First time on luas!

Larianne · 03-11-2013 01:27PM

hfallada wrote: »

Does anyone know why it was built in the first place? When you think of Tallaght, you don't think of an amazing place to live. At least with the Dublin metro, although it was the GDP of an African nation it would have connected the airport with the city centre.

Maybe because it's a highly populated area?

No idea why they never made a connection to the airport though with either Luas DART or train. Bit silly.

kneemos · 03-11-2013 01:28PM

This is what you need for fare dodgers.

atomoh · 03-11-2013 01:33PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Apart from the fare evasion its a very nice system, and the trams are state of the art.
Will be very interesting to see the Red line connected to the Green line!

And they are constantly filthy, at least the red line, something they have in common with the Dublin Bus. But that's mostly down to the people to behave as civilized, I guess.
Besides, there must be some problem with the language since nobody, skangers or professionals, seems to understand what "seats are not for feet" means. Again, just like on the Dublin Bus.

road_high · 03-11-2013 09:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Surely they could have done something similar, with barriers or gates. The cost of erecting them would be made back in people actually paying their fares!

Always said the same. Could hardly be that hard in fairness.

Rod Serling · 03-11-2013 10:01PM

I would love the luas stops to have barriers. Or just capable inspectors.

I've never once gotten the luas without a ticket and sometimes I feel sick as I've often gotten it one or two stops and thought about how easy it'd be to have paid nothing, but I'd be the one who'd get caught and prosecuted :rolleyes: Still though, I get it often enough and very rarely see inspectors. Red line, Red Cow to Jervis. I've also never seen a Bus inspector in my life.

atomoh wrote: »

And they are constantly filthy, at least the red line

Disagree, I've been riding it regularly since I was 14, so 7 years, and aside from the odd leftover bottle, I never see anything to rival the state of Dublin Bus or the DART for rubbish on the Luas. Never any stupid graffiti on it either which is great.

dirtyden · 03-11-2013 10:17PM

road_high wrote: »

Always said the same. Could hardly be that hard in fairness.

Anywhere I have seen a tram system it has been run similarly, hop on and hop off, no barriers. I like the Luas, its just a pity there are not more lines. Any time I need to go to Dublin I park at red cow and get luas in. Very handy and great value for parking/tram. Also get to see some of the lovlier parts of dub like rialto and drimnagh.

I have not really noticed much fare evasion, everyone at stop bought tickets form what I could see, never seen an inspector either though.

WoollyRedHat · 03-11-2013 11:08PM

JustAddWater wrote: »

Because it's not underground?

They should put it underground... dig a hole and put it down there.

Thargor · 03-11-2013 11:09PM

How do you get on a Dublin Bus without paying though? Does the driver just stare at you while you walk past him or something?

WoollyRedHat · 03-11-2013 11:12PM

Thargor wrote: »

How do you get on a Dublin Bus without paying though? Does the driver just stare at you while you walk past him or something?

Nah he crashes the bus constantly until you get off.

Untouchable Peasant · 03-11-2013 11:20PM

This is what things will look like when folks get on the new proposed crosscity Luas stop at Phibsborough and encounter some Cabra residents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9c4hCJZhx8

bnt · 03-11-2013 11:30PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Will be very interesting to see the Red line connected to the Green line!

Eh? The lines will cross, but they won't be any more "connected" than they are at the moment. The people who currently use the Green Line are going to destinations on that line, and that's not going to change, is it?

IK09 · 04-11-2013 10:57AM

The 1st time i ever used it i thought it was free. Being from the country I thought it was just a public service for the Capital. Got on, got to my stop, exited. Went home tellin my mam about how great the public transport was in the big smoke. I was genuinely happy to see the gov provide such a great service.

pappe · 02-12-2013 04:30PM

The top luas objective (proudly nailed at the front and back driver door) is providing a pleasant and safe journey to passengers. However in red line luas which I take on a daily basis it is literally impossible to feel safe and to be happy of the journey.
I see inspectors in orange vests nearly every day, but they simply skip and let problematic people go (the problematic people are the ones that never pay the fare, the ones that eat inside leaving leftovers on floor, the ones that vandalise rear window of luas, the ones that put feet on the 2 front seats, the ones that annoy passengers if sitting nearby, the ones that are often coming in all together as a full gang of teenagers etc) and inspectors spend time and effort to prosecute decent people in case a leapcard has not been tagged or similar.
It is clear then that inspectors target is making money from decent people rather than providing a pleasant journey to everyone!
Is it fair? Why certain people are prosecuted if they don’t pay (or forget to tag) and others not? Especially considering that journey will never be really safe and pleasant?

anncoates · 02-12-2013 04:54PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Red Line = Free Junkie Transport

As if students and lots of other types don't evade fares.

Don't try and spoof me either, I get it every day.

lazza14 · 02-12-2013 05:22PM

I sometimes do it,when I go home to dublin I pay €2 + to get into town on the DART , and then I need to go 2 stops to Ranelaigh to play tennis - sorry but another €2 isn't justifiable.

There needs to be a transfer system, In Spain it would be all less then a €1 and transfer included.

And I don't consider myself a scumbag, but it's overpriced.

syklops · 02-12-2013 05:51PM

lazza14 wrote: »

I sometimes do it,when I go home to dublin I pay €2 + to get into town on the DART , and then I need to go 2 stops to Ranelaigh to play tennis - sorry but another €2 isn't justifiable.

There needs to be a transfer system,

There is if you have a leap card. Get a leap card. Simples.

dj jarvis · 02-12-2013 06:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Surely they could have done something similar, with barriers or gates. The cost of erecting them would be made back in people actually paying their fares!

no tram system i have ever seen around the world has a barrier system

Ireland is no different - and its not just Ireland this happens - when i lived in Germany , i would see it all the time

Foxhound38 · 02-12-2013 06:14PM

As someone saddled with using the red-line every day - personally I can't wait for the lines to be joined up so the well-heeled green-liners can be subjected to the junkie express (and all that entails) themselves - then we might actually see something done about the problem

Don't Chute! · 02-12-2013 06:15PM

lazza14 wrote: »

I sometimes do it,when I go home to dublin I pay €2 + to get into town on the DART , and then I need to go 2 stops to Ranelaigh to play tennis - sorry but another €2 isn't justifiable.

There needs to be a transfer system, In Spain it would be all less then a €1 and transfer included.

And I don't consider myself a scumbag, but it's overpriced.

You don't think it's justifiable? Ah well then its ok not to pay.

lazza14 · 02-12-2013 06:16PM

I will investigate these leap cards so ...

awec · 02-12-2013 06:18PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

As someone saddled with using the red-line every day - personally I can't wait for the lines to be joined up so the well-heeled green-liners can be subjected to the junkie express (and all that entails) themselves - then we might actually see something done about the problem

Ah no I hadn't thought of this.

Saw a fare dodger getting put off the green line the other day for the first time since i've been using the luas (about 3 years).

Don't Chute! · 02-12-2013 06:20PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

No barriers on the underground in Berlin.
The antics in Dublin just reflect the criminality widespread in Irish society

I was in Nice a couple of years ago and they have the exact same setup even the trams are exactly the same. Was there for five days and saw at least one fare evasion incident every day so your comment is absolute nonsense.

chopper6 · 02-12-2013 06:20PM

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/luas-fare-cheats-hit-with-fines-of-455000-26323536.html

Whilst prosecution levels are relatively low, they do happen.

"Should you be prosecuted you will get a criminal conviction and a fine of up to €600," the spokesperson said.

This is completely untrue...fare evading is a civil matter,not criminal.

languagenerd · 02-12-2013 06:40PM

What really annoys me is that if you make a simple mistake with your ticket, you'll get a fine while the scumbags who just don't bother their arse buying one are left alone.

I saw an older man get a fine once because he didn't realise a return had to be the same day (he'd got off the train at Heuston and then got on the Luas, thinking he could use a return ticket on his way back to Heuston the next day), while on the same tram, two skangers openly told the inspector "Ahh I jus' didn' buy one today, bud, y'know" and he just turned a blind eye. Someone else I know was given a fine when their Leap card hadn't tagged properly (they thought it had) and, again, on the same tram, a young wan who told the inspectors to feck off cause she didn't have one was waved on.

One rule for people who look decent and law-abiding, one rule for the aggressive skangers who can apparently do what they like in this country... :mad:

(Though, in fairness, they've recently been clamping down on people drinking on the trams during the day, even putting a tram out of service until the angry junkies got off... maybe things will change!)

homeless student · 02-12-2013 08:04PM

languagenerd wrote: »

What really annoys me is that if you make a simple mistake with your ticket, you'll get a fine while the scumbags who just don't bother their arse buying one are left alone.

I saw an older man get a fine once because he didn't realise a return had to be the same day (he'd got off the train at Heuston and then got on the Luas, thinking he could use a return ticket on his way back to Heuston the next day), while on the same tram, two skangers openly told the inspector "Ahh I jus' didn' buy one today, bud, y'know" and he just turned a blind eye. Someone else I know was given a fine when their Leap card hadn't tagged properly (they thought it had) and, again, on the same tram, a young wan who told the inspectors to feck off cause she didn't have one was waved on.

One rule for people who look decent and law-abiding, one rule for the aggressive skangers who can apparently do what they like in this country... :mad:

(Though, in fairness, they've recently been clamping down on people drinking on the trams during the day, even putting a tram out of service until the angry junkies got off... maybe things will change!)

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Rothmans · 02-12-2013 08:19PM

Thargor wrote: »

How do you get on a Dublin Bus without paying though? Does the driver just stare at you while you walk past him or something?

Nah, they are targetting students who buy student tickets. The reason for this is that Dublin bus don't accept student ID, and they fine anyone who only has student ID as proof that they are a student.

Chancer3001 · 02-12-2013 08:46PM

How are peopl being fined?

Just make a fake name or walk off??

EyeSight · 02-12-2013 08:52PM

anncoates wrote: »

As if students and lots of other types don't evade fares.

Don't try and spoof me either, I get it every day.

the point is that junkies usually get free travel for them and a friend
also i see students getting fines all the time, while junkies and scumbags get let off because they are aggressive

Tiddlypeeps · 03-12-2013 12:59AM

pappe wrote: »

The top luas objective (proudly nailed at the front and back driver door) is providing a pleasant and safe journey to passengers. However in red line luas which I take on a daily basis it is literally impossible to feel safe and to be happy of the journey.
I see inspectors in orange vests nearly every day, but they simply skip and let problematic people go (the problematic people are the ones that never pay the fare, the ones that eat inside leaving leftovers on floor, the ones that vandalise rear window of luas, the ones that put feet on the 2 front seats, the ones that annoy passengers if sitting nearby, the ones that are often coming in all together as a full gang of teenagers etc) and inspectors spend time and effort to prosecute decent people in case a leapcard has not been tagged or similar.
It is clear then that inspectors target is making money from decent people rather than providing a pleasant journey to everyone!
Is it fair? Why certain people are prosecuted if they don’t pay (or forget to tag) and others not? Especially considering that journey will never be really safe and pleasant?

You are either greatly exaggerating or totally over reacting. I use the red line everyday for the full length of the line in and out of town, this includes a stop over at Belgard. The only time I ever feel unsafe is waiting around at the Belgard stop if it's late at night.

The guys in the storm trooper suits get on and off regularly and they are fairly quick to drag anyone acting the maggot off. I have seen the odd junkie passed out on the tram but it's not very common, like once a month at most and all they do is sleep and maybe fall off their seat. In a year using it I've only seen a fight break out once.

chopper6 · 03-12-2013 01:03AM

EyeSight wrote: »

the point is that junkies usually get free travel for them and a friend
also i see students getting fines all the time, while junkies and scumbags get let off because they are aggressive

Thats true...most inspectors or whatever dont have the nerve to get into a toe-to-toe with a junkie...it's everything from pleading,wailing,feigning injury to threats to shoot,stab or stick with a syringe.

There's also a few other tricks up their sleeve..claiming to have body lice,HIV or any number of potentially contagious maladies that nobody working for a living wants to risk catching.

First time on luas!

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