Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 12:09AM

whats the point wrote: »

And on the other side you have the UFF commander Johnny Adair, doing documentaries with Nazi Nick and supporting Israel at the same time :pac:

As much as I hate loyalists paramilitaries I really can't see what relevance your post is to this thread. And I'm quite good at puzzles.

Were you trying to post in another thread per chance?????

Fr. Ned · 15-12-2013 12:10AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Gerry Kelly would be a more appropriate representative in that case. He was in the IRA unlike Adams and he did some actual fighting (car bombing) and served time for it. But is now a politician in government. That matches the Mandela experience more than Adams who was only ever a politician.

I said he was representing SF and nationalists.
Are you saying all nationalists were in the IRA?

whats the point · 15-12-2013 12:12AM

LordSutch wrote: »

They were there for Mandela's funeral, Mandela being the man that ended apartheid in South Africa.

Hatred towards Adams and the IRA for sure, with far too many good people in the ground because of his movements dispicable actions, and the really awful thing is that he calmy claims that 'oh well that's what happens in war' or "they had a laissez faire disregard for their own security". Hopefully h'll get stranded there and the ANC will give him a job at something menial and back breaking.

That's why some of us have a blind hatred for him.

How many people are in the ground because of the BA occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan? both wars began after the PIRA disarmed.

Fred Swanson · 15-12-2013 12:12AM

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LordSutch · 15-12-2013 12:12AM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I said he was representing SF and nationalists.
Are you saying all nationalists were in the IRA?

Most Nationalists are not Republicans, and Adams brand of Republicanism is not to be lauded.

Fr. Ned · 15-12-2013 12:13AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Most Nationalists are not Republicans, and Adams brand of Republicanism is not to be lauded.

In your opinion.

moxin · 15-12-2013 12:15AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It's hard to find any coverage other than about Tutu at the moment. But it is possible that Adams requested to attend, not the other way round.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/59-world-leaders-will-attend-mandela-memorial-or-funeral-1.1621021?page=2

Sunday, December 15th - A state funeral will take place at Mandela’s home and final resting place at the family homestead in the village of Qunu in the Eastern Cape. This will be open to selected dignitaries and heads of state who request to attend.

Having our President there at the other ceremony was good enough for me. The leader of a minor oppostion party shouldn't be regarded as represeting the country.

To add what Fr Ned said which is true, he didn't request himself to be a guard of honour, obviously the ANC organised the funeral and invited him to be the guard of honour for a reason. They didn't assign him to the general background audience, they obviously respected him to be at the frontline.

Banjo String · 15-12-2013 12:23AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The leader of a minor oppostion party shouldn't be regarded as represeting the country.

The leader of the mainstream coalition party governing a part of our island DX.

As someone from Dundalk (Louth) and as TD for Louth, he's representing you and your county.

The fact you don't like that is irrelevant. "Vote for some one else" next time if you ain't happy.

The world's media will be focusing on Gerry tomorrow. Quite an achievement for SF and the peace process if you ask me.

dxhound2005 · 15-12-2013 12:23AM

harryr711 wrote: »

Adams was invited to attend. Martin McGuinness was invited to and attended the memorial service on Tuesday along with most other political leaders.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-25302420

Thanks for clearing that up. If you google SABC Gerry Adams you only get a story about Martin McGuinness shaking hands with the Queen and before that Adams commenting on Margaret Thatchers death. Adams in South Africa is hardly headline news there. I would venture to say that 95% of South Africans haven't a clue who Adams is or what Sinn Fein is.

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/1d6818004bc584ee924d934e20b1a252/Britains-queen-shakes-hands-with-ex-IRA-chief-20122706

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 12:26AM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

In your opinion.

And mine.

Skylinehead · 15-12-2013 12:27AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Most Nationalists are not Republicans

I'm sorry? They're the same thing. Nationalists want a united Ireland. Republicans want a united Irish republic. Unless the majority of Irish nationalists want a form of government other than a republic, which I find very hard to believe, then you're talking balls.

padma · 15-12-2013 12:29AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhsBhEBWM3M

Fred Swanson · 15-12-2013 12:29AM

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whats the point · 15-12-2013 12:29AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that up. If you google SABC Gerry Adams you only get a story about Martin McGuinness shaking hands with the Queen and before that Adams commenting on Margaret Thatchers death. Adams in South Africa is hardly headline news there. I would venture to say that 95% of South Africans haven't a clue who Adams is or what Sinn Fein is.

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/1d6818004bc584ee924d934e20b1a252/Britains-queen-shakes-hands-with-ex-IRA-chief-20122706

Does it matter if 95% of South Africa doesn't know who he is? the fact is Mandela wanted him.

Skylinehead · 15-12-2013 12:30AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Where did I mention Adams there? Want to read my post and the post I quoted, and you might make some sense.

Banjo String · 15-12-2013 12:31AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Enda Kenny doesn't represent approx 75% of Irish folks.

What's your point

dxhound2005 · 15-12-2013 12:32AM

Skylinehead wrote: »

I'm sorry? They're the same thing. Nationalists want a united Ireland. Republicans want a united Irish republic. Unless the majority of Irish nationalists want a form of government other than a republic, which I find very hard to believe, then you're talking balls.

People are getting what was agreed and voted on in 1998.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/23/newsid_2504000/2504387.stm

Fr. Ned · 15-12-2013 12:33AM

whats the point wrote: »

Does it matter if 95% of South Africa doesn't know who he is? the fact is Mandela wanted him.

And didn't ask for gilmore, kenny, paisley etc etc to be there.

Sunnyisland · 15-12-2013 12:39AM

timthumbni wrote: »

I see that Robert Mugabe was there as well. I would lump Adams in that same barrel of swill to be honest. That's me personally obviously but you see what I'm getting at.

All I see from your posts is hatred of everything GA//SF,while being understandable you being a mild unionist an all it's also regrettable, I certainally never agreed with David Erving,Gusty spence or Gary mc Michael,but did see the good they tried to bring to loyalist working class areas of NI and what they brought into the GFA.just can't see where your hatred is getting you or yours anywhere.

LordSutch wrote: »

That's why some of us have a blind hatred for him.

Lord sutch your hatered of every single action taken by republicans from the 1916 rising to the present makes me wonder why you still live down here and not up in east of Antrim where you might feel more happy and surrounded by like minded people like yourself.

Ps have lived in NI for years,family still lives there, lost relative to Loyalist/British goverment killing/murder/terrorism /war etc .

And goodnight to you all.

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 12:54AM

realies wrote: »

All I see from your posts is hatred of everything GA//SF,while being understandable you being a mild unionist an all it's also regrettable, I certainally never agreed with David Erving,Gusty spence or Gary mc Michael,but did see the good they tried to bring to loyalist working class areas of NI and what they brought into the GFA.just can't see where your hatred is getting you or yours anywhere.

Lord sutch your hatered of every single action taken by republicans from the 1916 rising to the present makes me wonder why you still live down here and not up in east of Antrim where you might feel more happy and surroundeMd by like minded people like yourself.

Ps have lived in NI for years,family still lives there, lost relative to Loyalist/British goverment killing/murder/terrorism /war etc .

And goodnight to you all.

What good did irvine and gusty etc bring to,their areas again? In fact what good did Gerry bring to the good people of west Belfast again????????? Absolutely nothing. Anyone with a brain leaves west Belfast as soon as they can.

Ps. I've lived in Northern Ireland all my life. The IrA have murdered many of my friends and relatives. All for what????

Skylinehead · 15-12-2013 12:59AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Ps. I've lived in Northern Ireland all my life. The IrA have murdered many of my friends and relatives. All for what????

I don't support the IRA, but...equality? The North is a hell of a lot better than it was 50 years ago.

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 01:19AM

realies wrote: »

All I see from your posts is hatred of everything GA//SF,while being understandable you being a mild unionist an all it's also regrettable, I certainally never agreed with David Erving,Gusty spence or Gary mc Michael,but did see the good they tried to bring to loyalist working class areas of NI and what they brought into the GFA.just can't see where your hatred is getting you or yours anywhere.

I have a healthy hatred of SF politicians as they are a bunch of low life's for the most part. I have experienced them all my life so I know what I'm talking about.

I would say the same about the loyalists political parties such as the pup etc but no one on the unionist side votes for them aside from a few freaks.

Sinn Fein have brought nothing but a dependence on welfare for large swathes of west Belfast. Job done for them I suppose.

NuckingFacker · 15-12-2013 01:21AM

Seeing as he was "never in the ira", I'm guessing he was neither....officially.

Frank Black · 15-12-2013 01:24AM

Skylinehead wrote: »

I don't support the IRA, but...equality? The North is a hell of a lot better than it was 50 years ago.

No thanks to Gerry and his crew of murdering scumbags.

Nodin · 15-12-2013 01:25AM

LordSutch wrote: »

They were there for Mandela's funeral, Mandela being the man that ended apartheid in South Africa.

Hatred towards Adams and the IRA for sure, with far too many good people in the ground because of his movements dispicable actions, and the really awful thing is that he calmy claims that 'oh well that's what happens in war' or "they had a laissez faire disregard for their own security". Hopefully he'll get stranded there and the ANC will give him a job at something menial and back breaking.

That's why some of us have a blind hatred for him.

No, it's solely because you're a dyed in the wool unionist. You have it in for the lads of 1916, the lads who fought in the war of independence....

Tramps Like Us · 15-12-2013 01:28AM

timthumbni wrote: »

I have a healthy hatred of SF politicians as they are a bunch of low life's for the most part. I have experienced them all my life so I know what I'm talking about.

I would say the same about the loyalists political parties such as the pup etc but no one on the unionist side votes for them aside from a few freaks.

Sinn Fein have brought nothing but a dependence on welfare for large swathes of west Belfast. Job done for them I suppose.

I think we are starting to get to the nub of the issue with you

No unionist like a big house one

Nodin · 15-12-2013 01:31AM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

I think we are starting to get to the nub of the issue with you

No unionist like a big house one

They've held a grudge since they had to take up shooting Grouse to replace Fenian season.

LordSutch · 15-12-2013 01:32AM

Nodin wrote: »

No, it's solely because you're a dyed in the wool unionist.

I think that you'll find that Adams brand of Republicanism would be at odds with Fine Gael, Fianna Fail, The Labour Party, and the SDLP. Obviously Unionist Ireland would also be at odds with Adams past wrong doing and association with the Provisional IRA, who were let's face it a 'Proscribed Terrorist Organisation'.

You are an apologist for the Provisional IRA, so I guess you will never see eye to eye with non IRA supporting folk like me.

timthumbni · 15-12-2013 01:37AM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

I think we are starting to get to the nub of the issue with you

No unionist like a big house one

Hmm. Considering I earn about 17 grand a year I would be surprised to be described as a big house unionist. Oh and I rent too (and it's not a big house) btw. Suspect you aren't columbo when it comes to deductions.....

Nodin · 15-12-2013 01:39AM

LordSutch wrote: »

I think that (......)Organisation'..

Yep. That's not why you're agin them though. Its because you're a unionist.

Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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