agree with three general idea, would you not send this on to Fianna Fail instead of Enda?

After all, it was them who got us into this whole balls up of a situation. Enda may be a knob, but this want his fault.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

ruthloss wrote: »

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Not Endas fault. He inherited one hell of a mess of the previous Government.


This is very true, but trotting it out every time they open their mouths is getting very old very fast.

You see, this is what's wrong in this country. The short memories that lead to the same mistakes time after time. The attention spam of many today is so short that they must be continually reminded of the important lessons to be learned. Hence you get bull like the blame being put on this government for the actions necessary to negate the damage done by the precious administration.
Children with a poor attention span need continual repetition to help them learn. It can be frustrating for the brighter kids in the class but necessary for the overall standard of education.

Blahblah2012

Eliseo Shallow Comics wrote: »

ruthloss wrote: »

You see, this is what's wrong in this country. The short memories that lead to the same mistakes time after time. The attention spam of many today is so short that they must be continually reminded of the important lessons to be learned. Hence you get bull like the blame being put on this government for the actions necessary to negate the damage done by the precious administration.
Children with a poor attention span need continual repetition to help them learn. It can be frustrating for the brighter kids in the class but necessary for the overall standard of education.

Just because you accept/believe that a good job has been done by these individuals doesn't make it a fact!

Splat Strawberry Jam

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Eliseo Shallow Comics wrote: »

Just because you accept/believe that a good job has been done by these individuals doesn't make it a fact!

Talk about spectacularly missing the point. We're discussing the blame for the current situation, not whether Enda is doing a good job or not.

cantdecide

'Please remind Germany that it was their sweet, no-questions-asked cheap credit that we used to blow the top of our economy'.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Just because you accept/believe that a good job has been done by these individuals doesn't make it a fact!

And just because you keep saying otherwise doesn't change anything. Na na na na na! I can pee higher than you can!
Come back with some facts mate and we might have a grown up conversation. I reckon I have experienced at least 3 major recessions more than you have (1940s, 60s, and 80s) so bring it on.

marzic

Splat Strawberry Jam wrote: »

If you're blaming Enda Kenny for the country's present predicament then you clearly dont understand what is actually going on and should be treated accordingly. I dont think anyone here or who has read your post really has the time to explain how the world works to you on a Sunday afternoon. Maybe you thought you were being clever and cutting in your email to Enda Kenny. Sadly, you werent and appear like quite a foolish person. Sorry

I didnt blame Enda at any point

Blahblah2012

Eliseo Shallow Comics wrote: »

And just because you keep saying otherwise doesn't change anything. Na na na na na! I can pee higher than you can!
Come back with some facts mate and we might have a grown up conversation. I reckon I have experienced at least 3 major recessions more than you have (1940s, 60s, and 80s) so bring it on.

For a start I'm NOT your MATE..and considering your little rant..It seriously stresses your leanings and maybe it's time to hang up your rain mack and sit back into your little arm chair and finish off your whiskey

Royal Legend

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

I hope you forward a copy onto fianna fail who led us and signed us up to this....

professore wrote: »

Surely the previous FF/Greens government are the ones to blame for getting us into this mess? Lack of regulation, tax breaks for property in a boom - what the hell was that about?

I'm not a fan of any political party or from Mayo but blaming Enda Kenny personally is not fair.

Blame him for things he's doing or not doing now - but all the stuff in your post was caused by the previous government.

Eliseo Shallow Comics wrote: »

As someone with no political bias or of any political persusion , I have to say I think the current government are to be applauded for what they gave achieved so quickly. Yes there is much still to do but they have brought us a long way towards recovery. I for one will be looking at the government parties more favourably come the next elections. It has been tough but it was always going to be, and had to be, tough but that was the mess we were in. Well done, I say!
Here's hoping the trend lasts.

Page one alone and already not sure whether these are FG apologists or FG spindoctors. you always know its them with some of their comments "I'm not a FG supporter" "I'm not relly into politics" or the classic " I'm not from mayo" :rolleyes:

Femme_Fatale

Royal Legend wrote: »

Page one alone and already not sure whether these are FG apologists or FG spindoctors. you always know its them with some of their comments "I'm not a FG supporter" "I'm not relly into politics" or the classic " I'm not from mayo" :rolleyes:

Well all three genuinely apply to me and I'm not sure what the problem with their point is, or how it could only mean they're FG shills? Seems a very logical, fair, broad assessment IMO.
Is the problem with it just that it's not anti government generica?

Royal Legend

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Well all three genuinely apply to me and I'm not sure what the problem with their point is, or how it could only mean they're FG shills?
Is the problem with it just that it's not anti government generica?

Well maybe the correct term is Enda Kenny or FG fanboy's, other than that I cannot fathom praise for this or the previous government

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Royal Legend wrote: »

Page one alone and already not sure whether these are FG apologists or FG spindoctors. you always know its them with some of their comments "I'm not a FG supporter" "I'm not relly into politics" or the classic " I'm not from mayo" :rolleyes:

Did you ever consider that somebody on a message board might actually be honest and telling the truth? This is the usual response when somebody hears something they don't want to hear. You don't have to support a particular party to appreciate when they might actually have done something right. Some of us believe in credit where credit is due. Others wouldn't admit to anything positive if their lives depended on it - the online hardmen.

Femme_Fatale

Royal Legend wrote: »

Well maybe the correct term is Enda Kenny or FG fanboy's, other than that I cannot fathom praise for this or the previous government

But I'm 100 per cent not a FG fan-girl however I don't understand vitriol towards them either. The two can be mutually exclusive. Not viewing them as the devil incarnate isn't the same as praising them either. Can you outline how FG (just FG since it became government - not the legacy it was handed) is being so dreadful given all the limitations it's working with?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Royal Legend wrote: »

Well maybe the correct term is Enda Kenny or FG fanboy's, other than that I cannot fathom praise for this or the previous government

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion but so are others entitled to theirs. I certainly never praised the previous government, although I did foolishly vote for some of them. I will however give praise for the majority of the corrective actions taken by this government, as is my prerogative.