"Unemployment falls to 12.8%, lowest since 2009" says the PR spin. Are you working?

Corvo · 26-11-2013 07:50PM

Fudge You wrote: »

Where did you hear aviva are creating employment???
They are still getting rid of people. Jobs going over to the uk and India. The work force in Ireland has been slashed since 2008. Joke of a company.

Was about to post the same. They are shedding people like mad. Pretty much all claims handling is now dealt with in India.

Terrible company in my opinion.

ABajaninCork · 26-11-2013 08:02PM

I have to laugh.

I've been unemployed for just over two years now. I can't even get a Slave Jobbridge role as 'I am too experienced, and I'll soon be bored' (amongst other excuses). I'm sick of scanning every single job site, company careers board, tailoring CV's for every single application; dealing with employment agencies where the people don't know their arse from a hole in the ground, and know even less; applying for jobs that disappear into the ether never to be seen again, doing online courses that aren't fit for purpose, being talked down to by Welfare.

And they say unemployment is falling? What a joke!

The Diabolical Monocle · 26-11-2013 08:06PM

Your poll may not be reliable.

Due to social stigma some will not put themselves forward as being unemployed.

spank_inferno · 26-11-2013 08:13PM

Valetta wrote: »

The overall economy.

Which part of it were you speaking about?

Last year GDP grew slightly

However, last year the domestic economy, the part of the economy that pays taxes, GNP shrank by 1%.

There is a massive disparity between GDP & GNP, due to the multi-nationals booking revenues made elsewhere through Ireland to avoid tax.
Yet another smoke & mirrors job making the false impression of growth.

Cian92 · 26-11-2013 08:17PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Last year GDP grew slightly

However, last year the domestic economy, the part of the economy that pays taxes, GNP shrank by 1%.

There is a massive disparity between GDP & GNP, due to the multi-nationals booking revenues made elsewhere through Ireland to avoid tax.
Yet another smoke & mirrors job making the false impression of growth.

You are correct to distinguish between GDP & GNP. However, GDP is based more on production and GNP on revenues, so if the MNCs were 'booking revenues made elsewhere through Ireland to avoid tax' we should see that GNP is higher than GDP. What actually happens is many MNCs produce in Ireland which leads to higher GDP but repatriate the profits back home leading to a lower GNP.

TheGoldenAges · 26-11-2013 08:22PM

Second Year Student in my degree

sunflower27 · 26-11-2013 08:57PM

Any idea what the numbers on Jobbridge/CE schemes are?

ABajaninCork · 26-11-2013 09:00PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Any idea what the numbers on Jobbridge/CE schemes are?

Whatever they are, it'll be BS anyway. Lies, damned lies and statistics!

darkpagandeath · 26-11-2013 09:01PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Any idea what the numbers on Jobbridge/CE schemes are?

That would be a secret they guard very well or these figures they keep tossing out would be shown for what they are. And thats lies ....

sunflower27 · 26-11-2013 09:10PM

According to jobbridge site:

6521 currently on an Internship

The number on CE schemes has remained fairly stable at around 23,000 over the course of the recession.*

Not sure about other schemes....

* http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Review%20of%20Employment%20Support%20Schemes.pdf

darkpagandeath · 26-11-2013 09:15PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

According to jobbridge site:

6521 currently on an Internship

The number on CE schemes has remained fairly stable at around 23,000 over the course of the recession.*

Not sure about other schemes....

* http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Review%20of%20Employment%20Support%20Schemes.pdf

I doubt them figures are that low.. Fas Course and so on and the work experience all that jazz

Sh1tbag OToole · 26-11-2013 09:20PM

Valetta wrote: »

The figures are not lies.

You just choose to interpret them in your own way to suit your negative anti-government agenda.

Or you could choose to believe them without taking into account the numerous ways our overlords swindle the unemployment figures, to suit your own pro-government agenda

and if there is anyone around these parts with a pro-government agenda tis yourself!

Yellow121 · 26-11-2013 10:48PM

I have a job but I'm receiving social welfare. I'm not part of the 12.8% unemployed figure but I'm still on the dole.

questionmark? · 27-11-2013 12:18AM

In full time employment with a decent wage and prospects.

Looking forward to visiting Ireland this christmas though!!!!!!

Witchie · 27-11-2013 12:22AM

Am studying at the moment but we had a Jobs Expo in our college last week and I got offered a few jobs but as I am going to continue in education until next September I had to turn them down at the moment. I pointed them in the direction of some of my classmates who are looking for work so who knows.

I defo think there are more opportunities about since I lost my job 4 years ago.

B.A._Baracus · 27-11-2013 03:38PM

Witchie wrote: »

Am studying at the moment but we had a Jobs Expo in our college last week and I got offered a few jobs but as I am going to continue in education until next September I had to turn them down at the moment. I pointed them in the direction of some of my classmates who are looking for work so who knows.

I defo think there are more opportunities about since I lost my job 4 years ago.

Good to hear Witchie

Bog Standard User · 27-11-2013 03:40PM

questionmark? wrote: »

In full time employment with a decent wage and prospects.

Looking forward to visiting Ireland this christmas though!!!!!!

quick sell him overpriced tat

Sierra Oscar · 27-11-2013 03:41PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

Out of curiosity are most unemployed living outside dublin, I know almost no one out of work in dublin, maybe not in jobs they love but all certainly making enough to live, saying that, none have mortgages or silly debts over them

Most new jobs are being created in Dublin, I think 8 out of every 10 jobs created in Ireland at the moment are based in Dublin.

That is also why we have a rental accommodation shortage in Dublin as people flock to the city to take up new jobs / look for employment, and that is resulting in property prices and rents sky rocketing.

CruelCoin · 27-11-2013 03:50PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

More bollixology and spin. I wonder how these numbers would look if all the Christmas jobs and JobBridge "jobs" werent added to the tally? It would be closer to 25% at least

Poll to follow

Posting in a "I 'aint workin', so nobody is" thread

Bog Standard User · 27-11-2013 04:24PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Posting in a "I 'aint workin', so nobody is" thread

im working.

homerjay2005 · 27-11-2013 05:16PM

Red Kev wrote: »

emigration is playing a big role in keeping the jobless numbers down

to an extent yes, but for every 10 people i know that have left the country, 9 of them had jobs when they left.

the majority left for the many reasons such as being sick of listening to people talking about having a s*it life, the overall sense of doom and gloom that is here, the s*ite political set up that is enforced on us, the complete lack of value in every day life, even the weather is enough to depress people even further.

add in the fact that its always been "traditional" for 18-25 year old to emigrate for a year or two (but obviously not on the same scale) its not the big disaster that people are talking about. i left this country during the boom for 10 months as did many people my age.

NTMK · 27-11-2013 05:23PM

Bog Standard User wrote: »

quick sell him overpriced tat

We know about the overpriced tat and we wont be buying

You'll have to wait for our kids and grandkids to buy that **** :pac:

moxin · 27-11-2013 05:29PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Most new jobs are being created in Dublin, I think 8 out of every 10 jobs created in Ireland at the moment are based in Dublin.

23,000 net jobs in Dublin this year so about 40% of the total.

Employment increased in eight of the fourteen economic sectors over the year (excluding
Not stated
) and fell in six.
The largest rates of increase were recorded in the Agriculture, forestry and fishing
(+29.3% or 25,100),
the Accommodation and food service activities
(+11.9% or 14,700)
and the Professional, scientific and technicalactivities
(+10.8% or 10,900) sectors.

Something fishy is going on.:P

SmurfX · 27-11-2013 05:38PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

More bollixology and spin. I wonder how these numbers would look if all the Christmas jobs and JobBridge "jobs" werent added to the tally? It would be closer to 25% at least

Only in Ireland do people try to damage control on what is good news for everyone.

Sierra Oscar · 27-11-2013 05:45PM

moxin wrote: »

23,000 net jobs in Dublin this year so about 40% of the total.

Something fishy is going on.:P

Any idea of the figure for the Greater Dublin Area?

moxin · 27-11-2013 06:20PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Any idea of the figure for the Greater Dublin Area?

Stats here, it doesn't really say the composition of jobs in the Dublin area. http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2013/qnhs_q32013.pdf

Unless there was massive recruitment on fishing boats at Howth or for picking spuds in the fields at Lusk, I doubt agriculture\fisheries created much employment in Dublin

dj jarvis · 27-11-2013 06:41PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

... :pac:

No "anti-government agenda" here - I just have something between my ears Clap for more fish from the government, why dont you :pac:

so , lets dish up the cold hard facts you have that contradict the INDEPENDENT figures that the CSO have published ???

or are you just bull****ting slightly ?

Antar Bolaeisk · 27-11-2013 06:46PM

Oryx wrote: »

It looks good because anyone who could went abroad.

Not all of us... Oh, wait...

To be fair, I had a job back in Ireland and was offered a better job, comparable to what I'm on here, before I left. I just came here for the adventure.

titan18 · 27-11-2013 07:02PM

Not atm, employers can't be bothered to respond to any of my job applications

dj jarvis · 27-11-2013 07:06PM

the figure to be looked at is the amount of jobs created in the last year , in comparison to the previous year(s)
according to the CSO the largest amount of jobs since the tail end of 2007 , can someone tell me how migration has ANYTHING to do with the amount of jobs created ?

not to be confused with the jobless figures VS emigration

this is all about job CREATION - and the figures dont lie - more jobs are being created in the open job market

this has nothing to do with government "manipulation" of the unemployed rate ,
did the dept of SW have a lot less to cut from the budget , due to the fact they were surprised with the amount of people leaving the live registrar , taking out the figures for emigration they roughly match the amount of new jobs made
( source : some dude on newstalk this morning , who had no affiliation to either the CSO or the dirty spoofing gov - pod cast it )

"Unemployment falls to 12.8%, lowest since 2009" says the PR spin. Are you working?

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