people that don't protest about anything

Shout Dust · 01-12-2013 11:06PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Some people prefer to sit back and let others put their neck on the line. They'll bitch and moan in the background saying something needs to be done, then when people actually do something they'll give out about them.

Or some people have jobs and don't want to join the latest rent-a-mob

mikeym · 01-12-2013 11:06PM

Im heading up to Mayo and join the shell to sea protesters.

Oh wait Ive got work tomorrow and the bills have to be paid.

Femme_Fatale · 01-12-2013 11:13PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Unobjectively speaking, no.

Sheeple refers to anyone who will go along with the majority of his or her peers, usually through ignorance or insecurity.

In left wing terms, as you say it can refer to professional protesters, but also to anyone who opposes or agree with a political or social movement simply because that's what most of his or her peers do.

In right wing terms, it tends to be someone who will go to work, go to the pub, have a family and then complain about this not being what the really want from life, or about how the government makes it so hard to maintain such a lifestyle, by increaseing taxes or allowing mass immigration or whatever the media tells him is the route of his ills. They will, however, NEVER protest and always keep their head down so as to maintain their position within the flock.

Man is a social animal, and a sheep is his closest relative most of the time.

I've only ever seen "sheeple" used to insult people tbh. And by particularly paranoid conspiracy theorists. There was a guy on Boards who kept registering to talk about conspiracies by women and the Jews. He was fond of the word. I mostly associate it with his ilk.
It's often used too by people who are no different to the people whom they call sheeple, yet for some reason seem to think they're above them. As someone said recently, just because you think others are sheep(le) doesn't mean you're not occupying the same field and surrounded by the same fence.

Jester252 wrote: »

By prevent the hard working people who pay for their social welfare from getting home and spending time with their family?

So all protesters do the above? I hate when loons piggyback on protests also, but it's unfair to condemn people who genuinely have your and my interests at heart, and are doing a lot more than people who sit there bitching about public spending yet do absolutely nothing to take a stand.

renegademaster · 01-12-2013 11:20PM

wprathead wrote: »

if you want to engage with people you could start with not using the word "sheeple" to desribe people who don't protest

it is embarassing

i'm more embarrassed at the complete lack of any b0ll0x in this country! after years of trying to engage with people with the best reasons in the world for everyone to protest i've given up and from now on i'll call it how it is

the majority are sheeple hiding behind a million different excuses

renegademaster · 01-12-2013 11:23PM

downonthefarm wrote: »

the people who are doing the protesting dont have to worry about getting up for work. this gubberment is not for turning so it is pointless anyways

of course they aren't for turning when they've got no opposition to anything but the taking of medical cards from the flippin OAPs :eek:

renegademaster · 01-12-2013 11:25PM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

as is every person and every business. you see nearly all money in existence has been borrowed from somewhere and that somewhere is borrowing from another identical somewhere and very few actually have their head above the water. This is why its like the world is about to end if banks stop borrowing or countries lose their quadruple A rating.

All this is thanks to fractional reserve banking. We are living in a massive cluster**** of debt at every level and are completely dependent on it. If everyone paid off their debt and refused to take out new loans the whole economy would go to sh1t in no time

but because of fractional reserve banking there isn't actually enough money available to pay off the massive debts, it's a classic

renegademaster · 01-12-2013 11:29PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Gotta love the crustys, anti capitalists and anarchists who who protest against the very thing that pays thier dole money and protects thier right to protest.

Anarchists should go to places like Somalia, plenty of anarchy there.

Anti capitalists should go live on a desert island and live off the land. No fb, twitter, iPhones or Internet.

Crustys should just stay at home and smoke more spliffs.

I'm all for practice what u preach tbh, I respect someone who does.

As for protesting, I've never felt that strongly about anything to do it. I'd protest against a ban on Bulmers mind you.

so 450,000+ people have no right to protest anything cos the system gives them dole

Toby Take a Bow · 02-12-2013 12:20AM

johnr1 wrote: »

Yes, it was. No, we haven't. We seem to prefer to borrow hundreds of millions every week to give it to scummers who never worked a day in their lives and just spend their time reproducing like rats.

If it's a 'one off' payment that we are servicing through borrowing, it's not a one off payment. It's lots of payments. And it's interest on top of that. And the excess borrowing we're making is to service that debt. And that servicing is more than we pay for social welfare benefits (and certainly far, far more than the tiny percentage of people claiming benefits who have never worked a day in their life). Enter your salary here and see how much you are paying.

Jester252 · 02-12-2013 12:27AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

So all protesters do the above? I hate when loons piggyback on protests also, but it's unfair to condemn people who genuinely have your and my interests at heart, and are doing a lot more than people who sit there bitching about public spending yet do absolutely nothing to take a stand.

Well tell that to the national strike guys. They where they for the people but ended up ruining their day. Most of the protest lately seem to involve people who are looking out for themselves.

Sh1tbag OToole · 02-12-2013 12:51AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

How would every person be in debt in Ireland? One million people are private home owners without any mortgage debt. There is something like €130 billion in deposits owned by private individuals. Some people are buying houses with cash at present. €6 billion spent on alcohol last year. Are you sure about your figures?

Even if you personally don't owe anyone money then whatever you have someone had to get into debt for that money to be created. So the economy depends on you spending that money fast enough so the circle can continue and whoever borrowed can get it back indirectly or that someone else borrows money and buys something off yer man so he can pay off his loan. The money only exists because a loan was taken out against some (possibly overvalued) assets to create it

Also those 1 million people are indirectly paying back someone's loan in the form of property tax. After all even our overlords are now owning up to the fact that that's what it's being spent on.

OneArt · 02-12-2013 12:53AM

I'm going to protest about the government not doing anything against environmental issues like global warming and continental drift.

Mint Aero · 02-12-2013 01:02AM

I firmly believe most people won't protest in this country because it's too small, too parochial and too backward.

You can't do f*ckall out of the ordinary without the entire village shunning ya. God forbid if you did want to protest! What would your mother say?! Hmmm well? Who here will protest without mammies blessing? What would the neighbours think

Have a bit of cop on. Play gaa, keep the head down, get married, procreate and die please.

Bubbaclaus · 02-12-2013 01:10AM

OneArt wrote: »

I'm going to protest about the government not doing anything against environmental issues like global warming and continental drift.

The goddamn continental drift.

I blame Bertie

Foxhound38 · 02-12-2013 01:38AM

I'd protest, if I believed it would lead to anything (which I don't), and if I wanted to associate with the standard Eirigi, Freemen, and crusty types that can usually be found at such things (which I don't) - unlike them I have a job and things to be getting on with, so I can't spend my life impotently roaring and shouting, waving signs and blocking traffic at every little issue that annoys me.

I use my vote to protest - tends to be more effective than the way the crusties want to do it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iRCD54tWBQ

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-12-2013 01:43AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I'd protest, if I believed it would lead to anything (which I don't), and if I wanted to associate with the standard Eirigi, Freemen, and crusty types that can usually be found at such things (which I don't) - unlike them I have a job and things to be getting on with, so I can't spend my life impotently roaring and shouting, waving signs and blocking traffic at every little issue that annoys me.

I use my vote to protest - tends to be more effective than the way the crusties want to do it...

Very well balanced post there.

Firstly protesting, when done properly can achieve things. It brought about the fall of the British empire in India, the fall of Communism and the Berlin Wall in Gemany, and a few North African and Middle Eastern powers in the more recent Arab Spring.

If voting, however, changed anything; it would, as Geroge Carlin once said, banned.

awec · 02-12-2013 01:50AM

renegademaster wrote: »

i'm more embarrassed at the complete lack of any b0ll0x in this country! after years of trying to engage with people with the best reasons in the world for everyone to protest i've given up and from now on i'll call it how it is

the majority are sheeple hiding behind a million different excuses

How is protesting an indication of having bollocks ? :pac:

The reason I don't protest is primarily because I disagree with the protesters and also because I don't want to be associated with them in any way.

That "big" (the one they said was going to be big but ended up being tiny) protest recently where they blocked O'Connell bridge for example - pathetic and embarrassing - every idiot on the island in attendance. Even articulating their message was beyond their abilities.

If you want to change stuff and you want people to think you have bollocks then put yourself up for election and see if you can get enough people to vote for you. Until then, knock this "I have the balls to protest" nonsense on the head ffs.

renegademaster · 02-12-2013 02:55AM

awec wrote: »

How is protesting an indication of having bollocks ? :pac:

The reason I don't protest is primarily because I disagree with the protesters and also because I don't want to be associated with them in any way.

That "big" (the one they said was going to be big but ended up being tiny) protest recently where they blocked O'Connell bridge for example - pathetic and embarrassing - every idiot on the island in attendance. Even articulating their message was beyond their abilities.

If you want to change stuff and you want people to think you have bollocks then put yourself up for election and see if you can get enough people to vote for you. Until then, knock this "I have the balls to protest" nonsense on the head ffs.

the kind of protest i'm talking about would take b0ll0x, when people gather in such numbers, even peacefully, if it grows legs and the protestors aren't convinced to stand down then it will get nasty very quickly,

to stand and fight for your rights does takes stones and no amount of voting is going to bring about the shift needed in national or global politics, some people in the world today know this already, that's why they've been killed for fighting back against the ****ty system the majority in this country are so desperate to hang onto,

all the majority have managed to do is this country is postpone the inevitable

Femme_Fatale · 02-12-2013 02:59AM

Silliness to be afraid you'll be associated with the extremist groups that hijack protests, if you join a protest. "Oh the humanity, people who don't know me might think I agree with Eirigí!" Jesus, insecure much?
It's just drone-ish thinking to claim they represent all or most people who protest - and a bandwagon thing to say. They don't at all.

Jester252 · 02-12-2013 03:27AM

renegademaster wrote: »

the kind of protest i'm talking about would take b0ll0x, when people gather in such numbers, even peacefully, if it grows legs and the protestors aren't convinced to stand down then it will get nasty very quickly,

to stand and fight for your rights does takes stones and no amount of voting is going to bring about the shift needed in national or global politics, some people in the world today know this already, that's why they've been killed for fighting back against the ****ty system the majority in this country are so desperate to hang onto,

all the majority have managed to do is this country is postpone the inevitable

Jesus man the parts of the world where people are dying they are fighting oppressive regimes for basic human right. Don't you dare think for a moment you protesting over a new tax is on the same level nor that our government is on the same level as their "leader". You should be ashamed of yourself if you think you have it as bad as they do. Go over there and walk a mile it their shoes and lets see how long you would last before you come home praising Enda. Cop on for god's sake

Foxhound38 · 02-12-2013 03:36AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrKPQbHukEQ

Again, I have no interest in being associated with muppets who would take part in this sort of carry on...

I'd be embarassed to be anywhere near them

BillyMitchel · 02-12-2013 05:02AM

I spent years upon years on the streets protesting. It was people like me protesting with the "looney left" that was saying the bubble is going to burst, it was us protesters that said FF were a corrupt bunch of fockers. It was us saying the system is on the verge of collapsing. It was the "looney left" that predicted all this crap while people were out enjoying the Celtic Tiger. Not everyone fell for that nonsense.

Did anyone listen, nope, but were we right. Focking sure we were - the proof is here now for everyone to see.

Maybe the left ain't so looney after all.

Right wing/FF/FG apologetic fockers make me sick. I won't even start on the PDs.

OP protest all you can and all you want. The way I see it these days is people will talk and talk and not do much else and then when something does happen they moan how the protest is affecting them. It's unbelievable.

Numbers on the street are a great start but the real power these days isthe ballot box. The thing with Ireland is we can be so focking backwards we can even do that right.

02-12-2013 10:18AM

Jester252 wrote: »

Sheeple is a word used by a professional protester with too much time on their hands. The word is used as an insult by these people against others for not blindly following what they believe.
It is a combination of the word sheep and people and it suggest one blindly follows the government or has a lot of body hair. The only way for one not to be called a sheeple is to blindly follow what they believes.

An other characteristic of the people that use this word is their lack of PR skills. They believes that insulting a person is the best way to get said person on their side. These guys normally attend protest such as the national strike day and spend all the time before hand hyping up the protest as the start of a new world. They also think that they are doing you a favor by blocking roads preventing you from getting home after doing hard days work. It should as be noted that your income tax helps the social welfare pay these professional protesters so they can insult you and ruin your day.

So true.

I don't mind protesters at all and have attended a few protests (I agree that there is no point whining at home) but have absolutely no respect for those 'professional protesters' who live off the state and insult those who are paying their dole. I know loads of these people and none of them have ever had a proper job in their lives. They don't understand the concept of 'commitments and obligations' because they don't have any. They're living on postgrad grants, on the dole or off mammy and daddy.

I have a family member who refers to me and my family as 'sheeple' because we all work full-time while he's sticking it to the man. I have tried pointing out many times that if everyone did what he did, there would be no money to pay for his dole/medical card/rent allowance, but he just doesn't seem to get it. It's actually funny how thick most of these people are. They think they're so enlightened but they can't grasp the most basic concepts about economics and how life works.

fishy fishy · 02-12-2013 10:22AM

renegademaster wrote: »

sure they're only "loony leftie organized "protests" (usually hijacked by Eirigi/SF and the like)" because the majority don't bother their arse to go along. so if all protests so far have been "loony leftie organized "protests" (usually hijacked by Eirigi/SF and the like) and lets face it their attendance is never massive, if only a small percentage of average joe soaps got off their ar$es they could outnumber the loons 10:1 very easily. who's in control of the protests then eh??

it's their way of 'justifying' the fact that they won't get off their arises (too lazy) and let others do their fighting for them. You get them everywhere. To be honest they probably don't know half of whats going on around them - too busy playing candy crush

Eight Ball · 02-12-2013 10:24AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Some people prefer to sit back and let others put their neck on the line. They'll bitch and moan in the background saying something needs to be done, then when people actually do something they'll give out about them.

If ever a post summed up the Irish this is it.

KyussBishop · 02-12-2013 10:33AM

renegademaster wrote: »

but because of fractional reserve banking there isn't actually enough money available to pay off the massive debts, it's a classic

You're correct about that, but it's even more different than you think: It's not even limited by fractional reserves (that's not even a bad thing either - it's just how it is).

Banks do have reserve requirements, but in practice these don't really do anything, because the central bank will always lend out more reserves to domestic banks, to satisfy the demand for loans in the economy.

Banks are limited by capital restraints instead, i.e. by real-assets/collateral that people put up to take out a loan, which is a much looser limit.

So, in other words, fractional reserve (the thing you see all economic textbooks teaching, unfortunately) isn't correct - the mismanagement of economics, isn't just with the running of economies and structure of the monetary/banking system, but goes right back to the teaching of it too.

Frank Black · 02-12-2013 10:39AM

Most protestors fail to propose any kind of credible alternative to what they are protesting about.
It's all very well waving some placards about and chanting about burning bondhoders and suchlike, but ...
What is your alternative proposal?
What are the likely repercussions of your alternative proposals?
What are the risks?
How will your alterative be funded?

Very basic questions that the majority of protestors give very little thought to.

Most protestors have a very childish view of the world and how it operates, and while innocence is very nice in small children, it's a less attractive trait in fully grown adults.

There's a girl I know who would go on a anti-property tax march one week and a anti-cutbacks march the next,
She doesn't see any contradiction between the two, just doesn't want any services cut and doesn't want to pay any increased taxes. Basically she's an idiot - but she's happy I guess in her little idealised world.

BillyMitchel wrote: »

I spent years upon years on the streets protesting. It was people like me protesting with the "looney left" that was saying the bubble is going to burst, it was us protesters that said FF were a corrupt bunch of fockers. It was us saying the system is on the verge of collapsing. It was the "looney left" that predicted all this crap while people were out enjoying the Celtic Tiger. Not everyone fell for that nonsense.

Did anyone listen, nope, but were we right. Focking sure we were - the proof is here now for everyone to see.

Why don't you start the ball rolling Mr 'I was right all Along'
What were your alternatives to what you were protesting about?

KyussBishop · 02-12-2013 10:44AM

Why do people think having no free time, such that you can't even spare a short amount to protest, is a good thing? (as if free time itself were bad) Pretty stupid that.

The problem with protesting in Ireland, is that so much of our economics/politics is now controlled within Europe (not directly, but indirectly through purse-strings), that national protests now achieve fúck all, for most of the issues that really matter (though some issues, like investigating/prosecuting fraud, are worth protesting, as something can actually be done about that locally).

For protestors to be able to offer alternatives, they either have to:
1: Promote EU-wide policies, and promote government pushing for such policies, or
2: Promote leaving Europe, to regain sovereign control over much of our politics/economics, which opens up local alternatives.

I have little faith in Europe engaging in recovery policies anymore though, so people are going to have to get past the scariness of exiting Europe, cut through the scaremongering/nonsense, and see that it's not worse than more decades of current austerity policies - otherwise we're going to be stuck like this far longer than necessary.

Don't be fooled by constant talk that (the neverending promise) we're "just around the corner" from a recovery, there are still many unresolved problems in the crisis (like private debt - a massive problem yet to blow up), which Europe is not doing anything to recover from, and which will hold us down for a decade (or decades) yet.

fishy fishy · 02-12-2013 10:47AM

Frank Black wrote: »

Most protestors fail to propose any kind of credible alternative to what they are protesting about.
It's all very well waving some placards about and chanting about burning bondhoders and suchlike, but ...
What is your alternative proposal?
What are the likely repercussions of your alternative proposals?
What are the risks?
How will your alterative be funded?

Very basic questions that the majority of protestors give very little thought to.

Most protestors have a very childish view of the world and how it operates, and while innocence is very nice in small children, it's a less attractive trait in fully grown adults.

There's a girl I know who would go on a anti-property tax march one week and a anti-cutbacks march the next,
She doesn't see any contradiction between the two, just doesn't want any services cut and doesn't want to pay any increased taxes. Basically she's an idiot - but she's happy I guess in her little idealised world.

Why don't you start the ball rolling Mr 'I was right all Along'
What were your alternatives to what you were protesting about?

Tell that to the old age pensioners who SUCCESSFULLY protested and got the govt to back down - its a sad state of affair when the only people who really seem to know the value of protesting are the oldest in the country. But then again, they had to work harder, scrimp and save to hand over this country to a pack of lazy pampered non-interested wusses, who wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face - and would prefer to slate people who stand up for rights and fairness. Still, It'll come to them soon when they have to wake out of their slumber - usually with a job loss or no medical attention for dear Tarquin.

Frank Black · 02-12-2013 10:53AM

fishy fishy wrote: »

Tell that to the old age pensioners who SUCCESSFULLY protested and got the govt to back down - its a sad state of affair when the only people who really seem to know the value of protesting are the oldest in the country. But then again, they had to work harder, scrimp and save to hand over this country to a pack of lazy pampered non-interested wusses, who wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face - and would prefer to slate people who stand up for rights and fairness. Still, It'll come to them soon when they have to wake out of their slumber - usually with a job loss or no medical attention for dear Tarquin.

Tell what to the pensioners?
It was quite clear what their alternative was - they wanted cuts elsewhere in the social welfare budget to fund their medical card provision. They successfully got that - if people under 25 are wondering why their dole has been cut, they can thank Granny and Granddad for that. Believe it or not, the pensioners didn't just magic money out of thin air by protesting.

I know that can be a shock for some people to grasp.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 02-12-2013 10:56AM

It appears that the "Pro-Protest" lobby believe that the Irish people are so homogenous a group that they agree, or should agree on everything.
The thing is many people are opposed to a lot of the agendas that others protest about.
For instance I would not protest about cuts to teachers salaries and conditions, I consider them overpaid and underworked as it is.
I would not protest against the LPT or water charges as in principle I have always supported them.
I certainly would not protest against means testing for over 70's medical cards as I know that many over 70's are better able to pay something towards their medical care than many families with children.
I certainly would not protest to have widespread debt forgiveness for mortgage holders as that leaves the rest of us paying more.
My point is that what the few who take to the streets are looking for is not something that I would support, so why would I join them?

people that don't protest about anything

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