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Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

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  • #302
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    spiralism wrote: »
    I remember seeing their videos on Kerrang a number of times and they were in the magazine a ton, used to get it quite a bit...i feel dirty for ever having listened to them. Wasnt much of a fan but found a couple of early songs alright, i feel like i need to scrub my ears out with a wire brush now. This is pure ****ing evil, plain and simple.

    My friends and I have all gone through the task or removing any LP song of our playlists completely tainted now. The other band members will probably never work in the industry again whether or not they had any knowledge of this.
    I dont think he should be executed. Have him serve life without parole in general pop, much better treatment. Let him live in fear for the rest of his days and that may be the slightest shred of retribution next to what he did.

    If they put him in General Pop. he'll be dead or badly injured in a month. From what ive heard from Prison staff even the prisoners take a very dim view on pieces of **** like him. im usually a member of the "PC brigade" but pieces of **** like him should rot in the harshest conditions:mad:


  • #303
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Vicxas wrote: »
    You dont think that someone who has made so much money and could do anything they wanted would do THIS.

    But then you look at Jimmy Saville and Gary Glitter, and you wonder IS it the fact that they can do anything, or is it a mental thing?

    I truly don't think he's ever thought of it as deeply as that. I'm not even sure there was a sense he could get away with it at all. Everything I read so far, just indicated he had the access and the ability to find others into it, or who'd succumb to him. If anyone was to have declined him, he just went to someone else. Nothing about him thinking he'd get away with it.


  • #304
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    On the subject of getting away with it I think he would have waited until he was sure he was in control of a person and felt confident influencing them before revealing the worst stuff. So I don't think it was necessarily that he felt invincible or anything, just around a certain type of person he might have felt he could do anything.


  • #305
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Sunglasses Ron wrote: »
    While it sounds like and probably is an urban legend, anyone that stupid shouldn't be allowed to take care of themselves unsupervised, let alone kids.

    It wasn't. They all had prison sentences.

    http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=587148#.UpYLisu9KSM


  • #306
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    tritium wrote: »
    God I hate the "poor little innocent woman" defence. He made me do it m'lud, I was starstruck and too thick to know right from wrong.

    Just as guilty

    Just to clarify I don't think that the women are innocent or no less guilty than him. That was not a defence of them. Just saying that he clearly knew that they he would be able to talk them into doing this because of how obsessed with him they were. A normal loving mother would not be convinced to do this and he obviously could spot that


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  • #307
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭take everything


    tritium wrote: »
    God I hate the "poor little innocent woman" defence. He made me do it m'lud, I was starstruck and too thick to know right from wrong.

    Just as guilty

    What happened to these thick excuses for women?
    Hopefully they get what this guy got.


  • #308
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I am pie wrote: »
    Ah no, just five innocent lads out to earn a living apparently, sure it's more important they make a few quid from this than the feelings of the victims.
    .

    are you implying they knew what he was up to because they spent a lot of time with him. this could well be a mistake, because there are wholly innocent wives, mothers, sisters, best friends, who one day discover the person they cherished is not who they thought they were.
    paedophiles, who commit criminal offences, don't tend to make it apparent what they're up to, besides if you're friends with someone, there might be some aspects of their character that might seem a bit iffy to you, but you're not likely to conclude they're a child molester, because people, due to a deep emotional investment, will not want to think the worst of a someone they are close to



    i would agree if they knew he was sleeping with under age girls on tour, but turned a blind eye, because it's a rite of passage for rock bands to do such things, then they should have confronted him.


  • #309
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭take everything


    Neyite wrote: »
    This case was inches away from becoming another Baby P case. The mother in that instance was named, probably because Peter died. But throughout the trial and sentencing and even while imprisoned for a while, her identity was protected. She was denied a new identity on release from prison, and rightly so. So it might happen yet in this case, especially if the children are adopted into another family and have a new life for themselves. It would be a tragedy if those women had any further access to their victims.

    I do hope that they are officially named.

    Aren't some of the people involved in the Baby P case out now?
    Hard to fathom really.


  • #310
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    NTMK wrote: »
    My friends and I have all gone through the task or removing any LP song of our playlists completely tainted now. The other band members will probably never work in the industry again whether or not they had any knowledge of this.

    This is stupid as hell.

    They had no knowledge, why should they not work again? They didn't do anything. Any removing their music... why? Do you think it will hurt him or something? You feel it will make you feel better about the situation? I really don't get it.


  • #311
    D-FENS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭D-FENS


    Grayditch wrote: »
    If you're looking to nail him over something, might I suggest the whole baby rape thing?

    Sorry I don't follow you...


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  • #312
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    Holsten wrote: »
    This is stupid as hell.

    They had no knowledge, why should they not work again? They didn't do anything. Any removing their music... why? Do you think it will hurt him or something? You feel it will make you feel better about the situation? I really don't get it.

    Personally for me its tainted esp considering he was the lead singer thats it. it was the same with most of my friends i dont give two ****s who listens to them but i couldnt listen to them now

    i have no issue with any of the guys working in music at all. all i was saying that them being member of LP will hurt them going forward. I hope it wont but i can see it happening

    My apologies if my previous post was badly worded


  • #313
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Holsten wrote: »
    This is stupid as hell.

    They had no knowledge, why should they not work again? They didn't do anything. Any removing their music... why? Do you think it will hurt him or something? You feel it will make you feel better about the situation? I really don't get it.

    Someone had to know. They now have to say they didn't know or they are accomplices. Any money you give to them, will also go to him.


  • #314
    Warper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    Just a PR trick coming up to Xmas, try and sell more records


  • #315
    Dravokivich
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    clairefontaine wrote: »
    Someone had to know. They now have to say they didn't know or they are accomplices. Any money you give to them, will also go to him.

    The only people to be looked into other than Ian and the women with him, are the police who didn't act on previous reports over 2 years ago. They only went to this guys house for a drug inspection and stumbled into the whole child porn/rape thing.


  • #316
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    i'd watch the 5 second clip of the serbian movie i had the misfortune of seeing again before reading about what this sick fcuk done!!


  • #317
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Warper wrote: »
    Just a PR trick coming up to Xmas, try and sell more records

    Slow hand clap.

    Always one.


  • #318
    Rubat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22 ✭Rubat


    Abigayle wrote: »
    Reading how he was 'shaking in the dock' while pale and shaken..

    If I heard he was made a big boys bitch in prison I'd sleep soundly at night.

    Statements like that make you look just as bad as him. Grow up and get informed before spouting any more garbage like that.


  • #319
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    The only people to be looked into other than Ian and the women with him, are the police who didn't act on previous reports over 2 years ago. They only went to this guys house for a drug inspection and stumbled into the whole child porn/rape thing.

    You would have to assume that the police investigation included the bandmates and they are in the clear. We'll never know what they knew or didn't know beyond they haven't been charged with committing a crime. His actions will taint them for the rest of their careers , rightly or wrongly.

    I wish there was a way to stop him earning anymore royalties. I would hate to see this pig released in 10 years sitting on a fortune.

    Very unfortunate that the mob has turned on the poor lad from Steps who has the same surname.


  • #320
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    clairefontaine wrote: »
    Someone had to know. They now have to say they didn't know or they are accomplices. Any money you give to them, will also go to him.

    People did know, the women involved and at least one of his previous girlfriends. If I know you're committing crimes does that make me the same as you? No it doesn't.

    He is already a millionaire and will be upon on release from prison.

    I just don't see why say if you really like the music of Lostprophets you'll suddenly no longer like them because of this? Has the music changed? No.


  • #321
    Dravokivich
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    I am pie wrote: »
    You would have to assume that the police investigation included the bandmates and they are in the clear. We'll never know what they knew or didn't know beyond they haven't been charged with committing a crime. His actions will taint them for the rest of their careers , rightly or wrongly.

    I wish there was a way to stop him earning anymore royalties. I would hate to see this pig released in 10 years sitting on a fortune.

    Very unfortunate that the mob has turned on the poor lad from Steps who has the same surname.

    It's just as unfortunate that a handful of people here think that the rest of the band should suffer somewhat too, when there is nothing to presented to justify it.


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  • #322
    Napper Hawkins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    Gotta laugh at the former LP fans deleting the band from the playlists etc.

    They got into an awful band due to having awful taste in music and now that the singer has been outed as a nonce, suddenly the bands music can't be listened to anymore?

    Shows how fickle you were in the first place.

    I watched Ian Watkins and the Lost Prophets rise from zero with their self produced first album to become what they did, all the while looking at Ian becoming more and more of a typical, teenrock spa who sees himself as untouchable. The ever more silly succession of trendy emo haircuts and the increasingly poppy (in fairness, it's not like they were slayer to begin with) music and his general douchey, vain demeanor all served to make me hate him and his ****ty band of awful.

    Then this happened.

    It's poetic, almost.


  • #323
    JimBrady
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭JimBrady


    He should be fed his own testicles sick basterd


  • #324
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    It's just as unfortunate that a handful of people here think that the rest of the band should suffer somewhat too, when there is nothing to presented to justify it.

    Have you any concept of perspective? Honestly, it seems like it is an alien concept to you.

    To me it is more important that:

    1. The victims of this terrible crime and their families are protected from further suffering, that we can be compassionate enough to remove this band's albums from general sale to that aim.

    OR

    2. 5 lads who have already made a substantial sum of money continue to make more money from songs sung by one of the most evil and committed wretches the music business has ever seen.

    I'd rather live in a world where a victim is more important thanks, you go ahead championing the rights of those poor lads to make money off the work of a monster. Knock yourself out.

    Can they not start a new group, join other groups? Once the trial is over maybe we can start a feed the Lostprophet's 5 campaign or something.

    Honestly, are you joking?


  • #325
    Neyite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,948 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    take everything wrote: »
    Aren't some of the people involved in the Baby P case out now?
    Hard to fathom really.

    I know the mother is out, and living elsewhere in the UK. She was refused a new identity, proper order really.

    Not sure about the other two. His killer Owen was released in 2011 but broke his parole conditions and was jailed again, due to be released either next month or early next year according to the Daily Fail. Barker I think is still in prison, on a tariff of 10 years.

    And the social worker who repeatedly failed Baby Peter won £600,000 from an unfair dismissals action.


  • #326
    Rubat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22 ✭Rubat


    The 'raped in prison' comments on here are extraordinarily stupid and the people posting then really need to catch themselves on: (1)It's not going to happen, the authorities will make sure of that (2) You look just as bad as him.

    No love lost on the ****er myself, he deserves to be ruined, but I hate to see this sort of ignorance regarding prisoner welfare.


  • #327
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    I am pie wrote: »
    Have you any concept of perspective? Honestly, it seems like it is an alien concept to you.

    To me it is more important that:

    1. The victims of this terrible crime and their families are protected from further suffering, that we can be compassionate enough to remove this band's albums from general sale to that aim.

    OR

    2. 5 lads who have already made a substantial sum of money continue to make more money from songs sung by one of the most evil and committed wretches the music business has ever seen.

    I'd rather live in a world where a victim is more important thanks, you go ahead championing the rights of those poor lads to make money off the work of a monster. Knock yourself out.

    Can they not start a new group, join other groups? Once the trial is over maybe we can start a feed the Lostprophet's 5 campaign or something.

    Honestly, are you joking?

    NO, perspective is in regards to all those involved, not looking to push guilt onto those who weren't. Your perspective is skewed and misguided. Not mine. And that does not mean I'm inconsiderate to the victims. It means I'm not looking to blame those who had no input on the entire issue.


  • #328
    JimBrady
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭JimBrady


    Napper Hawkins wrote: »
    Gotta laugh at the former LP fans deleting the band from the playlists etc.

    They got into an awful band due to having awful taste in music and now that the singer has been outed as a nonce, suddenly the bands music can't be listened to anymore?

    Shows how fickle you were in the first place.

    I watched Ian Watkins and the Lost Prophets rise from zero with their self produced first album to become what they did, all the while looking at Ian becoming more and more of a typical, teenrock spa who sees himself as untouchable. The ever more silly succession of trendy emo haircuts and the increasingly poppy (in fairness, it's not like they were slayer to begin with) music and his general douchey, vain demeanor all served to make me hate him and his ****ty band of awful.

    Then this happened.

    It's poetic, almost.


    Yeah because a one year old getting raped is almost poetic. What the **** is wrong with you


  • #329
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    The only people to be looked into other than Ian and the women with him, are the police who didn't act on previous reports over 2 years ago. They only went to this guys house for a drug inspection and stumbled into the whole child porn/rape thing.

    So far.

    We may never find out who else knew. But someone always does.


  • #330
    Napper Hawkins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    JimBrady wrote: »
    Yeah because a one year old getting raped is almost poetic. What the **** is wrong with you

    Well, obviously I think a one year old being raped is almost poetic, or you're an idiot. Hmmm...


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  • #331
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    NO, perspective is in regards to all those involved, not looking to push guilt onto those who weren't. Your perspective is skewed and misguided. Not mine. And that does not mean I'm inconsiderate to the victims. It means I'm not looking to blame those who had no input on the entire issue.

    OK, so in your perspective the right to earn is more important than compassion for the victims. It's either-or here, nothing to do with pushing guilt. They aren't guilty, neither are the victims but one of them has to suffer.

    For me, it's a straightforward choice.


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