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  • #242
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    almighty1 wrote: »
    Jaysus that's it then, potential health implications from EMFs are now well and truly blasted out of the water. :rolleyes:

    All the studies in the world (however conclusive or inconclusive the evidence) and we'll take the opinion of these two guys.

    Moved to here

    You are suggesting that the Prof Emeritus of Haematology & Academic Medicine, St James’s Hospital and TCD, and the Prof of Haematology,
    Consultant Paediatric Haematologist, Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital and TCD are just "two guys"? That their "opinion" carries no weight? And you in fact regard them as two comedians?


  • #243
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    micosoft wrote: »
    You are suggesting that the Prof Emeritus of Haematology & Academic Medicine, St James’s Hospital and TCD, and the Prof of Haematology,
    Consultant Paediatric Haematologist, Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital and TCD are just "two guys"? That their "opinion" carries no weight? And you in fact regard them as two comedians?

    No you're the comedian. Placing their opinions as the final word on EMF related health risks. That's funny and I'm being lenient on you.


  • #244
    sonic85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭sonic85


    good few people on this thread who seem to have no problem with pylons. why don't eirgrid get their names and addresses and amend the route so it goes past these peoples houses.

    its a win win


  • #245
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    sonic85 wrote: »
    good few people on this thread who seem to have no problem with pylons. why don't eirgrid get their names and addresses and amend the route so it goes past these peoples houses.

    its a win win

    Very good :D


  • #246
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    sonic85 wrote: »
    good few people on this thread who seem to have no problem with pylons. why don't eirgrid get their names and addresses and amend the route so it goes past these peoples houses.


    If you'd actually bothered to read the thread you'd have noticed that many posters already live in the shadow of pylons. And they are a little upset that people are asking for investment to bypass individual dwellings when it wasn't given to bypass multiple housing estates in the cities.


    This from September - did anyone attend ?
    http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/eirgrid-power-lines-1066644-Sep2013/


    Also
    EirGrid is required as the licensed Transmission System
    Operator in Statuary Instrument 445, 8(1a) to:
    ‘to operate and ensure the maintenance of and, if
    necessary, develop a safe, secure, reliable, economical
    and efficient electricity transmission system, … and having
    due regard for the environment;’

    Underground is not as economic or efficient. Underground is less reliable if you look at mean time to repair , fewer incidents but more down time , or the published stats from other countries.


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  • #247
    Chain_reaction
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Chain_reaction


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    So you don't notice the planes/helicopters overhead, thunder, cars on the road, sound of rivers/sea, wind, rain, trees moving and groaning, cows, horses, birds, deer, dogs, tractors, combine harvesters, radio, TV, wife, children, and the list goes on.... just the buzzing ?


    We're well back off the road so we can't hear cars etc. Birds are very different to buzzing and most of what you mentioned there is natural noise and not man made. So using your logic its perfectly fine for anyone to make as much as noise as they want because if they weren't making that noise something else would be making that noise anyway.

    At night all you can hear is buzzing, without this it would be just pure silence as its an extremely remote spot. The house was there about 400 years before the three pylons too btw and we have four on our land in total, buzzing away like giant tinnitus machines.


  • #248
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    Chain_reaction wrote: »
    We're well back off the road so we can't hear cars etc. Birds are very different to buzzing and most of what you mentioned there is natural noise and not man made. So using your logic its perfectly fine for anyone to make as much as noise as they want because if they weren't making that noise something else would be making that noise anyway.

    At night all you can hear is buzzing, without this it would be just pure silence as its an extremely remote spot. The house was there about 400 years before the three pylons too btw and we have four on our land in total, buzzing away like giant tinnitus machines.

    Have pylons here on my land and have no problem with them but I was wondering what is your opinion of your drinking water coming in contact with the wires underground, will it affect it.....I'd imagine it would


  • #249
    BMJD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    I lived ~5m from the Dublin - Belfast train line for a couple of years, you could feel trains rumbling by every few minutes at peak times. After a week or so I was used to it and didn't notice it. Visitors did! Anyone staying over would usually be woken by the early trains.

    The Turlough Hill Street view link earlier, I didn't even notice pylons at first, although I am on a tablet. I know the area well, they are fairly unobtrusive. In fact, that whole facility is a fine engineering accomplishment in itself, I wouldn't be surprised if it attracted tourists!

    Also, someone mentioned Peru earlier, I did the 4 day Inca Trail a few years ago, there are several parts of it where large pylons are visible along the way. They aren't pretty but again, after a while you barely notice them, and that is in a place of true wilderness.

    I seriously doubt anyone's holiday will be ruined because they saw some power lines.


  • #250
    Chain_reaction
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Chain_reaction


    rancher wrote: »
    Have pylons here on my land and have no problem with them but I was wondering what is your opinion of your drinking water coming in contact with the wires underground, will it affect it.....I'd imagine it would

    I've no idea in regards to that. No chance of them going underground in my life time so I won't add that to my list of worries.


  • #251
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    Chain_reaction wrote: »
    I've no idea in regards to that. No chance of them going underground in my life time so I won't add that to my list of worries.

    That question was meant to be directed to all the anti pylon posters, not just you, going underground isn't all win win either


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  • #252
    Manchester7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭Manchester7


    FoxT wrote: »
    They need to stop whinging & come up with a plan!

    At bottom, my problem here is that the nimbys seem to be demanding that the taxpayer/consumer pays the extra costs associated with underground transmission. If they were to deliver some kind of plan whereby the extra costs would be paid (at least in part) by the beneficiaries, then I'd be OK with it.

    And it would be helpful if they came out honestly about their worries about property devaluation, rather than being dishonest about EMI & tourism issues, which are red herrings. I, and I am sure, many others, would be sympathetic to loss of property value. IMO that is the core issue & that is what should be the basis for an honest, well thought out campaign.
    FoxT wrote: »
    They need to stop whinging & come up with a plan!

    At bottom, my problem here is that the nimbys seem to be demanding that the taxpayer/consumer pays the extra costs associated with underground transmission. If they were to deliver some kind of plan whereby the extra costs would be paid (at least in part) by the beneficiaries, then I'd be OK with it.

    And it would be helpful if they came out honestly about their worries about property devaluation, rather than being dishonest about EMI & tourism issues, which are red herrings. I, and I am sure, many others, would be sympathetic to loss of property value. IMO that is the core issue & that is what should be the basis for an honest, well thought out campaign.[/quote

    I don't intend to get in an argument here I'm just going to try to get a few points across.
    1) From your post it seem's you think there is no counter argument from the anti pylon groups as regards a costing of undergrounding against overgrounding and who is going to pay the difference. As you may be able to see from my screen shots, the anti pylon groups have in fact completed a comprehensive costing model for HVACOG V's HVDCUG (something which Eirgrid until today have steadfastly refused to do) As can be seen from the figures there is no cost difference.
    2) Eirgrid announced to the Kildare county council only last week that there are many more lines planned to traverse the countryside after and during the Grid25 project. One of these projects is to build 2, AC to DC convertor stations in Waterford and Kildare possibly which will be used to export electricty sub sea to France and mainland europe. Anyone who knows anything about these type of projects knows that the most expensive part of undergrounding cable is the Convertor Substaion's. With this in mind if these substation's are built now during Grid25 it will allow for undergrounding presently and for those future projects. It is typical of the lack of joined up thinking present in Ireland for generations. Why were the cables not laid beside motorways during construction of those projects. It would have saved on land purchase costs which lay ahead in this project which we will all end up paying for.
    3) Undergrounding is the way forward, and while it is not being implemented in every country (as has been reported by some Anti groups) , it is the technology of the future and when Grid25 is completed in 2025 however out of date overhead lines are now, they will most certainly be outdated in 2025. It is like buying a brand new car in December 2013 when you have the knowledge that a new model for the same price will be available in January 2014.
    4) Many peoples problem is lack of consultation from Eirgrid. I attended an information workshop hosted by Eirgrid which is on every Tuesday between 2 & 5 pm. These times do not suit everyone as it is during working hours. However I have no problem with this as if you are an interested party and are affected by the project, you will make time to attend. My problem with the process is that in County Waterford and County Kilkenny, (2 affected counties) there is not even a drop in center for people to attend and ask questions. When I asked about the original consultation phase I was told that Eirgrid had a desk in some supermarkets and at some marts. If this is their way of consulting the demographic then we have a big problem on our hands. If they had been more transparent in their public consultation they might have been more educated on undergrounding and would not have progressed the project to this stage. The problem now being that they have invested so much time and money into the project that it is difficult to swallow their pride and admit to the mistake of overgrounding, but more would be thought of them to just start admitting the error of their ways.
    5)As regards health, no argument here because I know as much as you do about health effects, could be something, could be nothing. What I do know is that Eirgrid will not, and they have stated this on numerous occasions that they will not run a High Voltage cable near a school. Why would this be? Have they some uncertainty about the issue also?. So, by their reckoning it is not ok to run a cable beside a school but they will run it beside all the houses that those children come from. Makes very little sense unless they fear a large number of disease from a certain school after a certain amount of years. If there is any doubt at all it should not go ahead. I ask you to youtube and google Doctors opinions on Smoking and Asbestos from the 1950's, there was no doubt in their minds either that there was no connection between these things and lung cancer. Doctors were even employed by cigarette companies to advertise their products. On a personal level, you refer to us as NIMBYS, I like any other anti person whom I have spoken to do not want these cables overground in anyone else's back yard either and have to learn about an outbreak POSSIBLY (i stress possibly because neither you nor I know for sure) of some type of disease in that area in 20 years time.
    6) Finally, people are now constantly speaking about property devaluation being our only motivation. Far far from the truth as most people in countrysides will plan to live there for the rest of their lives because this is why they built there in the first place. Other posters mention bungalows already blighting the countryside, fair enough, but what I do know again is that I applied for planning permission for a 2 storey house 2 and a half years ago, I was refused and told it could only be a bungalow as a 2 storey would affect the skyline and views. I said fair enough, did'nt bother me, saw their point, went ahead and built my bungalow. Since building, a high pressure gas line has been installed 45 meters from my front door, no big deal, its underground, could be worse. Now one of the proposed routes pass beside the gas pipeline. So I could'nt get planning because I was going to ruin the skyline and bueaty of the area with a 9 meter high house but its ok to put three 45 meter high pylons with cables in the field opposite my house. Now if anyone can see logic in this I will gladly take it on board. The inconsictencies are staggering.


  • #253
    BMJD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    Manchester7 wrote: »
    6) Finally, people are now constantly speaking about property devaluation being our only motivation. Far far from the truth as most people in countrysides will plan to live there for the rest of their lives because this is why they built there in the first place. Other posters mention bungalows already blighting the countryside, fair enough, but what I do know again is that I applied for planning permission for a 2 storey house 2 and a half years ago, I was refused and told it could only be a bungalow as a 2 storey would affect the skyline and views. I said fair enough, did'nt bother me, saw their point, went ahead and built my bungalow. Since building, a high pressure gas line has been installed 45 meters from my front door, no big deal, its underground, could be worse. Now one of the proposed routes pass beside the gas pipeline. So I could'nt get planning because I was going to ruin the skyline and bueaty of the area with a 9 meter high house but its ok to put three 45 meter high pylons with cables in the field opposite my house. Now if anyone can see logic in this I will gladly take it on board. The inconsictencies are staggering.


    I can only speculate that critical infrastructure is more important than where you want to build a gaff.


  • #254
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Mountainsandh wrote: »


    You mean like India ? Nepal ? the parks in Africa ? the desert ? the Australian outback (unless they have great amenities I don't know about) ? the mountains of New Zealand ? the rice fields of China ? The amazon river and forest ? The mountain ranges of Peru ? the Canadian Northern Territories ?

    a) People don't care that much about infrastructure if the scenery and nature are preserved. Most people who want the scenery and nature, and less infrastructure, are those who actually live in big urban centers, with loads of infrastructure. They'll do without it to get back to nature, that's part of the fun of it.

    b) Ireland already has a better infrastructure countrywide than most areas listed above.



    This is something I have never paid attention to. I guess they're turning their back on it because they can see it whenever they bl00dy want to ?
    The side of my family who are living in Paris certainly love their Eiffel Tower, especially in the winter with the lights. The Parisians I know live with a lot of things they dislike, but the Eiffel Tower is not one of them.

    Do you know any Parisians, and are they more representative than mine for some reason ?

    Anyway my point was that sometimes you just don't give due credit to something you already have. Just like my MIL who has the most amazing view onto a beautiful bay, but planted a hedge to hide it all, as she couldn't grow flowers with the sea wind. Somebody else would fight for that view.

    Ireland has the scenery, bungalows or not, and it should preserve and promote it, not nibble at it constantly until this small island is nothing but urban centers and infrastructure with a few fields in between.

    But yeah, it takes vision, and money.

    So I'm guessing you just flapped your arms and landed in the middle of the jungle/desert/tundra or did you take some kind of mass transit/car/boat/plane to somewhere close? And there will still be 1 off structures and pylons in most of these places just like everywhere else. I don't think Ireland has ever not had 1 off structures all over the place. Pylons are new yes.

    I have worked with quite a few French people and Parisians and they all hated the Tower. And typing into Google for example give you loads of results for people hating it.

    And unfortunately the reality is that everywhere will be massive urban centres in the future due to population growth. I'm not saying it's ideal but I'm not someone with my head in the sand thinking this will last forever.


  • #255
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Chain_reaction wrote: »
    We're well back off the road so we can't hear cars etc. Birds are very different to buzzing and most of what you mentioned there is natural noise and not man made. So using your logic its perfectly fine for anyone to make as much as noise as they want because if they weren't making that noise something else would be making that noise anyway.

    At night all you can hear is buzzing, without this it would be just pure silence as its an extremely remote spot. The house was there about 400 years before the three pylons too btw and we have four on our land in total, buzzing away like giant tinnitus machines.

    No I was pointing out that you don't think there is any noise when there clearly is. And natural noise can be way louder than the buzzing. I'm guessing you don't notice the noise of the tractor or turf cutting machine when there being used either ? As you know its fine to ruin the view as long as your farming on the land ?


  • #256
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Manchester7 wrote: »
    FoxT wrote: »
    They need to stop whinging & come up with a plan!

    At bottom, my problem here is that the nimbys seem to be demanding that the taxpayer/consumer pays the extra costs associated with underground transmission. If they were to deliver some kind of plan whereby the extra costs would be paid (at least in part) by the beneficiaries, then I'd be OK with it.

    And it would be helpful if they came out honestly about their worries about property devaluation, rather than being dishonest about EMI & tourism issues, which are red herrings. I, and I am sure, many others, would be sympathetic to loss of property value. IMO that is the core issue & that is what should be the basis for an honest, well thought out campaign.[/quote

    I don't intend to get in an argument here I'm just going to try to get a few points across.
    1) From your post it seem's you think there is no counter argument from the anti pylon groups as regards a costing of undergrounding against overgrounding and who is going to pay the difference. As you may be able to see from my screen shots, the anti pylon groups have in fact completed a comprehensive costing model for HVACOG V's HVDCUG (something which Eirgrid until today have steadfastly refused to do) As can be seen from the figures there is no cost difference.
    2) Eirgrid announced to the Kildare county council only last week that there are many more lines planned to traverse the countryside after and during the Grid25 project. One of these projects is to build 2, AC to DC convertor stations in Waterford and Kildare possibly which will be used to export electricty sub sea to France and mainland europe. Anyone who knows anything about these type of projects knows that the most expensive part of undergrounding cable is the Convertor Substaion's. With this in mind if these substation's are built now during Grid25 it will allow for undergrounding presently and for those future projects. It is typical of the lack of joined up thinking present in Ireland for generations. Why were the cables not laid beside motorways during construction of those projects. It would have saved on land purchase costs which lay ahead in this project which we will all end up paying for.
    3) Undergrounding is the way forward, and while it is not being implemented in every country (as has been reported by some Anti groups) , it is the technology of the future and when Grid25 is completed in 2025 however out of date overhead lines are now, they will most certainly be outdated in 2025. It is like buying a brand new car in December 2013 when you have the knowledge that a new model for the same price will be available in January 2014.
    4) Many peoples problem is lack of consultation from Eirgrid. I attended an information workshop hosted by Eirgrid which is on every Tuesday between 2 & 5 pm. These times do not suit everyone as it is during working hours. However I have no problem with this as if you are an interested party and are affected by the project, you will make time to attend. My problem with the process is that in County Waterford and County Kilkenny, (2 affected counties) there is not even a drop in center for people to attend and ask questions. When I asked about the original consultation phase I was told that Eirgrid had a desk in some supermarkets and at some marts. If this is their way of consulting the demographic then we have a big problem on our hands. If they had been more transparent in their public consultation they might have been more educated on undergrounding and would not have progressed the project to this stage. The problem now being that they have invested so much time and money into the project that it is difficult to swallow their pride and admit to the mistake of overgrounding, but more would be thought of them to just start admitting the error of their ways.
    5)As regards health, no argument here because I know as much as you do about health effects, could be something, could be nothing. What I do know is that Eirgrid will not, and they have stated this on numerous occasions that they will not run a High Voltage cable near a school. Why would this be? Have they some uncertainty about the issue also?. So, by their reckoning it is not ok to run a cable beside a school but they will run it beside all the houses that those children come from. Makes very little sense unless they fear a large number of disease from a certain school after a certain amount of years. If there is any doubt at all it should not go ahead. I ask you to youtube and google Doctors opinions on Smoking and Asbestos from the 1950's, there was no doubt in their minds either that there was no connection between these things and lung cancer. Doctors were even employed by cigarette companies to advertise their products. On a personal level, you refer to us as NIMBYS, I like any other anti person whom I have spoken to do not want these cables overground in anyone else's back yard either and have to learn about an outbreak POSSIBLY (i stress possibly because neither you nor I know for sure) of some type of disease in that area in 20 years time.
    6) Finally, people are now constantly speaking about property devaluation being our only motivation. Far far from the truth as most people in countrysides will plan to live there for the rest of their lives because this is why they built there in the first place. Other posters mention bungalows already blighting the countryside, fair enough, but what I do know again is that I applied for planning permission for a 2 storey house 2 and a half years ago, I was refused and told it could only be a bungalow as a 2 storey would affect the skyline and views. I said fair enough, did'nt bother me, saw their point, went ahead and built my bungalow. Since building, a high pressure gas line has been installed 45 meters from my front door, no big deal, its underground, could be worse. Now one of the proposed routes pass beside the gas pipeline. So I could'nt get planning because I was going to ruin the skyline and bueaty of the area with a 9 meter high house but its ok to put three 45 meter high pylons with cables in the field opposite my house. Now if anyone can see logic in this I will gladly take it on board. The inconsictencies are staggering.

    So a massive gas pipeline explosion is fine ? As you know its underground you cant see it ? It's only the Pylon ruining the view you worry about ?


  • #257
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Manchester7 wrote: »

    So a massive gas pipeline explosion is fine ? As you know its underground you cant see it ? It's only the Pylon ruining the view you worry about ?

    When has there ever been an massive underground gas pipeline explosion in Ireland?
    Is that you're only viewpoint on his post?


  • #258
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    If you'd actually bothered to read the thread you'd have noticed that many posters already live in the shadow of pylons.

    Very few, if any, of these people reside "in the shadow" of 60m high pylons.


  • #259
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    almighty1 wrote: »
    darkpagandeath wrote: »

    When has there ever been an massive underground gas pipeline explosion in Ireland?
    Is that you're only viewpoint on his post?

    So your saying there is 0% chance of that ?

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/workers-flee-for-lives-as-gas-explosion-rips-through-site-29535905.html just from google


  • #260
    sonic85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭sonic85


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    If you'd actually bothered to read the thread you'd have noticed that many posters already live in the shadow of pylons.[/QUOTE]

    ive read most of the thread. how many is "many"? ive seen a few people mention they live close to pylons - a handful maybe. certainly not the majority of posters here. do you?


  • #261
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    sonic85 wrote: »
    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    If you'd actually bothered to read the thread you'd have noticed that many posters already live in the shadow of pylons.[/QUOTE]

    ive read most of the thread. how many is "many"? ive seen a few people mention they live close to pylons - a handful maybe. certainly not the majority of posters here. do you?

    I live in an Urban area plenty round here same with mobile phone towers and so on.


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  • #262
    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Darkpagandeath
    So I'm guessing you just flapped your arms and landed in the middle of the
    jungle/desert/tundra or did you take some kind of mass transit/car/boat/plane to
    somewhere close? And there will still be 1 off structures and pylons in most of
    these places just like everywhere else. I don't think Ireland has ever not had 1
    off structures all over the place. Pylons are new yes.

    You must be only skimming and not reading, because I haven't said I went to these places. My point is not that there is no infrastructure there, my point is that obviously wilder places, with obviously a lot less infrastructure, are appealing to people.
    I have worked with quite a few French people and Parisians and they all hated the Tower. And typing into Google for example give you loads of results
    for people hating it.
    What did you type in Google : "do Parisians hate the tower ?" ;)
    And unfortunately the reality is that everywhere will be massive urban centres
    in the future due to population growth. I'm not saying it's ideal but I'm not
    someone with my head in the sand thinking this will last forever.

    So let's wreck the place ! Right now ! Yeeee hhhaaa !


    BMJD I find it very telling that of a trip to Peru "a few years ago", you remember the wilderness... and you remember that there were pylons. It kinda proves my point.

    Again it seems to me that a lot of people are just not taking into account the scale of Ireland in comparison to other countries.
    What can be brushed off when you're in France and have a much larger canvas at your disposal is unfortunately precious when you have less surface at your disposal.


  • #263
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Mountainsandh wrote: »
    Darkpagandeath

    You must be only skimming and not reading, because I haven't said I went to these places. My point is not that there is no infrastructure there, my point is that obviously wilder places, with obviously a lot less infrastructure, are appealing to people.


    What did you type in Google : "do Parisians hate the tower ?" ;)



    So let's wreck the place ! Right now ! Yeeee hhhaaa !


    BMJD I find it very telling that of a trip to Peru "a few years ago", you remember the wilderness... and you remember that there were pylons. It kinda proves my point.

    Again it seems to me that a lot of people are just not taking into account the scale of Ireland in comparison to other countries.
    What can be brushed off when you're in France and have a much larger canvas at your disposal is unfortunately precious when you have less surface at your disposal.

    So the only point of this post was to attack the poster i'm guessing. And plenty of people do hate the Eiffel tower or is that incorrect


  • #264
    BMJD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    Mountainsandh wrote: »
    BMJD I find it very telling that of a trip to Peru "a few years ago", you remember the wilderness... and you remember that there were pylons. It kinda proves my point.

    It was just over 5 years ago if that matters. You missed the part where I said that after a while they were barely noticeable. They were hardly my one abiding memory of the trip, it was just unusal to see them snaking through the Andes.
    Here's a pic of what I'm talking about, I can't imagine Eirgrid would plonk one on top of Newgrange like the one in my photo.


  • #265
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,079 ✭✭✭✭fits


    ^ :D And you think thats a good idea?


  • #266
    BMJD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    nope but Carlow =/= Machu Picchu :p


  • #267
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,079 ✭✭✭✭fits


    ^ neither does that photo. Its not Macchu Picchu wherever it is. :D


  • #268
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,079 ✭✭✭✭fits


    And this monument is probably 3000 years older than Macchu Picchu.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=218396908331669&set=pb.210190362485657.-2207520000.1385315649.&type=3&theater


  • #269
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Frank Black wrote: »
    Let them **** off and live in a cave if they don't want to put up with the 'inconvenience' of having a pylon located near them.

    People like this drive me mad, they want all the conveniences that modern engineering can bestow like electricity, clean running water, sanitation - things that people from even 100years ago would find magical - but, put a necessary part of that infrastructure within 500 yards of them and their phoning Joe Duffy or onto their local Councillor.

    ****ing Clowns!
    You wouldn't have room for a pylon behind your house by any chance :rolleyes:


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    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Manchester7 wrote: »
    FoxT wrote: »
    What I do know is that Eirgrid will not, and they have stated this on numerous occasions that they will not run a High Voltage cable near a school. Why would this be?
    Speaking as a mother...

    It just isn't worth the hassle because some parents get very emotive about imagined risks. Watching how parents drive and park near schools is can be downright scary. This is why there are no mobile phone masts on schools, but Garda stations have them as do many pubs and apartment blocks.

    Put it this way I'm surprised that some parents aren't leading a crusade against broadband in schools, what with the wifis and satellites and stuff.


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  • #271
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    fits wrote: »
    And this monument is probably 3000 years older than Macchu Picchu.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=218396908331669&set=pb.210190362485657.-2207520000.1385315649.&type=3&theater

    I'm guessing its fine to Build 1 off houses near stuff like that though aint it ....


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