"Unemployment falls to 12.8%, lowest since 2009" says the PR spin. Are you working?

stimpson · 26-11-2013 05:55PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Not everyone is like your friend who was rewarded at the end of his internship and yes, that's even in spite of having done a good job.

Plenty of people put the effort in, immense effort, they just can't catch a break.

There is some luck involved, but saying that seasonal work or Job Bridge will never lead to anything is just not true. It makes you more employable than someone who has not taken advantage of the scheme, especially for people fresh out of school or college.

Bog Standard User · 26-11-2013 05:55PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Jobbridge website says there are currently just over 6,500 people on internships....that's not going to account for the drop.

6500 on jobsbridge (not counted as unemployed)
the 10's of thousands that emigrated
the 10's of thousands on single parent allowance (not counted as unemployed)

joan & the cso loves to fudge numbers for the government pr.

darkpagandeath · 26-11-2013 05:55PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Jobbridge website says there are currently just over 6,500 people on internships....that's not going to account for the drop.

What about Fas placements and all them other free internships job bridge is just one free labour scheme

racso1975 · 26-11-2013 05:57PM

2 days unemployed. Already pulling my fukin hair out!!!!

spank_inferno · 26-11-2013 05:58PM

More people are working, yet the value of the economy contracts year after year.

So the government plan of getting people back to work , for no wages is bearing fruit.

Labour in government.... they deliver.

B.A._Baracus · 26-11-2013 05:58PM

BS by the government.

Apart from people leaving the country. You can do a momentum course, even a full time FAS course and be taken off "the live register" - it's bs. you are still unemployed. you are still collecting payment. These figures are lies. There is still massive unemployment.

But who do these figures con? actually, who are they for?

Our German bank managers? or to tell people go out and spend, it's grand, recession is over?

IvaBigWun · 26-11-2013 06:02PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

BS by the government.

Apart from people leaving the country. You can do a momentum course, even a full time FAS course and be taken off "the live register" - it's bs. you are still unemployed. you are still collecting payment. These figures are lies. There is still massive unemployment.

But who do these figures con? actually, who are they for?
Our German bank managers? or to tell people go out and spend, it's grand, recession is over?

Nail. On. Head.

Valetta · 26-11-2013 06:07PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

BS by the government.

Apart from people leaving the country. You can do a momentum course, even a full time FAS course and be taken off "the live register" - it's bs. you are still unemployed. you are still collecting payment. These figures are lies. There is still massive unemployment.

But who do these figures con? actually, who are they for?
Our German bank managers? or to tell people go out and spend, it's grand, recession is over?

The figures are not lies.

You just choose to interpret them in your own way to suit your negative anti-government agenda.

stimpson · 26-11-2013 06:08PM

The CSO stats are available on CSO.ie

Employed 1,899,300 + 58,000
Unemployed 282,900 – 41,700

Note the difference between the changes in Employed and the change in Unemployed. People in Fas etc. are not counted in the Unemployed figure, but they are not counted in the Employed figure either, yet there are 58000 more people Employed.

Soft Falling Rain · 26-11-2013 06:11PM

stimpson wrote: »

There is some luck involved, but saying that seasonal work or Job Bridge will never lead to anything is just not true. It makes you more employable than someone who has not taken advantage of the scheme, especially for people fresh out of school or college.

Fair point, but I think an intern would be relying heavily on being given a job by their host organisation.

In reality, 9 months of interning will pale when you're competing for vacancies with people with years of paid experience. If I take the social care/not for profit sector for example, just look at the amount of job specs that emphasize paid experience. So they're not even entertaining applications from interns who were cut loose.

Now, as you alluded to, absolutely fair play to a 21 year old coming out of college for having the drive to do an internship. But at the end of those 9 months, if they aren't given a job, they "go back" to the dole where they'll be getting €144 (or less?), and where they are facing an almost impossible position of competing for jobs. Will the government acknowledge the fact that they did an internship that didn't work out by increasing their dole rate? Not a hope.

darkpagandeath · 26-11-2013 06:13PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Fair point, but I think an intern would be relying heavily on being given a job by their host organisation.

In reality, 9 months of interning will pale when you're competing for vacancies with people with years of paid experience. If I take the social care/not for profit sector for example, just look at the amount of job specs that emphasize paid experience. So they're not even entertaining applications from interns who were cut loose.

Now, as you alluded to, absolutely fair play to a 21 year old coming out of college for having the drive to do an internship. But at the end of those 9 months, if they aren't given a job, they "go back" to the dole where they'll be getting €144 (or less?), and where they are facing an almost impossible position of competing for jobs. Will the government acknowledge the fact that they did an internship that didn't work out by increasing their dole rate? Not a hope.

18 months now

yermanoffthetv · 26-11-2013 06:14PM

Oh I'm in full time employment alright... I just had to go to the other hemisphere to get it

melekalikimaka · 26-11-2013 06:17PM

Out of curiosity are most unemployed living outside dublin, I know almost no one out of work in dublin, maybe not in jobs they love but all certainly making enough to live, saying that, none have mortgages or silly debts over them

Bucklesman · 26-11-2013 06:18PM

Michael Taft has pulled it all apart here and here. Put simply, Ireland is hemorrhaging young adults at five times the Eurozone average, and if we weren't, our unemployment rates would look like Greece's. In the short term it's great for the Government -- it saves money and keeps politics stable -- but down the line, there'll be nobody of working age to pay for social services.

All so they can tell us things are looking up.

http://youtu.be/_ogxZxu6cjM?t=1m3s

Gone Drinking · 26-11-2013 06:19PM

msg11 wrote: »

I have to laugh when the likes of Dell, Aviva come out and tell us that they are creating employment after blasting 100's of Irish workers out of there workforce.

Or the 200 jobs created by supermarkets, yeah 200 part time jobs at 20 hours a week.

Company's like to swing the term jobs around. There should be a law, it must be a full time job and your company cannot say these jobs are new jobs if you have previously let 100's go.

I assume in regards to Dell, you're talking about the manufacturing plant in Limerick that got moved to Poland? It then got moved to China.

I feel for the people who lost their jobs but most large electronics company's have their products manufactured in China. Several other computer brands are made in Japan and Taiwan. If you want to stay in the game in terms of price, you need to lower manufacturing costs.

Dell hired 300 people to work in Financial services recently, quite a bit of a difference in job spec to working in the manufacturing facility.

Company's grow and shrink. That's why redundancy is there, to give workers a cushion when the worst happens. You can't just keep a place open somewhere because its good for the local people. It's a business after all..

Fudge You · 26-11-2013 06:19PM

msg11 wrote: »

I have to laugh when the likes of Dell, Aviva come out and tell us that they are creating employment after blasting 100's of Irish workers out of there workforce.

.

Where did you hear aviva are creating employment???
They are still getting rid of people. Jobs going over to the uk and India. The work force in Ireland has been slashed since 2008. Joke of a company.

Soft Falling Rain · 26-11-2013 06:20PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

18 months now

I'd still be willing to wager that employers would still scoff at your 18 months experience interning in comparison to someone else with years of paid experience.

Having it at 18 months just raises the stakes even more for the person doing the internship. The bigger the time period the bigger the sacrifice.

Peetrik · 26-11-2013 06:20PM

I'd like to see a few Daíl members get replaced by people on Jobbridge, now that would be a real success. Not to mention we'd save a fortune.

stimpson · 26-11-2013 06:21PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Fair point, but I think an intern would be relying heavily on being given a job by their host organisation.

In reality, 9 months of interning will pale when you're competing for vacancies with people with years of paid experience.

Of course they will, but there is no magic fix for that. 9 months interning will still make you more employable than someone with no experience whatsoever.

Now, as you alluded to, absolutely fair play to a 21 year old coming out of college for having the drive to do an internship. But at the end of those 9 months, if they aren't given a job, they "go back" to the dole where they'll be getting €144 (or less?), and where they are facing an almost impossible position of competing for jobs. Will the government acknowledge the fact that they did an internship that didn't work out by increasing their dole rate? Not a hope.

No argument from me there - I think it's disgraceful. It doesn't mean the experience they gained won't stand to them in future.

B.A._Baracus · 26-11-2013 06:21PM

Valetta wrote: »

The figures are not lies.

You just choose to interpret them in your own way to suit your negative anti-government agenda.

... :pac:

No "anti-government agenda" here - I just have something between my ears

Clap for more fish from the government, why dont you :pac:

darkpagandeath · 26-11-2013 06:24PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

I'd still be willing to wager that employers would still scoff at your 18 months experience interning in comparison to someone else with years of paid experience.

Having it at 18 months just raises the stakes even more for the person doing the internship. The bigger the time period the bigger the sacrifice.

sorry i ment 18 month now and still nothing at the end of it should have put more in :P

darkpagandeath · 26-11-2013 06:26PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

... :pac:

No "anti-government agenda" here - I just have something between my ears Clap for more fish from the government, why dont you :pac:

what happened to the free cheese btw ? did anyone get any ?

Ray Palmer · 26-11-2013 06:26PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You mean taking advantage of a recession to let go the highly paid people then rehire people at a pittance ?

Except that doesn't happen as if you make people redundant you can't hire anybody for the same role for a year. Don't let reality stop you making statements though:p

everdead.ie · 26-11-2013 06:32PM

Increase in the number employed is the most important thing.

It's not PR spin to say things are getting better but it's going to be a while before we can re-absorb those who left for employment and a while before unemployment is back to a reasonable rate.

darkpagandeath · 26-11-2013 06:59PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Except that doesn't happen as if you make people redundant you can't hire anybody for the same role for a year. Don't let reality stop you making statements though:p

You forgetting a free intern's there ? fas/Tus job bridge call the position something else loads of ways around it. so don't let reality stop you making statements though :P

spank_inferno · 26-11-2013 07:31PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You forgetting a free intern's there ? fas/Tus job bridge call the position something else loads of ways around it. so don't let reality stop you making statements though :P

On top of that the likes of microsoft & Vodafone letting hundreds go, only to be replaced by a "graduate programme".

Again, what does it say when employment rises yet the economy shrinks?

A recovery without improving living standards.

Valetta · 26-11-2013 07:34PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

On top of that the likes of microsoft & Vodafone letting hundreds go, only to be replaced by a "graduate programme".

Again, what does it say when employment rises yet the economy shrinks?

A recovery without improving living standards.

The economy is growing, not shrinking.

darkpagandeath · 26-11-2013 07:36PM

Valetta wrote: »

The economy is growing, not shrinking.

You mean the export economy ?

TomoBhoy · 26-11-2013 07:37PM

If there was job growth there would be more tax coming in alas there's not #Scambridge

Valetta · 26-11-2013 07:43PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You mean the export economy ?

The overall economy.

Which part of it were you speaking about?

"Unemployment falls to 12.8%, lowest since 2009" says the PR spin. Are you working?

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