Help me please,, school principle making my child out to be a liar unfairly

pooch90

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

2 children were involved in this physical bullying episode.

Where does is say 2 kids were culpable?

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

None of the parents were informed.

How do you know?

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

i thought legal action by way of remedy to compel the school to take a certain action may very well be the way forward,considering the level of the lack of co-operation the parent of this bullied child is dealing with.

Dragging everything out for months and upsetting the little girl even more?
As opposed to talking to the staff again?



The meaning of the word bullying has completely been lost nowadays.
Bullying is a sustained, ongoing behaviour. Two incidents does not fall into this.

spurious

The two boys with the same first name excuse is a load of me barney as we say in the trade. Any teacher worth their salt would know which of two Johns or Billys or Marys was likely to have struck another child, especially on a repeat basis.

I find it unusual that it seems the school has not followed any of the recognised procedures other schools would and do follow.

clairefontaine

They can't inform the parents if they haven't bothered taking steps to identify the child so I would assume not.

hotbabe1992

Dragging everything out for months and upsetting the little girl even more?
As opposed to talking to the staff again?

Oh by all means talk to the staff again - but given their intial response i would say this could not go as smooth as one would be likely to think.

No solutions were offered at the first meeting with the principal. Things aren't looking good.

I dont know why you are dead set against some sort of legal remedy im not talking about months in a court room or anything like that,this could easily be settled on the court room steps where the court just outlines what appropriate action should be taken and what penalties are in place for not taking such an action..

clairefontaine

Id start with an official letter of complaint to the Dep of ED, cc a copy to the board of management.

The schools lack of response is irresponsible.

H3llR4iser

One simple question: why everybody assumes the school is lying about the first episode being an accident with an hula hoop?

pooch90

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

I dont know why you are dead set against some sort of legal remedy

It's completely over the top and ridiculous. Simply put.

hotbabe1992

No its not.

If the school is not taking action on this,someone has to compel them to do so.

byhookorbycrook

clairefontaine wrote: »

Id start with an official letter of complaint to the Dep of ED, cc a copy to the board of management.

The schools lack of response is irresponsible.

The first thing the DES will do is tell the OP to follow the agreed complaints procedure.

clairefontaine

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

The first thing the DES will do is tell the OP to follow the agreed complaints procedure.

What are you supposed to do if the school principal is not responding? They haven't even had the girl identify the boy who did it?

Its pretty evident they are trying to brush it off.

goz83

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

That is the understatement of the year,yes a child hit another child,2 children were involved in this physical bullying episode.

None of the parents were informed. No meetings initiated etc.

I think going down a legal route,just a suggestion you dont have to take it on board or anything,but i thought legal action by way of remedy to compel the school to take a certain action may very well be the way forward,considering the level of the lack of co-operation the parent of this bullied child is dealing with.

You don't know for sure any of what you have posted above, as the OP situation is not clear. We are not even sure how he approached the school. It might have been all guns blazing, or a calm chat with the teacher/principal. A legal remedy at such an early stage is an absolutely terrible idea. It would be so much worse for everyone. Seriously, look at what you are writing and pretend the words are not yours. You might see how mad the suggestion is.

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

Oh by all means talk to the staff again - but given their intial response i would say this could not go as smooth as one would be likely to think.

No solutions were offered at the first meeting with the principal. Things aren't looking good.

I dont know why you are dead set against some sort of legal remedy im not talking about months in a court room or anything like that,this could easily be settled on the court room steps where the court just outlines what appropriate action should be taken and what penalties are in place for not taking such an action..

You should have just written the first line and left it there. Settle 2 incidents of a child hitting (perhaps by accident) another child. Now there's a block buster. Put it in the Sunday World while you're at it.

clairefontaine wrote: »

Id start with an official letter of complaint to the Dep of ED, cc a copy to the board of management.

The schools lack of response is irresponsible.

It would appear, that the schools lack of response has been inadequate, but we don't yet have details. I would urge the OP to give the school another try, setting up a meeting to discuss this and explain why he is upset about the situation.

If that fails, then it could be taken further, but I wouldn't see this ending on the steps of the courts as someone else suggested. At that rate, half the students in Irish schools would be spending time in Juvi

hotbabe1992

A legal remedy at such an early stage is an absolutely terrible idea.

Its not early stages now - by all means i would say go back and see if you can iron things out,but if that doesnt work a legal remedy might be the ticket.

If that fails, then it could be taken further, but I wouldn't see this ending on the steps of the courts as someone else suggested. At that rate, half the students in Irish schools would be spending time in Juvi

Im suggesting the first meeting has been a complete failure - no solutions have been made,and nothing has even been acknowledged or sorted out.

You seem to think that the kids would end up in juvi - you clearly have no clue as to how legal remedies would work.

clairefontaine

First attempts have failed.

I think there is a middle step somewhere between first step and legal step.if you send in a solicitors letter, they will get defensive, circle their wagons and deny everything.

Furthermore, they might end up taking it out in your child later in more subtle ways. So be careful.

I would insist she be allowed to identify the child, that you are informed when the parents have been told, and what consequences there are if any.

Also, if this child is in the same class, insist that if it happens again your daughter be moved to another classroom.

pooch90

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

you clearly have no clue as to how legal remedies would work.

Nor you with how a formal complaints procedure works

hotbabe1992

I didnt say dont go down the formal complaints procedure line,or not have another meeting,im saying that the legal option is there is if all else fails..

Why be a prude and say no no its sueing its going to end up in juvi blah blah blah you dont have an iota of how the civil legal route works.

You can go for a remedy or sue. The obvious choice would be a remedy to compel the school to take action.

goz83

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

Its not early stages now - by all means i would say go back and see if you can iron things out,but if that doesnt work a legal remedy might be the ticket.



Im suggesting the first meeting has been a complete failure - no solutions have been made,and nothing has even been acknowledged or sorted out.

You seem to think that the kids would end up in juvi - you clearly have no clue as to how legal remedies would work.

You obviously have no clue what tongue-in-cheek sarcasm looks like. God help your children if another child accidentally brushes up against them. I can see a dozen solicitors walking behind them already.

A legal remedy WOULD be absolutely a thick headed idea right now, as to begin with, a formal complaint must be made. You don't just go banging out solicitors letters and then demand the school pays. If the school pays, who really pays? That's right, the parents and the tax payers. And the the child is either treated like an outcast, or has to move school.

hotbabe1992

A legal remedy WOULD be absolutely a thick headed idea right now,

No i dont see how a remedy to compel the school to take appropriate action would be a bad idea,i think it is a good option to have available.
As it is the school has taken no action,and it would compel them to take action otherwise there would be penalties incurred.
Like i said to the other poster,this can be a means of a last resort,legal action should not be overlooked.It doesnt mean dozens of solicitors as you dramatically put it,it doesnt mean sueing and it doesnt mean your child will be an outcast either.I think you are having an awful over reaction to this.

goz83

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

No i dont see how a remedy to compel the school to take appropriate action would be a bad idea

Exactly, you don't see the consequences. Blow your food before you eat it. It might be burny :rolleyes:

hotbabe1992

If the school is going to try and brush this off,i see it as a problem that wont be resolved.

I think legal action should be a last resort,but an option nonetheless.

To completley rule this out is being unreasonable.

goz83

You're now saying last resort, but as you were putting it so strongly it seemed like you were promoting it as a must and all other suggestions were secondary. Because of all this health and safety and over protection, kids aren't even allowed to run in the yard anymore. total BS.

hotbabe1992

I was promoting it as an option,i wasnt saying it was a first option anywhere.

goz83

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

The schools attitude is not okay,and you need to take action and take more initiative on this.

As you say yourself sitting and waiting it out is not good enough whats next stitches or even worse.

Kids can be very cruel,and something needs to be done about this,where are the consequences for the young boys involved to send out the message this is not okay.?


If this charade continues and the school principal doesnt clean up the act,threaten legal action,you can always go down a civil route,and incur the expenses of the letter on them also for your trouble.You can discuss how you would go about this in a legal letter with a solicitor.

In certain situations you can do this,and i think this is one,as you were clearly wronged,so i would avail of it.

This was your first post. Didn't come across as an option, but rather a recommendation playing with the parents fear and anger.

seavill

Ok we get it one of ye thinks legal action is a first/last resort action, the other doesn't think its a good idea at all.

We get it

hotbabe1992

This was your first post. Didn't come across as an option, but rather a recommendation playing with the parents fear and anger.

Where in that post did i say it was a first option,i said if the charade continues,ie persists in the face of everything i said maybe legal action would be a good idea.
I dont see why it should be shot down everytime i mention it,kids going to juvy was even mentioned at some stage by another poster which would not be the outcome with a remedy.

Now hold on a minute you are being completley unfair and over reacting when you try to suggest im playing with another persons fear or anger,thats not my intention at all.Take that back.

Stop being so unreasonable,legal action should be seen as an option you know its not all about sueing,its about justice and solutions to bring about justice.


Which is clearly not being done.

saltyjack silverblade

As a lawyer I would love to see the argument being made in front of a judge- he hit her on 2 different occasions and the school didn't make him say sorry and they denied that it may have happened. I would drive anywhere to see that case before a judge.

People are talking about legal action to compel the schools to do something. There is a small amount of precedence on this through administrative and judicial review case law where the courts say they cannot intervene in every act. I remember there was one case where a child insulted a teacher and he was suspended. The father complained and the courts agreed with the school. If I remember correctly the judge was scathing of the child's attitude and the parents supporting him.

Not every action is a law suit or a legal situation-watch your Judge Judy folks.

nick 56

contact the National Parents Council

I used to be in this , it is possible your school / parents association is registered and has a rep.

The help line number is 01 887 4477

Goggle them http://www.npc.ie

They have advised parents for 20 odd years with problems like yours.

Nick

clairefontaine

saltyjack silverblade wrote: »

As a lawyer I would love to see the argument being made in front of a judge- he hit her on 2 different occasions and the school didn't make him say sorry and they denied that it may have happened. I would drive anywhere to see that case before a judge.

People are talking about legal action to compel the schools to do something. There is a small amount of precedence on this through administrative and judicial review case law where the courts say they cannot intervene in every act. I remember there was one case where a child insulted a teacher and he was suspended. The father complained and the courts agreed with the school. If I remember correctly the judge was scathing of the child's attitude and the parents supporting him.

Not every action is a law suit or a legal situation-watch your Judge Judy folks.

It would depend on the severity of the consequences. That child has a swollen eye from a punch. It is assault with bodily harm technically.

Far cry from insulting a teacher and getting a suspension.

hotbabe1992

As a lawyer I would love to see the argument being made in front of a judge- he hit her on 2 different occasions and the school didn't make him say sorry and they denied that it may have happened. I would drive anywhere to see that case before a judge.

1. An assault has occured.

2. Nothing was done about it.

3. School trying to brush it off / cover it up.


Something could be done,an injunction or specific performance to compel the school to take appropriate action.


I think any legal eagle would see in favour of the wronged victim here.

vamos!

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

1. An assault has occured.

2. Nothing was done about it.

3. School trying to brush it off / cover it up.


Something could be done,an injunction or specific performance to compel the school to take appropriate action.


I think any legal eagle would see in favour of the wronged victim here.

Perhaps Ally Mc Beal might investigate. Has you child ever fallen over, fallen off a swing or tripped over the hoover? Have you been done for child neglect because of it?
The school needs to investigate and make sure the incidents aren't related to bullying. Odds are one was an accident and the other may or may not have been on purpose but 7 year olds still do things like that on occasion.If they are isolated incidents it s very unfortunate that the poor child got hurt.

Threatening legal action and going in all guns blazing is complete and utter lunacy. Should teachers call social services if a child forgets their lunch once or if they have a once-off cut sustained by fighting with their little brother? The teacher on the year might just have seen the incident as an accident. As a parent you hardly want to be contacted every time your child is involved in a minor incident? You would resent having to leave work to collect them over minor falls or a swollen eye.

I understand parents loving their children and being concerned for them but seriously I dread to think of the pampered monsters some of the posters here are raising. I really hope they don't end up in my 1st year class a few years down the line!

goz83

hotbabe1992 wrote: »

1. An assault has occured.

2. Nothing was done about it.

3. School trying to brush it off / cover it up.


Something could be done,an injunction or specific performance to compel the school to take appropriate action.


I think any legal eagle would see in favour of the wronged victim here.

An assault has occurred? Please.....it is a bit of a stretch to say this. But maybe it's just me that sees this as perhaps kids being kids and a school making a small error and a parent losing his cool over it temporarily.

I would imagine most legal eagles would love to hear all about it......then laugh through his/her lunch break as they lodge the cheque the parent just handed over for the advice that has already been given here; try the school again and if it is not resolved, go through the complaints process.

Anyone have the number for Judge Judy?