Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

Skylinehead · 15-12-2013 02:21AM

LordSutch wrote: »

OK then, sorry if I jumped the gun, but its like an IRA wasps nest in here tonight hence my unusually sharp reply.

Over the years the term Republican has been used (for example) to differentiate between Sinn Fein & the SDLP who would be considered a Natonalist party, and this is the context I was using in this thread. Loyalists & Unionists is another example of how two strands would be seperated by a term.

In hindsight I might have said 'Militant Republicanism' or militant Republicans.

Fair enough, now that the terminology has been cleared up it makes more sense. Although I'd say that Sinn Fein do get a fair bit more support than the likes of the SDLP these days.

Karl Stein · 15-12-2013 02:22AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Not biting the bait.

You're a self-confessed enemy of Irish independence and apologist for British/Unionist terrorism.

Shame on you.

WilyCoyote · 15-12-2013 02:22AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Terrorism is a disgusting business, and for that Adams will always be remembered in a negative light. There was no just cause to launch the Troubles, and with over 3000 peopled dead as a result, Adams and the rest of the perpetrators should hang their heads in shame.

Yes, the British Army and it's cohorts invaded lands all over the world. Terrorized the inhabitants, raped, looted and killed. Can we not start at the cause and then go to the effect.
Do these anti-Adams people not understand that the Ulster Plantation was against the wishes of the former owners? Locals were herded off their land and the farms then given to people from the British Isle.
If Frenchmen invaded the Isle Of Wight and installed Frenchmen in all the businesses and farms there, would a violent rebellion (by the local disenfranchised) be "terrorists scum attacking French interests in a part of France?"

moxin · 15-12-2013 02:23AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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It will, the SDLP and SF embrace the Tricolour as our flag.

LordSutch · 15-12-2013 02:23AM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

You're a self-confessed enemy of Irish independence and apologist for British/Unionist terrorism.

Shame on you.

Bushmills? or just tiredness?

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 02:23AM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Hold it together now Tim Paisley.

Go easy on the Bushmills. It only makes you angry.

You are joking me uncles. I hate the old brown water. My da drank it though.

That's the first post in a while you haven't mentioned my kids. Phew weee.....

Fred Swanson · 15-12-2013 02:25AM

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Karl Stein · 15-12-2013 02:26AM

timthumbni wrote: »

You have lost me uncles. How are your uncles doing up in the uk city of culture anyway???

Very well. Derry is about as UK as Cork is btw. Derry is a proud city bursting with Irishness as was evident in the Fleadh Cheoil which brought in 400,000 visitors.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-12-2013 02:26AM

moxin wrote: »

All political parties in the Dail aspire to a United Ireland hence you're wrong.

That's what they once stood for, for instance Fianna Fail the Republican Party as they call themselves have no interest, it's a non issue, they realise other people views are different to theirs and they're not going to fight a battle they can't win. There's more pressing issues in the 'Free State' for them to deal with. Parties evolve over time, no current party in the Dail apart from SF will make a stand on this issue anymore.

moxin · 15-12-2013 02:28AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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No our flag. You embrace the Irish flag yes?

moxin · 15-12-2013 02:29AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

That's what they once stood for, for instance Fianna Fail the Republican Party as they call themselves have no interest, it's a non issue, they realise other people views are different to theirs and they're not going to fight a battle they can't win. There's more pressing issues in the 'Free State' for them to deal with. Parties evolve over time, no current party in the Dail apart from SF will make a stand on this issue anymore.

Name one party in the current Dail then that does not aspire to an United Ireland.

LordSutch · 15-12-2013 02:29AM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Very well. Derry is about as UK as Cork is btw. Derry is a proud city bursting with Irishness as was evident in the Fleadh Cheoil which brought in 400,000 visitors.

Talking of Derry, why was Derry the UK City of culture in 2013?

What's the criteria to be chosen as a City of culture?

curious. and who's been chosen for 2014?

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 02:36AM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Very well. Derry is about as UK as Cork is btw. Derry is a proud city bursting with Irishness as was evident in the Fleadh Cheoil which brought in 400,000 visitors.

Sure maybe cork will be next uk city of culture... Oh wait. The Londonderry "crop pies" as you love to say have doffed their cap and rightly accepted the British coin.

Sure you won't care as you aren't from here anyway uncles... Londonderry is a lovely place( not the city but the county where I live btw) not a big fan of the city to be honest. The old city is lovely but the rest is crap.

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 02:41AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Talking of Derry, why was Derry the UK City of culture in 2013?

What's the criteria to be chosen as a City of culture?

curious. and who's been chosen for 2014?

Uncles thinks cork is in with a shout obviously. (To qualify some of his uncles are from Londonderry so that makes him an expert don't ya know)

Ps. He likes to use the term "croppy" and "doffs his cap" in a lot of his posts.

He's not even from Northern Ireland. Weird.

moxin · 15-12-2013 02:41AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Sure maybe cork will be next uk city of culture... Oh wait. The Londonderry "crop pies" as you love to say have doffed their cap and rightly accepted the British coin.

Sure you won't care as you aren't from here anyway uncles... Londonderry is a lovely place( not the city but the county where I live btw) not a big fan of the city to be honest. The old city is lovely but the rest is crap.

Why can't you say Derry?

Karl Stein · 15-12-2013 02:42AM

timthumbni wrote: »

The Londonderry "crop pies" as you love to say have doffed their cap and rightly accepted the British coin.

Ah c'mon now Tim P, the bitterness is getting the better of you. If there's one thing the people of Derry taught Unionists and the British is that they don't take shit.

The spirit of Free Derry is alive and well.

Fred Swanson · 15-12-2013 02:42AM

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LordSutch · 15-12-2013 02:44AM

http://www.cityofculture2013.com/

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 02:44AM

moxin wrote: »

Why can't you say Derry?

I can say derry. There you go. I am not from the city though. I am from county Londonderry. What's the issue chum?

moxin · 15-12-2013 02:46AM

timthumbni wrote: »

I can say derry. There you go. I am not from the city though. I am from county Londonderry. What's the issue chum?

The Apprentice Boys say Derry alright mate. Why can you not say County Derry then?

WilyCoyote · 15-12-2013 02:47AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

South Africa isn't worldwide.

It may not be but why were World Leaders falling over themselves to be seen there ........... never mind being invited. But then again, the Ulster Unionists got some of their arms from the apartheid junta.

Karl Stein · 15-12-2013 02:47AM

moxin wrote: »

Why can't you say Derry?

It's a bit like calling Uluru 'Ayer's rock'. Derry is as Irish as any other Irish city and no amount of tagging colonial prefixes onto it can change that.

Fred Swanson · 15-12-2013 02:48AM

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WilyCoyote · 15-12-2013 02:51AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It's hard to find any coverage other than about Tutu at the moment. But it is possible that Adams requested to attend, not the other way round.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/59-world-leaders-will-attend-mandela-memorial-or-funeral-1.1621021?page=2

Sunday, December 15th - A state funeral will take place at Mandela’s home and final resting place at the family homestead in the village of Qunu in the Eastern Cape. This will be open to selected dignitaries and heads of state who request to attend.

Having our President there at the other ceremony was good enough for me. The leader of a minor oppostion party shouldn't be regarded as represeting the country.

I think "attending" and being chosen to be part of the guard are somewhat different. At least to most people.

Hannibal · 15-12-2013 02:51AM

padma wrote: »

30+ years of murder and bombing by the UVF, UDA, UFF, SAS, BA and other affiliated groups was not warranted either. There were two sides, however way you wish to look at it sutch.

Do you believe in the Good Friday agreement? and the peace process in general? Serious question? Because if you do, I believe you would have more diplomacy and a better grasp of what peace means to us all.

10 pages of discussion onwards and he still hasn't answered these questions you posed.
Then again what would you expect from someone who suffers from red white and blue tunnel vision and can't see the bigger picture and reality outside the tunnel.

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 02:52AM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Ah c'mon now Tim P, the bitterness is getting the better of you. If there's one thing the people of Derry taught Unionists and the British is that they don't take shit.

The spirit of Free Derry is alive and well.

Really??? I live about 30 miles away from the city in the county of Londonderry. I like the way you separate unionists from being British btw. You southern republican types will really scare me into a united ireland. Lolz.

Where can I vote Sinn Fein next????? L....o......l......l

republican armchair That's the 2 words that shoots into my mind whenever I hear "uncles" name. Ha.

Karl Stein · 15-12-2013 02:52AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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You could call me a Martian but it wouldn't mean I'm from Mars.

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 02:55AM

moxin wrote: »

The Apprentice Boys say Derry alright mate. Why can you not say County Derry then?

I don't think there ever was a county called derry. A city yes... But there never was a county called derry to my knowledge.

Karl Stein · 15-12-2013 02:58AM

timthumbni wrote: »

I like the way you separate unionists from being British btw.

I accept that you like to describe yourselves as British in the same way as I accept that Trekkies identify with Star Trek. You're about as British as I am Viking imo. The people who actually live in Britain (the island to the west of Ireland) think ye'r a mad bunch of Irishmen anyway and would drop ye like a hot potato if given half a chance.

That must not feel too good Tim I'd say - that the British would like rid of ye.

republican armchair That's the 2 words that shoots into my mind whenever I hear "uncles" name. Ha.

Don't be so childish. You're not doing a good job of representing moderate unionism.

moxin · 15-12-2013 02:58AM

timthumbni wrote: »

I don't think there ever was a county called derry. A city yes... But there never was a county called derry to my knowledge.

And..what's the problem saying County Derry then?

Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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