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Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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  • #512
    LordSutch
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    Nodin wrote: »
    They were too used to beating unarmed civillians around at the time.

    Remember Tarring & feathering (by the PIRA)? Knee cappings (by the PIRA(? Being shot in the head (by the PIRA)?

    The IRA were past masters at all of these, and Adams never ever condemned any of these actions (at the time).

    Unsavoury fella that he is.


  • #513
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yep, it was a war. That's what happens a lot of the time.

    Why do the provies bleat on about being shot then????

    A war of sorts perhaps ???? One where the ira were allowed to kill anything that moved but the tears came out when anyone shot back. Anyway if it was a war the biggest losers were the general public who just wanted to go about their daily business.

    I see the next generation of Irish republicans have learned well from the previous. Trying to kill children out shopping with their parents last night.

    It's like a sick republican Christmas card. Disgusting.


  • #514
    Fr. Ned
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    timthumbni wrote: »
    I see the next generation of Irish republicans have learned well from the previous. Trying to kill children out shopping with their parents last night.

    I suppose Adams is responsible for that too....


  • #515
    dxhound2005
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    timthumbni wrote: »
    Why do the provies bleat on about being shot then????

    A war of sorts perhaps ???? One where the ira were allowed to kill anything that moved but the tears came out when anyone shot back. Anyway if it was a war the biggest losers were the general public who just wanted to go about their daily business.

    I see the next generation of Irish republicans have learned well from the previous. Trying to kill children out shopping with their parents last night.

    It's like a sick republican Christmas card. Disgusting.

    Those shoppers showed a laissez faire disregard for their own security by going into a conflict situation.


  • #516
    Sunnyisland
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    timthumbni wrote: »
    Why do the provies bleat on about being shot then????

    A war of

    It's like a sick republican Christmas card. Disgusting.

    Republican? Learn how to spell dissident. As a Republican I take offence to tarring everyone that believes in the peace process a murderous gun toting criminal.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057104102,post by the syco.

    Like you wouldent have people thinking loyalist/unionist/pro british people are all the same would you ?


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  • #517
    Fr. Ned
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Those shoppers showed a laissez faire disregard for their own security by going into a conflict situation.

    Oh FFS!
    That's just pathetic.


  • #518
    coolhull
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    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Oh FFS!
    That's just pathetic.

    I think he was being sarcastic?


  • #519
    Fr. Ned
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    coolhull wrote: »
    I think he was being sarcastic?

    It's the dirty undertone and insinuation I object to.


  • #520
    coolhull
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    But aren't they the words Adams himself used in a slightly different context?


  • #521
    Fr. Ned
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    coolhull wrote: »
    But aren't they the words Adams himself used in a slightly different context?

    'slightly'???


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  • #522
    coolhull
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    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    'slightly'???

    Ok you're right


  • #523
    Two Flutes
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    Adams seems to be held in a higher regard worldwide then he is in Ireland.
    Picked to be in Mandelas guard of honor by the ANC


  • #524
    dxhound2005
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    Two Flutes wrote: »
    Adams seems to be held in a higher regard worldwide then he is in Ireland.
    Picked to be in Mandelas guard of honor by the ANC

    South Africa isn't worldwide.


  • #525
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    South Africa isn't worldwide.

    South Africa has worldwide attention and will be again tomorrow for the burial. World leaders are attending the funeral ffs.


  • #526
    Iwasfrozen
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    Two Flutes wrote: »
    Adams seems to be held in a higher regard worldwide then he is in Ireland.
    Picked to be in Mandelas guard of honor by the ANC
    They can have him. I say we trade him for Yolandi Visser.


  • #527
    dxhound2005
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    moxin wrote: »
    South Africa has worldwide attention and will be again tomorrow for the burial. World leaders are attending the funeral ffs.

    Adams isn't a world leader. I'd venture to say that 95% of the people in the world have never even heard of him.


  • #528
    LordSutch
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Those shoppers showed a laissez faire disregard for their own security by going into a conflict situation.
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    It's the dirty undertone and insinuation I object to.

    That does sound like something your^ Führer might say.


  • #529
    timthumbni
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    realies wrote: »
    Republican? Learn how to spell dissident. As a Republican I take offence to tarring everyone that believes in the peace process a murderous gun toting criminal.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057104102,post by the syco.

    Like you wouldent have people thinking loyalist/unionist/pro british people are all the same would you ?

    They are violent Irish republicans. They are no different in their aims or motives to the PIRA Yes they may be dissidents nowadays but what's the difference from the ira bombing from a few years back?

    Of course I realise that all "republicans" do not support violence nowadays.

    There is an unwritten code that republican refers in an Irish context to these who have in the past or do support violence. I know that's perhaps not accurate but thats the way most people in Nrn Ireland refer to it. Similarly on the unionist side violent unionists are referred to as loyalists.


  • #530
    whats the point
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    South Africa isn't worldwide.


    It speaks volumes that Gerry Adams was picked to be a guard of honor, for a man who fought against apartheid.


  • #531
    moxin
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Adams isn't a world leader. I'd venture to say that 95% of the people in the world have never even heard of him.

    Sure, why is he there then? He was invited by the ANC, they obviously have respect for him for that.

    No invite for FF, FG or Lab who branded the ANC as terrorists in the 80s and refused to back the Dunnes stores boycott strikers. Chickens have come home to roost.


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  • #532
    LordSutch
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    whats the point wrote: »
    It speaks volumes that Gerry Adams was picked to be a guard of honor, for a man who fought against apartheid.

    Maybe the ANC sign writer chose Adams? either way the ANC are a thoroughly currupt bunch of fellas, not unlike the Shinners, and I'm sure Adams felt right at home with them there hangers on (including the Fake sign writer).

    Mandela was in a class of his own.


  • #533
    Fr. Ned
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    That does sound like something your^ Führer might say.

    Because he'd be right.


  • #534
    Fr. Ned
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Maybe the ANC sign writer chose Adams? either way the ANC are a thoroughly currupt bunch of fellas, not unlike the Shinners, and I'm sure Adams felt right at home with them there hangers on (including the Fake sign writer).

    Mandela was in a class of his own.

    ROTFL!!!!!


  • #535
    dxhound2005
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    moxin wrote: »
    Sure, why is he there then? He was invited by the ANC, they obviously have respect for him for that.

    No invite for FF, FG or Lab who branded the ANC as terrorists in the 80s and refused to back the Dunnes stores boycott strikers. Chickens have come home to roost.

    It's hard to find any coverage other than about Tutu at the moment. But it is possible that Adams requested to attend, not the other way round.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/59-world-leaders-will-attend-mandela-memorial-or-funeral-1.1621021?page=2

    Sunday, December 15th - A state funeral will take place at Mandela’s home and final resting place at the family homestead in the village of Qunu in the Eastern Cape. This will be open to selected dignitaries and heads of state who request to attend.

    Having our President there at the other ceremony was good enough for me. The leader of a minor oppostion party shouldn't be regarded as represeting the country.


  • #536
    Sunnyisland
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Maybe the ANC sign writer chose Adams? either way the ANC are a thoroughly currupt bunch of fellas, not unlike the Shinners, and I'm sure Adams felt right at home with them there hangers on (including the Fake sign writer).

    Mandela was in a class of his own.

    So that's why World leaders were all there :rolleyes: really before it was known he was an invited guest a lot of people here would have you belive that there was no connection between mandela/ANC and SF/GA, Now that's it out in the open your saying the ANC are as bad as the shinners and mandela was out on his own,

    I do try and take different opinions from mine into consideration when reading threads,but some of you here need to stand back and look at the forest as your pure hatred is blinding you.imo.


  • #537
    Fr. Ned
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    It's hard to find any coverage other than about Tutu at the moment. But it is possible that Adams requested to attend, not the other way round.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/59-world-leaders-will-attend-mandela-memorial-or-funeral-1.1621021?page=2

    Sunday, December 15th - A state funeral will take place at Mandela’s home and final resting place at the family homestead in the village of Qunu in the Eastern Cape. This will be open to selected dignitaries and heads of state who request to attend.

    Having our President there at the other ceremony was good enough for me. The leader of a minor oppostion party shouldn't be regarded as represeting the country.

    He's not.
    He's representing Sinn Fein and the nationalist people they represent.


  • #538
    timthumbni
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    realies wrote: »
    So that's why World leaders were all there :rolleyes: really before it was known he was an invited guest a lot of people here would have you belive that there was no connection between mandela/ANC and SF/GA, Now that's it out in the open your saying the ANC are as bad as the shinners and mandela was out on his own,

    I do try and take different opinions from mine into consideration when reading threads,but some of you here need to stand back and look at the forest as your pure hatred is blinding you.imo.

    I see that Robert Mugabe was there as well. I would lump Adams in that same barrel of swill to be honest. That's me personally obviously but you see what I'm getting at.


  • #539
    whats the point
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭whats the point


    realies wrote: »
    So that's why World leaders were all there :rolleyes: really before it was known he was an invited guest a lot of people here would have you belive that there was no connection between mandela/ANC and SF/GA, Now that's it out in the open your saying the ANC are as bad as the shinners and mandela was out on his own,

    I do try and take different opinions from mine into consideration when reading threads,but some of you here need to stand back and look at the forest as your pure hatred is blinding you.imo.


    And on the other side you have the UFF commander Johnny Adair, doing documentaries with Nazi Nick and supporting Israel at the same time :pac:


  • #540
    LordSutch
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    realies wrote: »
    So that's why World leaders were all there :rolleyes:

    They were there for Mandela's funeral, Mandela being the man that ended apartheid in South Africa.
    realies wrote: »
    I do try and take different opinions from mine into consideration when reading threads,but some of you here need to stand back and look at the forest as your pure hatred is blinding you.imo.

    Hatred towards Adams and the IRA for sure, with far too many good people in the ground because of his movements dispicable actions, and the really awful thing is that he calmy claims that 'oh well that's what happens in war' or "they had a laissez faire disregard for their own security". Hopefully he'll get stranded there and the ANC will give him a job at something menial and back breaking.

    That's why some of us have a blind hatred for him.


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  • #541
    dxhound2005
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    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    He's not.
    He's representing Sinn Fein and the nationalist people they represent.

    Gerry Kelly would be a more appropriate representative in that case. He was in the IRA unlike Adams and he did some actual fighting (car bombing) and served time for it. But is now a politician in government. That matches the Mandela experience more than Adams who was only ever a politician.


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