"Unemployment falls to 12.8%, lowest since 2009" says the PR spin. Are you working?

IvaBigWun

More bollixology and spin. I wonder how these numbers would look if all the Christmas jobs and JobBridge "jobs" werent added to the tally? It would be closer to 25% at least

The Government has claimed a turnaround in the rate of unemployment is evidence of the strengthening Irish economy.

Figures released by the Central Statistics Office today show that The numbers unemployed fell by 41,700 in the year to the end of September, reducing the total number of people out of work to 282,900.

As a result the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate decreased from 13.6 per cent to 12.8 per cent over the July to September quarter while the number of people unemployed fell by 18,000. This is the fifth quarter in succession where unemployment has declined on an annual basis and has led to the lowest rate of unemployment since 2009.

Taoiseach Enda Kenny said over 1,000 new jobs were being created per week in the economy and there were “positive signs that business confidence is rising”

There was an annual increase in employment of 3.2 per cent or 58,000 in the year to the end of September, bringing total employment to 1,899,300.

The figures also show a decline in long term unemployment from 8.9 per cent to 7.6 per cent over the year.

“More than 1,000 people a week are returning to work, proof that the measures taken by the Government to stabilise the economy and address the unemployment crisis which we inherited are paying off,” Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton said.

The latest figures follow separate data published by the CSO showing that the Live Register in October fell below 400,000 for the first time in four years.

Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Richard Bruton took to Twitter to welcome the increasing employment figures.

“Private sector adding 1,200 jobs a week. Very encouraging. Testament to Irish workforce and entrepreneurial spirit. Real base to build on,” he said.

Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore highlighted the decline in the long-term unemployment rate which he said had fallen from 8.9 per cent to 7.6 per cent over the past year.

However, the amount of people classed as long-term unemployed - out of work for a year or more - accounts for 58 per cent of the total - only down about 1 per cent from a year earlier.

The total number of people in the labour force is 2,182,100 - up 16,300 over the year.

Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton said: “There are still far too many people out of work, and tackling unemployment will remain the Government’s number one priority, but these figures demonstrate that we are making steady progress”.

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IvaBigWun

IvaBigWun wrote: »

. I wonder how these numbers would look if all the Christmas jobs werent added to the tally?

It already said it's seasonally adjusted

fastrac

The biggest threat is the amount of people who are laid off and have had to take big pay cuts as well as losing entitlements to get another job. They wont show up in any report.

Dravokivich

bluewolf wrote: »

It already said it's seasonally adjusted

Which means absolutely nothing in fairness. A temp job now, which'll be gone in 2 months time, is not something to claim as a success for jobs.

TheMilkyPirate

I'm unemployed and finding it incredibly difficult to find work.

I'm not one of these people who are too good for certain jobs either, I'd work at anything.

IvaBigWun

bluewolf wrote: »

It already said it's seasonally adjusted

Even still its PR spin and bollixology. Take those slave free labour JobBridge jobs away and those numbers would tell the true tale.

The government are trying to falsely boost a perception bubble. And we all know how bubbles end in Ireland

Red Kev

There was an annual increase in employment of 3.2 per cent or 58,000 in the year to the end of September, bringing total employment to 1,899,300.

^ This is the most important sentence in that article.

The government are massaging figures alright and emigration is playing a big role in keeping the jobless numbers down but an increase of 58,000 people in work is good news. Providing of course these are "real jobs" and not Jobridge or some such other scheme.

People in work create other jobs as well, more disposable income in people's pockets means more work in the service industries. Of course it's another job altogether to get people to spend money in a way that will create work in this country.

Still not satisfied with the government myself as i think there's a lot more they could be doing to get things going.

Gone Drinking

Dravokivich wrote: »

Which means absolutely nothing in fairness. A temp job now, which'll be gone in 2 months time, is not something to claim as a success for jobs.

It all stands to you. My brothers on a jobsbridge internship, something he badly needed from an experience point of view.

People working over Christmas will have a few quid to spend, which will benefit the economy also. Plus, put a smile on their faces!

IvaBigWun

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Ficheall

I've emigrated for work.

I miss you guys

melekalikimaka

good news coming up to christmas, this have been looking up last few months to be fair

darkpagandeath

Gone Drinking wrote: »

It all stands to you. My brothers on a jobsbridge internship, something he badly needed from an experience point of view.

People working over Christmas will have a few quid to spend, which will benefit the economy also. Plus, put a smile on their faces!

You mean the €50 which most people spend on travel ?

Karl Stein

Time to buy apartments and fur coats again then.

denlaw

IBEC getting everything they wanted for xmas...Again

Soft Falling Rain

Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton said: “There are still far too many people out of work, and tackling unemployment will remain the Government’s number one priority, but these figures demonstrate that we are making steady progress”.

I thought shakedowns on the most vulnerable in this society was the number one priority.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

Which means absolutely nothing in fairness. A temp job now, which'll be gone in 2 months time, is not something to claim as a success for jobs.

Which they don't if it's based on christmas seasonal work trends

Oryx

It looks good because anyone who could went abroad.

Dravokivich

Gone Drinking wrote: »

It all stands to you. My brothers on a jobsbridge internship, something he badly needed from an experience point of view.

People working over Christmas will have a few quid to spend, which will benefit the economy also. Plus, put a smile on their faces!

I wish him the best of luck, but that's not what the article is about. It's claiming a success, while its solely a short term one and makes no change regarding employment in the long term.

bluewolf wrote: »

Which they don't if it's based on christmas seasonal work trends

I know it was based on summer, which is the same length of period and would be repeating now.

SimonQuinlank

Judging from the queue outside Clondalkin SW office this afternoon not much has improved around here.

IvaBigWun

What "Other"s are people talking about with their votes on the above poll out of curiosity?

Plazaman

In all fairness, fair play to the Government and especially Joan Burton, their hard work and dedication to getting the country back to work has paid off.

Sent from my iPhone at Terminal 2 Dublin Airport

melekalikimaka

I have a feeling OP is unemployed

msg11

I have to laugh when the likes of Dell, Aviva come out and tell us that they are creating employment after blasting 100's of Irish workers out of there workforce.

Or the 200 jobs created by supermarkets, yeah 200 part time jobs at 20 hours a week.

Company's like to swing the term jobs around. There should be a law, it must be a full time job and your company cannot say these jobs are new jobs if you have previously let 100's go.

stimpson

I was made redundant last year. Got a 6 month contract in February which lead to a Permanent job (on better pay and conditions from my last perm job)

Just this morning I heard that a friend who did a Job Bridge after college has been offered work in the same company after being out of work for a few months.

Doing something with your time will give you an edge over someone who is just sitting in their hole. I'd be bored to tears if I was signing on for any length of time.

darkpagandeath

msg11 wrote: »

I have to laugh when the likes of Dell, Aviva come out and tell us that they are creating employment after blasting 100's of Irish workers out of there workforce.

Or the 200 jobs created by supermarkets, yeah 200 part time jobs at 20 hours a week.

Company's like to swing the term jobs around. There should be a law, it must be a full time job and your company cannot say these jobs are new jobs if you have previously let 100's go.

You mean taking advantage of a recession to let go the highly paid people then rehire people at a pittance ?

Soft Falling Rain

stimpson wrote: »

I was made redundant last year. Got a 6 month contract in February which lead to a Permanent job (on better pay and conditions from my last perm job)

Just this morning I heard that a friend who did a Job Bridge after college has been offered work in the same company after being out of work for a few months.

Doing something with your time will give you an edge over someone who is just sitting in their hole. I'd be bored to tears if I was signing on for any length of time.

Not everyone is like your friend who was rewarded at the end of his internship and yes, that's even in spite of having done a good job.

Plenty of people put the effort in, immense effort, they just can't catch a break.

IvaBigWun

melekalikimaka wrote: »

I have a feeling OP is unemployed

Thankfully not

Turtyturd

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Even still its PR spin and bollixology. Take those slave free labour JobBridge jobs away and those numbers would tell the true tale.

The government are trying to falsely boost a perception bubble. And we all know how bubbles end in Ireland

Jobbridge website says there are currently just over 6,500 people on internships....that's not going to account for the drop.

Gone Drinking

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You mean the €50 which most people spend on travel ?

The first paragraph was talking about jobsbridge and experience.

I was talking about contract or just 2 month Christmas work in the second paragraph.

SimonQuinlank

Turtyturd wrote: »

Jobbridge website says there are currently just over 6,500 people on internships....that's not going to account for the drop.

CE schemes,TUS placements,FAS courses etc too.

Nailz

3rd Year University student, will be going into a full-time internship in January though, running for the short term, then back into college for my final year in September.

stimpson

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Not everyone is like your friend who was rewarded at the end of his internship and yes, that's even in spite of having done a good job.

Plenty of people put the effort in, immense effort, they just can't catch a break.

There is some luck involved, but saying that seasonal work or Job Bridge will never lead to anything is just not true. It makes you more employable than someone who has not taken advantage of the scheme, especially for people fresh out of school or college.

Bog Standard User

Turtyturd wrote: »

Jobbridge website says there are currently just over 6,500 people on internships....that's not going to account for the drop.

6500 on jobsbridge (not counted as unemployed)
the 10's of thousands that emigrated
the 10's of thousands on single parent allowance (not counted as unemployed)


joan & the cso loves to fudge numbers for the government pr.

darkpagandeath

Turtyturd wrote: »

Jobbridge website says there are currently just over 6,500 people on internships....that's not going to account for the drop.

What about Fas placements and all them other free internships job bridge is just one free labour scheme

racso1975

2 days unemployed. Already pulling my fukin hair out!!!!

spank_inferno

More people are working, yet the value of the economy contracts year after year.

So the government plan of getting people back to work , for no wages is bearing fruit.

Labour in government.... they deliver.

B.A._Baracus

BS by the government.

Apart from people leaving the country. You can do a momentum course, even a full time FAS course and be taken off "the live register" - it's bs. you are still unemployed. you are still collecting payment. These figures are lies. There is still massive unemployment.

But who do these figures con? actually, who are they for?
Our German bank managers? or to tell people go out and spend, it's grand, recession is over?

IvaBigWun

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

BS by the government.

Apart from people leaving the country. You can do a momentum course, even a full time FAS course and be taken off "the live register" - it's bs. you are still unemployed. you are still collecting payment. These figures are lies. There is still massive unemployment.

But who do these figures con? actually, who are they for?
Our German bank managers? or to tell people go out and spend, it's grand, recession is over?

Nail. On. Head.

Valetta

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

BS by the government.

Apart from people leaving the country. You can do a momentum course, even a full time FAS course and be taken off "the live register" - it's bs. you are still unemployed. you are still collecting payment. These figures are lies. There is still massive unemployment.

But who do these figures con? actually, who are they for?
Our German bank managers? or to tell people go out and spend, it's grand, recession is over?

The figures are not lies.

You just choose to interpret them in your own way to suit your negative anti-government agenda.

stimpson

The CSO stats are available on CSO.ie

Employed 1,899,300 + 58,000
Unemployed 282,900 – 41,700

Note the difference between the changes in Employed and the change in Unemployed. People in Fas etc. are not counted in the Unemployed figure, but they are not counted in the Employed figure either, yet there are 58000 more people Employed.

Soft Falling Rain

stimpson wrote: »

There is some luck involved, but saying that seasonal work or Job Bridge will never lead to anything is just not true. It makes you more employable than someone who has not taken advantage of the scheme, especially for people fresh out of school or college.

Fair point, but I think an intern would be relying heavily on being given a job by their host organisation.

In reality, 9 months of interning will pale when you're competing for vacancies with people with years of paid experience. If I take the social care/not for profit sector for example, just look at the amount of job specs that emphasize paid experience. So they're not even entertaining applications from interns who were cut loose.

Now, as you alluded to, absolutely fair play to a 21 year old coming out of college for having the drive to do an internship. But at the end of those 9 months, if they aren't given a job, they "go back" to the dole where they'll be getting €144 (or less?), and where they are facing an almost impossible position of competing for jobs. Will the government acknowledge the fact that they did an internship that didn't work out by increasing their dole rate? Not a hope.

darkpagandeath

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Fair point, but I think an intern would be relying heavily on being given a job by their host organisation.

In reality, 9 months of interning will pale when you're competing for vacancies with people with years of paid experience. If I take the social care/not for profit sector for example, just look at the amount of job specs that emphasize paid experience. So they're not even entertaining applications from interns who were cut loose.

Now, as you alluded to, absolutely fair play to a 21 year old coming out of college for having the drive to do an internship. But at the end of those 9 months, if they aren't given a job, they "go back" to the dole where they'll be getting €144 (or less?), and where they are facing an almost impossible position of competing for jobs. Will the government acknowledge the fact that they did an internship that didn't work out by increasing their dole rate? Not a hope.

18 months now

yermanoffthetv

Oh I'm in full time employment alright... I just had to go to the other hemisphere to get it

melekalikimaka

Out of curiosity are most unemployed living outside dublin, I know almost no one out of work in dublin, maybe not in jobs they love but all certainly making enough to live, saying that, none have mortgages or silly debts over them

Bucklesman

Michael Taft has pulled it all apart here and here. Put simply, Ireland is hemorrhaging young adults at five times the Eurozone average, and if we weren't, our unemployment rates would look like Greece's. In the short term it's great for the Government -- it saves money and keeps politics stable -- but down the line, there'll be nobody of working age to pay for social services.

All so they can tell us things are looking up.

http://youtu.be/_ogxZxu6cjM?t=1m3s

Gone Drinking

msg11 wrote: »

I have to laugh when the likes of Dell, Aviva come out and tell us that they are creating employment after blasting 100's of Irish workers out of there workforce.

Or the 200 jobs created by supermarkets, yeah 200 part time jobs at 20 hours a week.

Company's like to swing the term jobs around. There should be a law, it must be a full time job and your company cannot say these jobs are new jobs if you have previously let 100's go.

I assume in regards to Dell, you're talking about the manufacturing plant in Limerick that got moved to Poland? It then got moved to China.

I feel for the people who lost their jobs but most large electronics company's have their products manufactured in China. Several other computer brands are made in Japan and Taiwan. If you want to stay in the game in terms of price, you need to lower manufacturing costs.

Dell hired 300 people to work in Financial services recently, quite a bit of a difference in job spec to working in the manufacturing facility.

Company's grow and shrink. That's why redundancy is there, to give workers a cushion when the worst happens. You can't just keep a place open somewhere because its good for the local people. It's a business after all..

Fudge You

msg11 wrote: »

I have to laugh when the likes of Dell, Aviva come out and tell us that they are creating employment after blasting 100's of Irish workers out of there workforce.

.

Where did you hear aviva are creating employment???
They are still getting rid of people. Jobs going over to the uk and India. The work force in Ireland has been slashed since 2008. Joke of a company.

Soft Falling Rain

darkpagandeath wrote: »

18 months now

I'd still be willing to wager that employers would still scoff at your 18 months experience interning in comparison to someone else with years of paid experience.

Having it at 18 months just raises the stakes even more for the person doing the internship. The bigger the time period the bigger the sacrifice.

Peetrik

I'd like to see a few Daíl members get replaced by people on Jobbridge, now that would be a real success. Not to mention we'd save a fortune.

stimpson

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Fair point, but I think an intern would be relying heavily on being given a job by their host organisation.

In reality, 9 months of interning will pale when you're competing for vacancies with people with years of paid experience.

Of course they will, but there is no magic fix for that. 9 months interning will still make you more employable than someone with no experience whatsoever.

Now, as you alluded to, absolutely fair play to a 21 year old coming out of college for having the drive to do an internship. But at the end of those 9 months, if they aren't given a job, they "go back" to the dole where they'll be getting €144 (or less?), and where they are facing an almost impossible position of competing for jobs. Will the government acknowledge the fact that they did an internship that didn't work out by increasing their dole rate? Not a hope.

No argument from me there - I think it's disgraceful. It doesn't mean the experience they gained won't stand to them in future.

B.A._Baracus

Valetta wrote: »

The figures are not lies.

You just choose to interpret them in your own way to suit your negative anti-government agenda.

... :pac:


No "anti-government agenda" here - I just have something between my ears Clap for more fish from the government, why dont you :pac: