people that don't protest about anything

renegademaster

what is wrong with a large section of todays society that nothing will snap them out of their bubbles and make them join their fellow brothers and sisters in showing we care about a given subject enough to gather in large numbers until the message gets across. i've heard so many petty excuses from so many that at this stage i've just given up on our ability to do anything to stop the madness.

my number one has to be ; "i'm going to start a protest against the protestors" and funnily enough it never happens

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

Cee-Jay-Cee

It's too wet and cold to protest.

camel jockey

Not another one of these 'burn the bondholders' threads. We should protest about social welfare abuses and public sector largesse.

BBDBB

renegademaster wrote: »

what is wrong with a large section of todays society that nothing will snap them out of their bubbles and make them join their fellow brothers and sisters in showing we care about a given subject enough to gather in large numbers until the message gets across. i've heard so many petty excuses from so many that at this stage i've just given up on our ability to do anything to stop the madness.

my number one has to be ; "i'm going to start a protest against the protestors" and funnily enough it never happens

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

^^there's your 1st mistake

ruthloss

Some of us learned the hard way., it get's very lonely out there on the limb all on your own.:o

Fr_Dougal

Some people prefer to sit back and let others put their neck on the line. They'll bitch and moan in the background saying something needs to be done, then when people actually do something they'll give out about them.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

renegademaster wrote: »

what is wrong with a large section of todays society that nothing will snap them out of their bubbles and make them join their fellow brothers and sisters in showing we care about a given subject enough to gather in large numbers until the message gets across. i've heard so many petty excuses from so many that at this stage i've just given up on our ability to do anything to stop the madness.

my number one has to be ; "i'm going to start a protest against the protestors" and funnily enough it never happens

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

And who are you decide that there is something "wrong" with those who chose not to march about in loony leftie organized "protests" (usually hijacked by Eirigi/SF and the like).

renegademaster

camel jockey wrote: »

Not another one of these 'burn the bondholders' threads. We should protest about social welfare abuses and public sector largesse.

where was it mentioned to "burn the bondholders"?

what really gets me is more people will show up on the streets for arthurs day than say the death of an Indian lady denied a life saving abortion because she was in a "catholic" hospital!

there's so many reasons to join forces in this country yet we are where we are!!

renegademaster

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

And who are you decide that there is something "wrong" with those who chose not to march about in loony leftie organized "protests" (usually hijacked by Eirigi/SF and the like).

sure they're only "loony leftie organized "protests" (usually hijacked by Eirigi/SF and the like)" because the majority don't bother their arse to go along. so if all protests so far have been "loony leftie organized "protests" (usually hijacked by Eirigi/SF and the like) and lets face it their attendance is never massive, if only a small percentage of average joe soaps got off their ar$es they could outnumber the loons 10:1 very easily. who's in control of the protests then eh??

Femme_Fatale

camel jockey wrote: »

Not another one of these 'burn the bondholders' threads. We should protest about social welfare abuses and public sector largesse.

Which caused more of a mess?

But yeh, TDs salaries/expenses should be cut.

joe swanson

Blah blah.......... Sold our oil.........blah blah....... Banksters......... Blah blah........... Sheeple......... Blah blah........... Bondholders............ Blah blah.........property tax.......... Blah blah.............
Etc etc etc

Ps where do i sign for my dole , related benefits and for sinn fein membership.

renegademaster

joe swanson wrote: »

Blah blah.......... Sold our oil.........blah blah....... Banksters......... Blah blah........... Sheeple......... Blah blah........... Bondholders............ Blah blah.........property tax.......... Blah blah.............
Etc etc etc

Ps where do i sign for my dole , related benefits and for sinn fein membership.

ara you're talking out of your hole now mate cos i've been involved with quite a few protests the last few years and although i'm half signing on i've never been approached by any political groups and again if the sheeple attended in numbers there would no fear of the protest being "hijacked" by "loons"

dxhound2005

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Some people prefer to sit back and let others put their neck on the line. They'll bitch and moan in the background saying something needs to be done, then when people actually do something they'll give out about them.

So what happened when you put your neck on the line?

joe swanson

renegademaster wrote: »

ara you're talking out of your hole now mate cos i've been involved with quite a few protests the last few years and although i'm half signing on i've never been approached by any political groups and again if the sheeple attended in numbers there would no fear of the protest being "hijacked" by "loons"

'half signing on'
lol

dxhound2005

renegademaster wrote: »

ara you're talking out of your hole now mate cos i've been involved with quite a few protests the last few years and although i'm half signing on i've never been approached by any political groups and again if the sheeple attended in numbers there would no fear of the protest being "hijacked" by "loons"

What is a sheeple?

Salt001

I think people are so worn out by working and worrying and striving to some how
make ends meet that they just can't cope with having to go to protests.
Also its the whole " sure there will be enough people there without me ".
Also people are hurting themselves so much it is hard sometimes to care bout other people's troubles.

MadYaker

A lot of people have jobs, families or other important commitments that don't allow them to join the rabble rousers outside the Dail. You may have plenty of time since you're on the dole but most people don't. (Not have a go at you for being on the dole btw)

Agricola

A lot of it is to do with the innately nice, easy going nature of Irish people. We don't like to be a bother, whether that entails complaining about cold soup in a restaurant or protesting on Kildare st. We just arent a highly strung race of people, like say, the French.

johnr1

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Which caused more of a mess?

But yeh, TDs salaries/expenses should be cut.

Simple answer there, The overspending on social welfare, overpaid public "servants", general abuse and waste of public money has us where we are. The bank bailout, bad and expensive as it was, was a one off, which could have been paid for if we weren't running a large deficit to keep the non-productive sections of society in the fashion to which they had become accustomed.
Anyone who understands business or finance will tell you that one off large expenses don't sink you, its the long term repeated waste and mismanagement which ruins profitability.

On topic, more scummers blocking OConnell Bridge, which is what the OP seems to want, making decent hardworking people walk home after paying their taxes to support these vermin isn't going to help, and 99% of society understand this.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

And who are you decide that there is something "wrong" with those who chose not to march about in loony leftie organized "protests" (usually hijacked by Eirigi/SF and the like).

I normally ask for a definition of "loony leftie" at this point, but no one ever bothers to answer, so I'll let it slide.

Strange thing is, you never hear of a "sensible right-wing" protest...

jammy_doughnut

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I normally ask for a definition of "loony leftie" at this point, but no one ever bothers to answer, so I'll let it slide.

Strange thing is, you never hear of a "sensible right-wing" protest...

a right wing protest ( akin to the tea party movement in America ) would never work here as most irish people are statist in outlook , plus the media hate right wing ideals and would potray it as something sinister

BBDBB

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I normally ask for a definition of "loony leftie" at this point, but no one ever bothers to answer, so I'll let it slide.

Strange thing is, you never hear of a "sensible right-wing" protest...

ahh the allure of alliteration

renegademaster

joe swanson wrote: »

'half signing on'
lol

yes since my business went to the wall because of the crash, i'm now casual working part time (signing on for 4 days a week!) after finally gettin an opportunity to get involved with a new start-up.

still laughing?

Xeyn

Agricola wrote: »

A lot of it is to do with the innately nice, easy going nature of Irish people. We don't like to be a bother, whether that entails complaining about cold soup in a restaurant or protesting on Kildare st. We just arent a highly strung race of people, like say, the French.

Which is the reason why a lot of people believe the French have amongst the best quality of life. The government fears the people, whilst in Ireland and many other countries the government seemingly couldnt care less.

Femme_Fatale

I know the headwrecking, obstruction-causing types some people are referring to here, but you can't say without challenge that all protesters are like that; you simply can't.

And "looney leftie" - wtf is this? A Richard Littlejohn column?

joe swanson

renegademaster wrote: »

yes since my business went to the wall because of the crash, i'm now casual working part time (signing on for 4 days a week!) after finally gettin an opportunity to get involved with a new start-up.

still laughing?

Yep. Sounded v stupid in the context of the discussion. No reflection on you .

renegademaster

Xeyn wrote: »

Which is the reason why a lot of people believe the French have amongst the best quality of life. The government fears the people, whilst in Ireland and many other countries the government seemingly couldnt care less.

shocking scenes here of Brittany protests but as you said yourself no government can afford this to go on for too long so they back down ar at least be fair to the people they work for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYt_vFIAoCI&feature=share

meanwhile in Ireland our "government" must be pi$$ing themselves at the lack of fight in the majority fo the country

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Peadarpan

This is the calibre of protester n Ireland.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iRCD54tWBQ
Could you ever imagine employing this man? Another long term drain on our social welfare funds.

Toby Take a Bow

johnr1 wrote: »

Simple answer there, The overspending on social welfare, overpaid public "servants", general abuse and waste of public money has us where we are. The bank bailout, bad and expensive as it was, was a one off, which could have been paid for if we weren't running a large deficit to keep the non-productive sections of society in the fashion to which they had become accustomed.

The bank bailout was a one off payment? So, we have it all paid off now?

Grand so.

renegademaster

Peadarpan wrote: »

This is the calibre of protester n Ireland.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iRCD54tWBQ
Could you ever imagine employing this man? Another long term drain on our social welfare funds.

no it isn't!! for the love of all that is good these are isolated incidents and with the lack of any alternative at any protest people might be forgiven for thinking this is as good as it gets

wp_rathead

renegademaster wrote: »

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

renegademaster wrote: »

sheeple

if you want to engage with people you could start with not using the word "sheeple" to desribe people who don't protest

it is embarassing

Riddle101

It's down to perspective at the end of day. Everyone has their own opinions on something, so not everyone is going to be 100%. Some people choose to protest, some people aren't interested in protesting. Some people might be annoyed and angry, but they might also have reservations about protesting. Some people might not be angry at all, and actually hate protesters. There's just so many probabilities.

Let's not forget that protests in Ireland have not been done right over the years. Some protests have been hijacked, and ruined by people who might claim to have a similar agenda to the protesters but make things worse. There's only been like one protest that was successful and that was the OAP protest years ago, all others have failed. When you take that into account, why is anyone surprised that some people would rather not protest, mainly because they've lost hope or don't believe protesting will work. Either that or they just don't care.

Mardy Bum

Ireland doesn't like protesters and prefers to villanise them.

See ESB workers & ASTI.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

jammy_doughnut wrote: »

a right wing protest ( akin to the tea party movement in America ) would never work here as most irish people are statist in outlook , plus the media hate right wing ideals and would potray it as something sinister

Protests in democratic countries tend not to work for a variety reasons, usually down to bad organisation and a lack of clarity amongst those protesting.

Media potrayal is another big one but I think you meant to write "hate left wing ideals"; most media organisations being moderatly right-wing in outlook.

Are we statist? Probably - but more because we have a bigger need for security than morals. I'd disagree we are any more statist than the US, though.

MadYaker

If the government try to start censoring the internet, that would get me out on the streets.

johnr1

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

The bank bailout was a one off payment? So, we have it all paid off now?

Grand so.

Yes, it was. No, we haven't. We seem to prefer to borrow hundreds of millions every week to give it to scummers who never worked a day in their lives and just spend their time reproducing like rats.

The bank bailout was probably the greatest act of national treason ever comitted in this state, but it was survivable. Constant defecits to raise further generations of leeches is not.

downonthefarm

the people who are doing the protesting dont have to worry about getting up for work. this gubberment is not for turning so it is pointless anyways

dxhound2005

johnr1 wrote: »

Yes, it was. No, we haven't. We seem to prefer to borrow hundreds of millions every week to give it to scummers who never worked a day in their lives and just spend their time reproducing like rats.

The bank bailout was probably the greatest act of national treason ever comitted in this state, but it was survivable. Constant defecits to raise further generations of leeches is not.

Try not to worry too much about the future generations. The previous generations gave us what we have now for good or bad and our descendants will just have to manage as best they can. The whole world is in debt up to it's eyeballs. Something which I can't figure out because some country must be doing the lending.

http://www.financedublin.com/debtclock.php

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/

Jester252

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What is a sheeple?

Sheeple is a word used by a professional protester with too much time on their hands. The word is used as an insult by these people against others for not blindly following what they believe.
It is a combination of the word sheep and people and it suggest one blindly follows the government or has a lot of body hair. The only way for one not to be called a sheeple is to blindly follow what they believes.

An other characteristic of the people that use this word is their lack of PR skills. They believes that insulting a person is the best way to get said person on their side. These guys normally attend protest such as the national strike day and spend all the time before hand hyping up the protest as the start of a new world. They also think that they are doing you a favor by blocking roads preventing you from getting home after doing hard days work. It should as be noted that your income tax helps the social welfare pay these professional protesters so they can insult you and ruin your day.

Sh1tbag OToole

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Try not to worry too much about the future generations. The previous generations gave us what we have now for good or bad and our descendants will just have to manage as best they can. The whole world is in debt up to it's eyeballs. Something which I can't figure out because some country must be doing the lending.

http://www.financedublin.com/debtclock.php

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/

as is every person and every business. you see nearly all money in existence has been borrowed from somewhere and that somewhere is borrowing from another identical somewhere and very few actually have their head above the water. This is why its like the world is about to end if banks stop borrowing or countries lose their quadruple A rating.

All this is thanks to fractional reserve banking. We are living in a massive cluster**** of debt at every level and are completely dependent on it. If everyone paid off their debt and refused to take out new loans the whole economy would go to sh1t in no time

Jonny Blaze

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/police-forced-to-flee-as-100000-demonstrators-take-over-central-kiev-29799891.html

100,000 protesters have brought Kiev to a standstill over the government's refusal to agree a deal providing entry to the E.U

Video too...

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-police-disperse-protest-509/

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Jester252 wrote: »

Sheeple is a word used by a professional protester with too much time on their hands. The word is used as an insult by these people against others for not blindly following what they believe.
It is a combination of the word sheep and people and it suggest one blindly follows the government or has a lot of body hair. The only way for one not to be called a sheeple is to blindly follow what they believes.

An other characteristic of the people that use this word is their lack of PR skills. They believes that insulting a person is the best way to get said person on their side. These guys normally attend protest such as the national strike day and spend all the time before hand hyping up the protest as the start of a new world. They also think that they are doing you a favor by blocking roads preventing you from getting home after doing hard days work. It should as be noted that your income tax helps the social welfare pay these professional protesters so they can insult you and ruin your day.

Unobjectively speaking, no.

Sheeple refers to anyone who will go along with the majority of his or her peers, usually through ignorance or insecurity.

In left wing terms, as you say it can refer to professional protesters, but also to anyone who opposes or agree with a political or social movement simply because that's what most of his or her peers do.

In right wing terms, it tends to be someone who will go to work, go to the pub, have a family and then complain about this not being what the really want from life, or about how the government makes it so hard to maintain such a lifestyle, by increaseing taxes or allowing mass immigration or whatever the media tells him is the route of his ills. They will, however, NEVER protest and always keep their head down so as to maintain their position within the flock.

Man is a social animal, and a sheep is his closest relative most of the time.

Femme_Fatale

jammy_doughnut wrote: »

a right wing protest ( akin to the tea party movement in America ) would never work here as most irish people are statist in outlook , plus the media hate right wing ideals and would potray it as something sinister

Hey Irish Bob. Well a Tea Party type movement IS sinister - no spin needed to illustrate that. Independent Newspapers and the Daily Mail and the red-tops subscribe to the same right-wing loopiness that you do, so nah... you're wrong about "the media".

lufties

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Some people prefer to sit back and let others put their neck on the line. They'll bitch and moan in the background saying something needs to be done, then when people actually do something they'll give out about them.

That sir is a paradox...of some sort

StinkyMunkey

Jester252 wrote: »

Sheeple is a word used by a professional protester with too much time on their hands. The word is used as an insult by these people against others for not blindly following what they believe.
It is a combination of the word sheep and people and it suggest one blindly follows the government or has a lot of body hair. The only way for one not to be called a sheeple is to blindly follow what they believes.

An other characteristic of the people that use this word is their lack of PR skills. They believes that insulting a person is the best way to get said person on their side. These guys normally attend protest such as the national strike day and spend all the time before hand hyping up the protest as the start of a new world. They also think that they are doing you a favor by blocking roads preventing you from getting home after doing hard days work. It should as be noted that your income tax helps the social welfare pay these professional protesters so they can insult you and ruin your day.

Gotta love the crustys, anti capitalists and anarchists who who protest against the very thing that pays thier dole money and protects thier right to protest.

Anarchists should go to places like Somalia, plenty of anarchy there.

Anti capitalists should go live on a desert island and live off the land. No fb, twitter, iPhones or Internet.

Crustys should just stay at home and smoke more spliffs.

I'm all for practice what u preach tbh, I respect someone who does.

As for protesting, I've never felt that strongly about anything to do it. I'd protest against a ban on Bulmers mind you.

Jester252

OP be careful what you wish for

lufties

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Gotta love the crustys, anti capitalists and anarchists who who protest against the very thing that pays thier dole money and protects thier right to protest.

Anarchists should go to places like Somalia, plenty of anarchy there.

Anti capitalists should go live on a desert island and live off the land. No fb, twitter, iPhones or Internet.

Crustys should just stay at home and smoke more spliffs.

I'm all for practice what u preach tbh, I respect someone who does.

As for protesting, I've never felt that strongly about anything to do it. I'd protest against a ban on Bulmers mind you.

no they don't, they protest for a fairer society, namely to not pay back gamblers and financial terrorists.

Femme_Fatale

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Gotta love the crustys, anti capitalists and anarchists who who protest against the very thing that pays thier dole money and protects thier right to protest.

Anarchists should go to places like Somalia, plenty of anarchy there.

Anti capitalists should go live on a desert island and live off the land. No fb, twitter, iPhones or Internet.

Crustys should just stay at home and smoke more spliffs.

Very silly to believe all protesters are the above type, and why shouldn't they protest about issues in their own country?

The stuff about "They're all on the dole" is bemusing too. People on the dole, even those who are trying to find a job (i.e. the majority of people on the dole) get slated for sitting on their holes... yet when they go out and protest and be some bit proactive... they also get slated; yet they're not sitting on their holes. Damned do, damned don't.

Jester252

lufties wrote: »

no they don't, they protest for a fairer society, namely to not pay back gamblers and financial terrorists.

By prevent the hard working people who pay for their social welfare from getting home and spending time with their family?

tayto lover

joe swanson wrote: »

Blah blah.......... Sold our oil.........blah blah....... Banksters......... Blah blah........... Sheeple......... Blah blah........... Bondholders............ Blah blah.........property tax.......... Blah blah.............
Etc etc etc

Ps where do i sign for my dole , related benefits and for sinn fein membership.

You cannot be a member of Fine Gael and Sinn Fein at the same time.

Black cat banger

camel jockey wrote: »

Not another one of these 'burn the bondholders' threads. We should protest about social welfare abuses and public sector largesse.

With you on this one Camel...with you on this one .


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