Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

wp_rathead · 27-11-2013 06:06PM

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Gotta laugh at the former LP fans deleting the band from the playlists etc.

They got into an awful band due to having awful taste in music and now that the singer has been outed as a nonce, suddenly the bands music can't be listened to anymore?

Shows how fickle you were in the first place.

I watched Ian Watkins and the Lost Prophets rise from zero with their self produced first album to become what they did, all the while looking at Ian becoming more and more of a typical, teenrock spa who sees himself as untouchable. The ever more silly succession of trendy emo haircuts and the increasingly poppy (in fairness, it's not like they were slayer to begin with) music and his general douchey, vain demeanor all served to make me hate him and his ****ty band of awful.

Then this happened.

It's poetic, almost.

what a horrible attitude you have mate

dark crystal · 27-11-2013 06:15PM

I am pie wrote: »

OK, so in your perspective the right to earn is more important than compassion for the victims. It's either-or here, nothing to do with pushing guilt. They aren't guilty, neither are the victims but one of them has to suffer.

For me, it's a straightforward choice.

Why?

It's Watkins who should be suffering, no one else.

Napper Hawkins · 27-11-2013 06:17PM

wprathead wrote: »

what a horrible attitude you have mate

In a thread about a rockstar who takes pleasure in raping babies, I think whatever attitude I have towards it is irrelevant.

Dravokivich · 27-11-2013 06:17PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

So far.

We may never find out who else knew. But someone always does.

Its pretty well known at this stage an exgirlfriend knew and reported to police upon finding it on his pc. They did nothing. You want her thrown on the sword too?

Its stupid to expect everyone around him to have to take the flak for it too.

brianblaze · 27-11-2013 06:19PM

The court also heard a claim by prosecutors that police discovered illicit substances including coke and crystal meth in the musician's possession and that Watkins had planned to "teach" the babies how to take drugs.

Bring him out and shoot him.. No loss to the gene pool.

Dravokivich · 27-11-2013 06:20PM

I am pie wrote: »

OK, so in your perspective the right to earn is more important than compassion for the victims. It's either-or here, nothing to do with pushing guilt. They aren't guilty, neither are the victims but one of them has to suffer.

For me, it's a straightforward choice.

Its nit abiut the right to earn. Im solely taking into consideration who was responsible and who was victimised.

The band were NOT I repeat NOT responsible. Its insensitive and careless of you to use the victims to push responsibilty onto them becuase they were associated in a band which was moderatly successfull with the main culprit.

tritium · 27-11-2013 06:22PM

I am pie wrote: »

OK, so in your perspective the right to earn is more important than compassion for the victims. It's either-or here, nothing to do with pushing guilt. They aren't guilty, neither are the victims but one of them has to suffer.

For me, it's a straightforward choice.

Nonsense, same mindset that always equates 'justice' with as much collateral damage as possible. The bomb the village to get the bad guy mindset. The other band members worked on this stuff too, they didn't just inherit his stuff. Why should they be stripped of the fruits of their work.

Far better that whoever gets to parent those poor children sues on their behalf and takes him for every penny he has or will earn

I am pie · 27-11-2013 06:27PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Its nit abiut the right to earn. Im solely taking into consideration who was responsible and who was victimised.

The band were NOT I repeat NOT responsible. Its insensitive and careless of you to use the victims to push responsibilty onto them becuase they were associated in a band which was moderatly successfull with the main culprit.

Not , you repeat not? I never said they were, what a strange and needless emphasis. You are trying to bully into saying something I have no intention of saying.

Simply put, because you are struggling, do you think that the families will suffer with the idea of this monster profiting (continued album sales) or not?

They are not responsible (the band) , never said they were, I simply prioritise the victims above their right to earn from his work. Somhow that is clumsy and irresponsible in your perspective.

Luckily we inhabit different worlds with different priorities.

We're done , this conversation is leaving me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.

Tasden · 27-11-2013 06:30PM

I am pie wrote: »

OK, so in your perspective the right to earn is more important than compassion for the victims. It's either-or here, nothing to do with pushing guilt. They aren't guilty, neither are the victims but one of them has to suffer.

For me, it's a straightforward choice.

If one of my colleagues did something I wouldn't expect my life and livelihood to be affected by it. Whether there were victims worse off than me or not. I know that this is entirely different to anything we could comprehend but those lads (as far as we know at this time) had no idea what their FRIEND was doing, they feel betrayed enough as it is and now their livelihood is no doubt drastically affected by this. I feel extremely sorry for them and that does not dilute how I feel about the victims. Its not a "choice". If the group did not know about this then they are victims too. Not to the same extent but my god can you imagine finding out your close friend did this? And that what you worked so hard for is all nul and void now because of him. Yes they still have money or whatever but thats not really the point is it?
A colleague of mine was caught stealing from the til before. I knew nothing about it but still felt guilty just because I had been friends with the guy at the time. I cant imagine my job being ruined because of him doing something and then people saying "ah well you've the dole to fall back on or find a new job", its not the point. Obviously that analogy cant be applied to or compared to a case as sick as this but seriously some people seem to think that because these people are famous and have money that they will be unscathed by this. Yes the victims come first but jesus they're victims too.(as far as we're aware)

PropJoe10 · 27-11-2013 06:36PM

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Gotta laugh at the former LP fans deleting the band from the playlists etc.

They got into an awful band due to having awful taste in music and now that the singer has been outed as a nonce, suddenly the bands music can't be listened to anymore?

Shows how fickle you were in the first place.

I watched Ian Watkins and the Lost Prophets rise from zero with their self produced first album to become what they did, all the while looking at Ian becoming more and more of a typical, teenrock spa who sees himself as untouchable. The ever more silly succession of trendy emo haircuts and the increasingly poppy (in fairness, it's not like they were slayer to begin with) music and his general douchey, vain demeanor all served to make me hate him and his ****ty band of awful.

Then this happened.

It's poetic, almost.

What in Gods name are you talking about?

Dravokivich · 27-11-2013 07:04PM

I am pie wrote: »

Not , you repeat not? I never said they were, what a strange and needless emphasis.

You never directly said they were, but you have implied that they should act and be held accountable as if they were responsible. And continue to do so in the quotes broken up from this very post below. The emphasis was so what I was saying, could be read clearly and without any sense of misunderstanding.

I am pie wrote: »

You are trying to bully into saying something I have no intention of saying.

I'm not bullying you. I responded to a post you made, which I disagreed with. You challenged my response rather agressively by suggested my post wasn't serious and that i've an inabiltiy to perceive this scandal. You choose to make it seem like I didn't care about the victims. You also implied that not only did I not care about the victims, but that I had some sort of agenda in favour of the band and by association Ian Watkins in turn.

These implications couldn't be further from the truth.

I am pie wrote: »

Simply put, because you are struggling, do you think that the families will suffer with the idea of this monster profiting (continued album sales) or not?

It's irrelevant to be honest. As harsh and brutal is it may sound, it makes no difference to the victims.

I am pie wrote: »

They are not responsible (the band) , never said they were,

Right...

I am pie wrote: »

I simply prioritise the victims above their right to earn from his work. Somhow that is clumsy and irresponsible in your perspective.

... this is just as good as saying they are. You are connecting them to the victims and stating that their association with Ian Watkins through the band has an affect on the victims, as the victims need to be put before them, for something they have a rather lose connection with, something they have no responsibilty for. You can dress it up and re-word it however you like to say this isn't the case. But it won't wash with me. You are saying exactly what I've disagreed with and continue to press it. And you are looking to make me and others who've questioned you on this appear insensitive to the suffering these victims have gone through, so because we questioned you on a point you look to make, which has no relevance what so ever.

I am pie wrote: »

Luckily we inhabit different worlds with different priorities.

We don't. And my priorities don't differ. I just don't see why those who had no affect, are being prioritised against the victims. Something which you've still been unable to explain.

I am pie wrote: »

We're done , this conversation is leaving me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.

Am I supposed to feel like shít now? I don't get why you are making such a bold statement here. All I've done is disagreed with your point of view and expressed mine. You may have read more into what I've written. But I have not looked to question you yourself. Only what you had written.

take everything · 27-11-2013 07:36PM

From what i've gleaned, those two associated with him are exactly as i expected.
Thick, celeb-obsessed, selfie-posting, brainwashed, social-media addicted apes.
Idiocracy.

Corvo · 27-11-2013 07:59PM

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Gotta laugh at the former LP fans deleting the band from the playlists etc.

They got into an awful band due to having awful taste in music and now that the singer has been outed as a nonce, suddenly the bands music can't be listened to anymore?

Shows how fickle you were in the first place.

I watched Ian Watkins and the Lost Prophets rise from zero with their self produced first album to become what they did, all the while looking at Ian becoming more and more of a typical, teenrock spa who sees himself as untouchable. The ever more silly succession of trendy emo haircuts and the increasingly poppy (in fairness, it's not like they were slayer to begin with) music and his general douchey, vain demeanor all served to make me hate him and his ****ty band of awful.

Then this happened.

It's poetic, almost.

The thread isn't about other peoples tastes in music or how they were fickle to start being a fan of a certain band. It's about a court case.

nelly17 · 27-11-2013 08:02PM

And Victims, children in fact

FizzleSticks · 27-11-2013 08:06PM

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PropJoe10 · 27-11-2013 08:07PM

I keep coming back to this thread but its just hard to know what to even say. Its beyond depraved. There is no sentence that the court can impose (unfortunately) that would be suitable punishment for something this sick. It would actually make you feel nauseous to be honest.

Cantona's Collars · 27-11-2013 08:09PM

Poor old H from Steps is getting grief online because of this scumbag,they happen to share the same name so dumbasses out there didn't bother to check and attacked H on facebook and twitter.

nelly17 · 27-11-2013 08:12PM

zerks wrote: »

Poor old H from Steps is getting grief online because of this scumbag,they happen to share the same name so dumbasses out there didn't bother to check and attacked H on facebook and twitter.

Wow there really are some idiots out there

Anonymagician · 27-11-2013 08:14PM

It's important to remember it was the man, not the band. The music is still the same as it was before any of this was revealed and although it is difficult to listen to now, it's petty to blame an entire commercial band for these disgusting crimes. Enough of this "never listening to that music again!!! gonna wash out my ears!!!!" nonsense. The band and the music are fairly irrelevant to be honest. Sure, he used his position to get what he wanted but slamming everyone involved with the band, their fans, iTunes & record stores and magazines that have previously supported the popular band is just really pathetic.

A-Trak · 27-11-2013 08:26PM

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Gotta laugh at the former LP fans deleting the band from the playlists etc.

They got into an awful band due to having awful taste in music and now that the singer has been outed as a nonce, suddenly the bands music can't be listened to anymore?

Shows how fickle you were in the first

Jesus Christ. Children, babies actually, were abused and raped.

And here you are with some sort of rock hipster attitude deriding a band and fans for their musical tastes, completely ignoring the actions of a sick sick man.
The smugness in your post is sickening.

Irish Guitarist · 27-11-2013 08:27PM

zerks wrote: »

Poor old H from Steps is getting grief online because of this scumbag,they happen to share the same name so dumbasses out there didn't bother to check and attacked H on facebook and twitter.

There are scumbags posting abuse on Twitter about him when they know full well it's a different Ian Watkins. Originally when it was a case of mistaken identity some Steps fans pointed out that he was a different Ian Watkins. A few scumbags thought this was hilarious and kept posting comments about how Ian 'H' Watkins was going to jail, not because they were mixing him up with the Lostprophets singer, but because they thought it would be hilarious to annoy his fans.

It's progressed from idiots getting two celebrities with the same name mixed up to bastards engaging in personal abuse aimed at someone who they know is innocent.

smileyj1987 · 27-11-2013 08:43PM

I hope Watkins is locked up until the say he dies . He shouldn't be ever let out of prison . People who say the band shouldn't make a penny from their music are being ridiculous . The rest of the band have to earn a living and should not be judged on the actions of their pure vile lead singer .

dark crystal · 27-11-2013 08:51PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

The only people to be looked into other than Ian and the women with him, are the police who didn't act on previous reports over 2 years ago. They only went to this guys house for a drug inspection and stumbled into the whole child porn/rape thing.

His ex partner actually made a complaint almost five years ago:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a534317/ian-watkins-child-sex-abuse-police-were-aware-of-claims-in-2008.html

She then made a complaint to the Police Complaints Commission due to the delay in the investigation, which was ultimately dropped due to insufficient evidence.

In a radio interview she said:

"I don't feel happy about it. I don't feel vindicated. I'm just devastated that it took so long.

"I've always said to the police, there's hundreds of victims out there and you're never going to find them because the mothers are in on it."

She added: "Every time I went to the police he was getting off on the fact that I was made to look an idiot."

The bolded quote is just chilling. I hope the police really start looking seriously into any woman who was in contact with this man to see if there were any other victims.
If what this woman is saying is true, this particular case may just be the tip of the iceberg.

Napper Hawkins · 27-11-2013 09:01PM

A-Trak wrote: »

Jesus Christ. Children, babies actually, were abused and raped.

And here you are with some sort of rock hipster attitude deriding a band and fans for their musical tastes, completely ignoring the actions of a sick sick man.
The smugness in your post is sickening.

Lol, where have I ignored Ian Watkins crime? I was having a go at those who would punish the other band members for his actions. Calling for their music to be taken out of circulation, why? Did the music all of a sudden change over night? It's not the bands fault he's scum. What I think of said band, their music or their fans musical taste is neither here nor there.

I suppose I just found it funny that someone who I already perceived as a kunt is actually an even bigger kunt than I once believed.

But no, I think it's ok or worth ignoring what he did, because that's all some of you seem to be taking from my posts.

Grayditch · 27-11-2013 09:06PM

Your posts was a sh1te smug hipster post, everyone thought so. Live with it.

Femme_Fatale · 27-11-2013 10:01PM

I agree with Napper that scavenging for reasons to blame the rest of the band is just symptomatic of the scapegoating fetish that's very prevalent.

Even intelligent people think "The way for evil to thrive is for people to do nothing" (various) is fierce groundbreaking, when all it does is propagate blame culture. The way for evil to thrive is for evil people to do evil stuff.

Let's blame the dude who did the abusing and the women who enabled it, instead of rushing to blame other people who could be innocent.

Femme_Fatale · 27-11-2013 10:01PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

There are scumbags posting abuse on Twitter about him when they know full well it's a different Ian Watkins. Originally when it was a case of mistaken identity some Steps fans pointed out that he was a different Ian Watkins. A few scumbags thought this was hilarious and kept posting comments about how Ian 'H' Watkins was going to jail, not because they were mixing him up with the Lostprophets singer, but because they thought it would be hilarious to annoy his fans.

It's progressed from idiots getting two celebrities with the same name mixed up to bastards engaging in personal abuse aimed at someone who they know is innocent.

Those twats enjoy these revelations.

Napper Hawkins · 27-11-2013 10:03PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Your posts was a sh1te smug hipster post, everyone thought so. Live with it.

Ah hipster, the default slur for anyone with a negative opinion of something mainstream. Usually bandied about by someone who has no clue what a hipster is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(contemporary_subculture)

RebelSoul · 27-11-2013 10:03PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I agree with Napper that scavenging for reasons to blame the rest of the band is just symptomatic of the scapegoating fetish that's very prevalent.

Even intelligent people think "The way for evil to thrive is for people to do nothing" (various) is fierce groundbreaking, when all it does is propagate blame culture.

Let's blame the dude who did the abusing and the women who enabled it, instead of rushing to blame other people who could be innocent.

The women involved did more than just enable it. They also abused the children.

27-11-2013 10:49PM

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Gotta laugh at the former LP fans deleting the band from the playlists etc.

They got into an awful band due to having awful taste in music and now that the singer has been outed as a nonce, suddenly the bands music can't be listened to anymore?

Shows how fickle you were in the first place.

He was the singer and main songwriter though, it's not like he was just a backup musician playing the cowbell or something. The songs the band played and recorded, regardless of how good or shít they are, have his vocals and his songwriting all over them. Can't really blame fans for not wanting to listen to them anymore, it doesn't mean that they hate the other, innocent band members.

Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

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