First time on luas!

nino1

Started getting the luas this week fir tgs first time. Red line.
Was a bit shocked at the fare evasion I've seen.

First one was a well to do young gentleman who didnt have a ticket. The inspector was in the middle of asking him for his details and he said this is my stop and walked out. The inspector followed him out but he just kept walking away!

The second case was a scumbag who told the inspector to fu#k off and didnt even bother getting off the luas for anothef two stops until be finished his racist rant.

Is there really nothing that the inspectors can do if a person simply decides to walk away at the next stop?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Try it and see. Then you'll know. Please report back.

sonny jim bob jones

I use the green line Huey Lewis. All fare evaders are scum, regardless of appearance.

strobe

I'd imagine they could call the police as it's basically theft, isn't it? Same as if you get your hair cut in the hairdresser's and then walk off without paying? But they can't tackle someone to the ground or anything.

Did see two gardai and four inspectors with 5 or 6 people lined up at the Windy Arbour stop on the green line recently.

Why the hell don't they have barriers/gates to go through like the Underground in London? There's NO incentive to pay! Ridiculous situation.

Omackeral

Red Line = Free Junkie Transport

nino1

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Try it and see. Then you'll know. Please report back.

I dont need to try it. If you read the op you will see what happens. Nothing!

JustAddWater

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why the hell don't they have barriers/gates to go through like the Underground in London? There's NO incentive to pay! Ridiculous situation.

Because it's not underground?

Did you get the Luas during the night or day? During the night they regularly have rather large security guards, that get on and off at random stops, who would be there to back up the inspectors.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

nino1 wrote: »

I dont need to try it. If you read the op you will see what happens. Nothing!

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/luas-fare-cheats-hit-with-fines-of-455000-26323536.html


Whilst prosecution levels are relatively low, they do happen.

mfceiling

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you get the Luas during the night or day? During the night they regularly have rather large security guards, that get on and off at random stops, who would be there to back up the inspectors.

I presume they can not physically detain you for non payment?

I've seen lads just ignore them before, then walk off at the next stop....always on the red line though - never the posh green.

nino1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did you get the Luas during the night or day? During the night they regularly have rather large security guards, that get on and off at random stops, who would be there to back up the inspectors.

They dont have the power to detain someone who decides to walk away.

JustAddWater

JustAddWater wrote: »

Because it's not underground?

True. Surely they could have done something similar, with barriers or gates. The cost of erecting them would be made back in people actually paying their fares!

nino1

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/luas-fare-cheats-hit-with-fines-of-455000-26323536.html


Whilst prosecution levels are relatively low, they do happen.

So they won't say how many of the fines are paid because its obviously ridiculously low.

Why is the fine only €45. Thats going to encourage evasion even more.

LordSutch

nino1 wrote: »

First time on luas!

Apart from the fare evasion its a very nice system, and the trams are state of the art.
Will be very interesting to see the Red line connected to the Green line!

Drakares

Omackeral wrote: »

Red Line = Free Junkie Transport

Truest statement I've seen all morning.

errlloyd

I'm pretty sure Luas is Hilariously profitable compared to other public transport in Dublin, I think the honour system works reasonably well. I regularly go the whole green line, brides Glen to Stephens green. I almost always get checked. So

suicide_circus

a hefty dose of sarin pumped into the red line luas trams at off peak hours would reduce the states SW bill significantly

phasers

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Surely they could have done something similar, with barriers or gates. The cost of erecting them would be made back in people actually paying their fares!

I'd love to see how they put a barrier on this

thecatspjs

phasers wrote: »

I'd love to see how they put a barrier on this

Velvet rope and a bouncer with a clipboard

mikemac1

They just love to skip the skangers and target the quiet office workers who won't talk back.

Got checked one morning, fair 'nuff but I wasn't next in line, he went straight past the lads giving him comments about Africa and checked the rest of us

MJ23

The Daniel Day.
Been on it several times, always bought a ticket. Never even seen a ticket inspector.

EyeSight

They usually skip over the skangers

I don't get why the Luas needs to stop for a few seconds right before the stephens green stop. Even if there's no other tram around, it will stop, wait and then go the rest of the 50 meters. It's so slow from Charlemont to SG

Grayson

I tagged on with a leap card last time I used the LUAS (I don't use it often). I got a huge slagging off the skangers on the tram because I paid.

Santa Cruz

Deleted User wrote: »

Why the hell don't they have barriers/gates to go through like the Underground in London? There's NO incentive to pay! Ridiculous situation.

No barriers on the underground in Berlin.
The antics in Dublin just reflect the criminality widespread in Irish society

Gongoozler

I travel daily on the luas, there are very often inspectors on it. Annoyingly often. Much more than Dublin bus. The price of it surely means there's lots of money being made. The fine system though seems stupid. Can give any name and address no one would ever know. What kind of stupid would you have to be to give your real name / address.

Turtyturd

Gongoozler wrote: »

I travel daily on the luas, there are very often inspectors on it. Annoyingly often. Much more than Dublin bus. The price of it surely means there's lots of money being made. The fine system though seems stupid. Can give any name and address no one would ever know. What kind of stupid would you have to be to give your real name / address.

Dublin bus tend to target buses heading to colleges/schools with their inspectors...have never seen one on the red line equivalent, the 27. Are on the 66/67 once a week though...and even then they Will ignore the ones who might give the hassle.

iDave

EyeSight wrote: »

They usually skip over the skangers

I don't get why the Luas needs to stop for a few seconds right before the stephens green stop. Even if there's no other tram around, it will stop, wait and then go the rest of the 50 meters. It's so slow from Charlemont to SG

its waiting for the point to change so it can go into the correct platform. The DART is far more notorious for pointless random stopping

Larianne

Jeez, there's always inspectors on the Luas. On the Red Line it's between Heuston Station & Bus Aras. And on the Green line they usually get on around Milltown.

I like their little trick of 'pretending' to get on the Luas and watch for people hurridly getting off the Luas when they see the inspectors. Inspectors then hop off the Luas just as the doors close and catch the 'escapees' on the platform. :pac:

It'll be interesting alright when the Red and Green line hook up.

markpb

iDave wrote: »

its waiting for the point to change so it can go into the correct platform. The DART is far more notorious for pointless random stopping

The signals on the Luas are driver operated, they're not automatic like the Dart which us why it has to stop.

And you're right, at least when Luas drivers have to change, they do it at Sandyford stop, not a spot 100m past Sandyford leaving passengers wondering if something has broken.

hfallada

Does anyone know why it was built in the first place? When you think of Tallaght, you don't think of an amazing place to live. At least with the Dublin metro, although it was the GDP of an African nation it would have connected the airport with the city centre.

Larianne

hfallada wrote: »

Does anyone know why it was built in the first place? When you think of Tallaght, you don't think of an amazing place to live. At least with the Dublin metro, although it was the GDP of an African nation it would have connected the airport with the city centre.

Maybe because it's a highly populated area?

No idea why they never made a connection to the airport though with either Luas DART or train. Bit silly.

kneemos

This is what you need for fare dodgers.

atomoh

LordSutch wrote: »

Apart from the fare evasion its a very nice system, and the trams are state of the art.
Will be very interesting to see the Red line connected to the Green line!

And they are constantly filthy, at least the red line, something they have in common with the Dublin Bus. But that's mostly down to the people to behave as civilized, I guess.
Besides, there must be some problem with the language since nobody, skangers or professionals, seems to understand what "seats are not for feet" means. Again, just like on the Dublin Bus.

road_high

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Surely they could have done something similar, with barriers or gates. The cost of erecting them would be made back in people actually paying their fares!

Always said the same. Could hardly be that hard in fairness.

Rod Serling

I would love the luas stops to have barriers. Or just capable inspectors.

I've never once gotten the luas without a ticket and sometimes I feel sick as I've often gotten it one or two stops and thought about how easy it'd be to have paid nothing, but I'd be the one who'd get caught and prosecuted :rolleyes: Still though, I get it often enough and very rarely see inspectors. Red line, Red Cow to Jervis. I've also never seen a Bus inspector in my life.

atomoh wrote: »

And they are constantly filthy, at least the red line

Disagree, I've been riding it regularly since I was 14, so 7 years, and aside from the odd leftover bottle, I never see anything to rival the state of Dublin Bus or the DART for rubbish on the Luas. Never any stupid graffiti on it either which is great.

dirtyden

road_high wrote: »

Always said the same. Could hardly be that hard in fairness.

Anywhere I have seen a tram system it has been run similarly, hop on and hop off, no barriers. I like the Luas, its just a pity there are not more lines. Any time I need to go to Dublin I park at red cow and get luas in. Very handy and great value for parking/tram. Also get to see some of the lovlier parts of dub like rialto and drimnagh.

I have not really noticed much fare evasion, everyone at stop bought tickets form what I could see, never seen an inspector either though.

WoollyRedHat

JustAddWater wrote: »

Because it's not underground?

They should put it underground... dig a hole and put it down there.

Thargor

How do you get on a Dublin Bus without paying though? Does the driver just stare at you while you walk past him or something?

WoollyRedHat

Thargor wrote: »

How do you get on a Dublin Bus without paying though? Does the driver just stare at you while you walk past him or something?

Nah he crashes the bus constantly until you get off.

Untouchable Peasant

This is what things will look like when folks get on the new proposed crosscity Luas stop at Phibsborough and encounter some Cabra residents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9c4hCJZhx8

bnt

LordSutch wrote: »

Will be very interesting to see the Red line connected to the Green line!

Eh? The lines will cross, but they won't be any more "connected" than they are at the moment. The people who currently use the Green Line are going to destinations on that line, and that's not going to change, is it?

IK09

The 1st time i ever used it i thought it was free. Being from the country I thought it was just a public service for the Capital. Got on, got to my stop, exited. Went home tellin my mam about how great the public transport was in the big smoke. I was genuinely happy to see the gov provide such a great service.

pappe

The top luas objective (proudly nailed at the front and back driver door) is providing a pleasant and safe journey to passengers. However in red line luas which I take on a daily basis it is literally impossible to feel safe and to be happy of the journey.
I see inspectors in orange vests nearly every day, but they simply skip and let problematic people go (the problematic people are the ones that never pay the fare, the ones that eat inside leaving leftovers on floor, the ones that vandalise rear window of luas, the ones that put feet on the 2 front seats, the ones that annoy passengers if sitting nearby, the ones that are often coming in all together as a full gang of teenagers etc) and inspectors spend time and effort to prosecute decent people in case a leapcard has not been tagged or similar.
It is clear then that inspectors target is making money from decent people rather than providing a pleasant journey to everyone!
Is it fair? Why certain people are prosecuted if they don’t pay (or forget to tag) and others not? Especially considering that journey will never be really safe and pleasant?

anncoates

Omackeral wrote: »

Red Line = Free Junkie Transport

As if students and lots of other types don't evade fares.

Don't try and spoof me either, I get it every day.

lazza14

I sometimes do it,when I go home to dublin I pay €2 + to get into town on the DART , and then I need to go 2 stops to Ranelaigh to play tennis - sorry but another €2 isn't justifiable.

There needs to be a transfer system, In Spain it would be all less then a €1 and transfer included.

And I don't consider myself a scumbag, but it's overpriced.

syklops

lazza14 wrote: »

I sometimes do it,when I go home to dublin I pay €2 + to get into town on the DART , and then I need to go 2 stops to Ranelaigh to play tennis - sorry but another €2 isn't justifiable.

There needs to be a transfer system,

There is if you have a leap card. Get a leap card. Simples.

dj jarvis

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Surely they could have done something similar, with barriers or gates. The cost of erecting them would be made back in people actually paying their fares!

no tram system i have ever seen around the world has a barrier system

Ireland is no different - and its not just Ireland this happens - when i lived in Germany , i would see it all the time

Foxhound38

As someone saddled with using the red-line every day - personally I can't wait for the lines to be joined up so the well-heeled green-liners can be subjected to the junkie express (and all that entails) themselves - then we might actually see something done about the problem

Don't Chute!

lazza14 wrote: »

I sometimes do it,when I go home to dublin I pay €2 + to get into town on the DART , and then I need to go 2 stops to Ranelaigh to play tennis - sorry but another €2 isn't justifiable.

There needs to be a transfer system, In Spain it would be all less then a €1 and transfer included.

And I don't consider myself a scumbag, but it's overpriced.

You don't think it's justifiable? Ah well then its ok not to pay.

lazza14

I will investigate these leap cards so ...