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Help me please,, school principle making my child out to be a liar unfairly

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  • #62
    saltyjack silverblade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 480 ✭✭saltyjack silverblade


    I cannot believe criminal law has been suggested to regulate the behaviour of 7 year olds in the school yard. I am actually shocked. Besides criminal law doesn't apply to children under 12. Unless they murder. And judging by the behaviour of this 7 year old boy, I can see it in his future. Most criminals start out in the school yard aged 7.

    Seriously put your hysteria aside and (cannot believe I am saying this to an adult) act your age!


  • #63
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,615 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    It is very difficult to tell from the OP's post, what actually was said, by his daughter, to the teacher, to the principal, by the teacher and by the principal.. that is why the ONLY step the OP should be making right now is making an appointment to meet both the teacher and principal together, to discuss what he thinks happened (as per his daughter) and what they think happened, as per what they've been told by his daughter, him, other kids, yard teacher etc.

    As already mentioned, this could be a very simple case of crossed-wires/miscommunication. That can easily be resolved.

    If nothing comes of this meeting, or the OP is not satisfied with the response, THEN go to the board of management. If still not satisfied THEN go to the Dept. If still not satisfied THEN and only then consider a solicitors letter. But I would genuinely and sincerely hope that this would never have to be an option for an incident (2) between a 6 & 7 year old.


  • #64
    hotbabe1992
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭hotbabe1992


    I cannot believe criminal law has been suggested to regulate the behaviour of 7 year olds in the school yard.

    You have no concept of legal practices and procedures,or what type of law would be used,i never once suggested the criminal law route,i suggested a civil route.


  • #65
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    saltyjack silverblade wrote: »
    I cannot believe criminal law has been suggested to regulate the behaviour of 7 year olds in the school yard. I am actually shocked. Besides criminal law doesn't apply to children under 12. Unless they murder. And judging by the behaviour of this 7 year old boy, I can see it in his future. Most criminals start out in the school yard aged 7.

    Seriously put your hysteria aside and (cannot believe I am saying this to an adult) act your age!

    She suggested civil law, not a criminal conviction. Calm down.


  • #66
    saltyjack silverblade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 480 ✭✭saltyjack silverblade


    An assault is criminal. A battery is is civil. I am calm. Have been since this issue arose.


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  • #67
    hotbabe1992
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭hotbabe1992


    It is possible to go down the civil route with assault as long as it wasnt intended to be life threatening,you can sue , ie look for damages,lets say if you were injured you could look at the book of quantum for a guideline.OR,which would most likely happen in this case you would be advised to look for a remedy seeming the school did not and has yet to be forced in their hand to take appropriate action as deemed by the courts.


  • #68
    saltyjack silverblade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 480 ✭✭saltyjack silverblade


    hotbabe1992 wrote: »
    You have no concept of legal practices and procedures,or what type of law would be used,i never once suggested the criminal law route,i suggested a civil route.

    I do understand the law and I am a qualified lawyer. I currently undertaking a PhD in law.

    You suggested a specific performance claim-that is not an option as it is a contract remedy.
    You suggested litigation- for what exactly? No judge is going to entertain the concept of a school yard row for 7 year olds. You have only heard one side of this from the OP. The school is in a better position to handle it. The courts are not going to award damages against a school on grounds of public policy. The school system was shut down because they would be afraid to act for fear of litigation.
    As I said before you discuss assault, that is a criminal issue-the children being under 12 are not going to be prosecuted.

    There is no case.


  • #69
    saltyjack silverblade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 480 ✭✭saltyjack silverblade


    hotbabe1992 wrote: »
    It is possible to go down the civil route with assault as long as it wasnt intended to be life threatening,you can sue , ie look for damages,lets say if you were injured you could look at the book of quantum for a guideline.OR,which would most likely happen in this case you would be advised to look for a remedy seeming the school did not and has yet to be forced in their hand to take appropriate action as deemed by the courts.

    Please answer these questions as I am trying to understand what you are on about.

    1. Who do you think could be sued here?
    2. What remedy are you on about?
    3. Do you know what the book of quantum is or is it something you have heard about?
    4. What remedy can the court hand to a parent to make a school act?


  • #70
    hotbabe1992
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭hotbabe1992


    Im not suggesting the school be sued,im suggesting a legal remedy the school have not to date carried out their duty of care to the child and also didnt fill out the incident form or even acknowledge what had taken place,they seem to think they will do well to brush it under the carpet.Their lack of appropriate response speaks volumes.

    1. I dont think anybody should be sued.
    2. Im talking about specific performance an injunction maybe to compel them to carry out their duty which they according to the OP havent done.
    3.I know about the book of quantum it is a guidline for those who suffered injuries and what they should expect to get in terms of damages.
    4. Im thinking specific performance would be a good place to start.


  • #71
    saltyjack silverblade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 480 ✭✭saltyjack silverblade


    Please google Dunning Kruger.


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  • #72
    burgermasters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭burgermasters


    Just want to let you know guys as I haven't been back on this, that I again went calmly back to the school spoke to the principal with my child with me and asked the principal again if infact the little boy was taken down to my daughter to say sorry and it was admitted by the principal that she lied, she than apoligised to me and my wife, she said she knew nothing of the first time with the eye and I told her yet again that I was informed by my daughters teacher that the principal was told and has dealt with it,

    again the principal said she knew nothing of this so I asked why was I told by the person who I am supposed to trust with my child every day that it was handled by the principal when it wasn't??? again I was told well I am sorry but I will speak to the said teacher about it... and just to point out a few things for some of the posters here

    1. I went to the school calm at all stages
    2.Bullying is bullying no matter what
    3.my daughter has been in that same school 3 years and we get nothing but praise not 1 complaint


    Thanks for all the support and helpful advise guys.


  • #73
    burgermasters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭burgermasters


    goz83 wrote: »
    An assault has occurred? Please.....it is a bit of a stretch to say this. But maybe it's just me that sees this as perhaps kids being kids and a school making a small error and a parent losing his cool over it temporarily.

    I would imagine most legal eagles would love to hear all about it......then laugh through his/her lunch break as they lodge the cheque the parent just handed over for the advice that has already been given here; try the school again and if it is not resolved, go through the complaints process.

    Anyone have the number for Judge Judy?

    I did not lose my cool at all,, maybe not every one is a lose cannon
    Ill admit I was annoyed but I was in fact calm.. maybe ask before assuming next time


  • #74
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Seems Op has the info they needed, locking thread.


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