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  • #932
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    nope, you will receive new bodies in heaven.
    Awesome. And what about people that don't go to heaven? DO they keep the old bodies? And what about free will in heaven, I heard there would not be any. That sound like not a lot of fun. New bodies and no free will, kind of like a mental institution where everyone is drugged so they are compliant, but with added worship of the childish boss.

    MrP


  • #933
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    My dad was a good Catholic, believed in the sky god thing, went to church, confessions ane all that crap and basically if there is a heaven then he will be there having a guiness. Now my Mom was a Protestant, didn't go to church and had no time for all that praying malarky so she is (according to our devout friends itt ) in hell. Now my dad loved my mom to bits so seriously what sort of "heaven" is it for him if your god won't let his lifetime love in to share with him? An eternity in "heaven" would actually be like hell for my dad.


  • #934
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Cabaal wrote: »
    This is seriously impressive when you think about it,
    Imagine if knowledge like this had continued throughout history instead of it being lost and later regained

    Well, it wasn't really lost as such.

    In Christendom it was suppressed due to being 'pagan' and contradicted the Bible and therefore blasphemous - In Islamic countries however...

    The Caliphate of Cordoba was a beacon of Light in Medieval Europe's Dark Age.


  • #935
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    OMG! Spoiler!
    bumper234 wrote: »
    My dad was a good Catholic, believed in the sky god thing, went to church, confessions ane all that crap and basically if there is a heaven then he will be there having a guiness. Now my Mom was a Protestant, didn't go to church and had no time for all that praying malarky so she is (according to our devout friends itt ) in hell. Now my dad loved my mom to bits so seriously what sort of "heaven" is it for him if your god won't let his lifetime love in to share with him? An eternity in "heaven" would actually be like hell for my dad.
    He will be fine. For what I understand of it, there will be no free will and everyone will be happy, god will change you. Sounds really creepy to me. Spending eternity as some kind of worshipping robot, fawning at the feet of some despotic, insecure control freak of a supernatural being so in need of adoration that it must remove free will and force happiness on everyone.

    MrP


  • #936
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bumper234 wrote: »
    My dad was a good Catholic, believed in the sky god thing, went to church, confessions ane all that crap and basically if there is a heaven then he will be there having a guiness. Now my Mom was a Protestant, didn't go to church and had no time for all that praying malarky so she is (according to our devout friends itt ) in hell. Now my dad loved my mom to bits so seriously what sort of "heaven" is it for him if your god won't let his lifetime love in to share with him? An eternity in "heaven" would actually be like hell for my dad.
    Yeah, apparently it goes like this: Upon being united with God, you will feel a love and devotion so far beyond anything you have experienced before that you will realise that it is right that the children you previously loved so dear are being tortured eternally in the depths of hell and you will feel no sadness or pity for them and you will move on and forget about them.

    I know what you're thinking, and you're right; it sounds exactly like the kind of thing an abusive spouse says right before they ban their victim's family from coming to visit.


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  • #937
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    MrPudding wrote: »
    He will be fine. For what I understand of it, there will be no free will and everyone will be happy, god will change you. Sounds really creepy to me. Spending eternity as some kind of worshipping robot, fawning at the feet of some despotic, insecure control freak of a supernatural being so in need of adoration that it must remove free will and force happiness on everyone.

    MrP

    The irony is that God wants us to have free will. We think we have free will by denying him when infact all we do is imprison ourselves to slavery.

    I want free will that is why I will follow God and not man.


  • #938
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Yup. I bet he hits you because he loves you too.


  • #939
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    The irony is that God wants us to have free will. We think we have free will by denying him when infact all we do is imprison ourselves to slavery.

    I want free will that is why I will follow God and not man.

    So me not believing on god is NOT me using my free will? What is it then? And please don't say it's the devil/satan because I don't believe in them either.


  • #940
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    [-0-] wrote: »
    We have tumbled, as though through error, into a world which by all evidence was not intended for us. We cling to a fragment of a grain of sand until such time as the chill of death shall return us to primal matter. We strut for a tiny moment upon a tiny stage, well knowing that all our aspirations are doomed to ultimate failure and that everything we have achieved will perish with our race leaving the universe as though we had never existed.

    I can't recall the author's name right now, but I will never forget this quote.

    Was it John Moriarty ?


  • #941
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Terrlock wrote: »
    The irony is that God wants us to have free will. We think we have free will by denying him when infact all we do is imprison ourselves to slavery.

    I want free will that is why I will follow God and not man.

    Not according to John Calvin who read the Bible very, very, very, carefully indeed- so much so that he founded his own Biblical based Christian sect - you may have heard of it - It's called Calvinism and it has a baby named Presbyterianism .

    Free Will is pretty much a Roman Catholic doctrine and is certainly not shared by all Christians.

    I would be extremely interested in seeing the passage in the Bible that refers to us having Free Will - particularly as John Calvin wasn't able to fine one...


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  • #942
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    The irony is that God wants us to have free will. We think we have free will by denying him when infact all we do is imprison ourselves to slavery.

    I want free will that is why I will follow God and not man.

    God wants us to have free will but we don't because we choose not to worship.

    I do love the taste of doublethink after a good meal :P

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #943
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Geomy wrote: »
    Was it John Moriarty ?

    No, but he did talk about it in Nostos. That's where I came across it. I'm too lazy to go dig out the book and found who said it. It shattered his world when he read it as a teenager.


  • #944
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    gaynorvader wrote: »
    Could you rescind this? It seems to me like you're calling anyone with a dissenting opinion psychopaths. Which I find offensive as I disagree with you and have done my level best to remain civil.
    I was talking specifically about the school shooters in America and Finland.
    Why do you find this descriptor of these people to be 'offensive'?


  • #945
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    I was talking about the school shooters in America and Finland.
    Why do you find this descriptor of these people to be 'offensive'?

    what relevance does the disturbed thinking of psychopaths have to a discussion on creationism v. science?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #946
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    [-0-] wrote: »
    We have tumbled, as though through error, into a world which by all evidence was not intended for us. We cling to a fragment of a grain of sand until such time as the chill of death shall return us to primal matter. We strut for a tiny moment upon a tiny stage, well knowing that all our aspirations are doomed to ultimate failure and that everything we have achieved will perish with our race leaving the universe as though we had never existed.

    I can't recall the author's name right now, but I will never forget this quote.
    ... whoever came up with that bit of nihilism ... must have been great craic allright!!!!;):eek:


  • #947
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    ... whoever came up with that bit of nihilism ... must have been great craic allright!!!!;):eek:

    It's the truth. The universe is indifferent to life.


  • #948
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    [-0-] wrote: »
    No, but he did talk about it in Nostos. That's where I came across it. I'm too lazy to go dig out the book and found who said it. It shattered his world when he read it as a teenager.

    I remember you saying, you read his books alright.
    I know quite a few open minded Atheists who read John's books and found them a good read more found them totally inaccessible.


  • #949
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Geomy wrote: »
    I remember you saying, you read his books alright.
    I know quite a few open minded Atheists who read John's books and found them a good read more found them totally inaccessible.

    I have every one of his books except one, which is no longer in print. He was a fine poet, philosopher, and writer. I'm convinced I walked past him years ago in Killarney. It's a shame I didn't know who he was at the time or I would have had a chat with him.


  • #950
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    [-0-] wrote: »
    No, but he did talk about it in Nostos. That's where I came across it. I'm too lazy to go dig out the book and found who said it. It shattered his world when he read it as a teenager.

    Twas this dude, apparently.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hopwood_Jeans


  • #951
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Geomy wrote: »
    I know quite a few open minded Atheists who read John's books and found them a good read more found them totally inaccessible.
    And I knew John a little - he was a neighbour of my parents. A nice, mildly introverted guy, who seemed almost entirely incapable of expressing a thought either clearly or briefly. He was no lover of science or naturalistic worldviews either. I waded through a few pages of Nostos picked at random, but found them heavy, heavy going which was a pity as some of the ideas weren't bad -- just poorly expressed and mixed in with much of lesser worth.


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  • #952
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    [-0-] wrote: »
    I have every one of his books except one, which is no longer in print. He was a fine poet, philosopher, and writer. I'm convinced I walked past him years ago in Killarney. It's a shame I didn't know who he was at the time or I would have had a chat with him.

    Let me guess, it's the first book in turtle trilogy you haven't got.
    I have a hard back first edition of Nostos ill sell it to you for a grand lol

    Would you agree with his talks on the land and Celtic Spirituality ?


  • #953
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    robindch wrote: »
    And I knew John a little - he was a neighbour of my parents. A nice, mildly introverted guy, who seemed almost entirely incapable of expressing a thought either clearly or briefly. He was no lover of science or naturalistic worldviews either. I waded through a few pages of Nostos picked at random, but found them heavy, heavy going which was a pity as some of the ideas weren't bad -- just poorly expressed and mixed in with much of lesser worth.

    I kinda guessed you would have something nice to say about him.
    Robin have you sold as many books ?
    And had as much of an impact on people's lives ?


  • #954
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Geomy wrote: »
    I kinda guessed you would have something nice to say about him.
    Did you know him personally?
    Geomy wrote: »
    Robin have you sold as many books?
    Dan Brown sold more, so am I right in thinking that you therefore believe that Brown is a better writer?


  • #955
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Geomy wrote: »
    Let me guess, it's the first book in turtle trilogy you haven't got.
    I have a hard back first edition of Nostos ill sell it to you for a grand lol

    Would you agree with his talks on the land and Celtic Spirituality ?

    Hahaha. I have the hard back first edition of Nostos as well, so I'm grand thanks. :)

    Yes that's the one I don't have. Do you have it?

    I wouldn't really agree with a lot of what he says, I just adore his point of view and even just listening to him is so soothing. I have One Evening in Eden, the multi-cd poetry readings. Best money I ever spent.

    robindch, you should try to give Nostos another go. He actually works you into that style of writing in a nice easy manner.


  • #956
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Jernal wrote: »
    Pfft.. .

    At least Genesis et al. stick to the their story. Science constantly changes it, the coward!
    ... except when it comes to its most questionable hypothesis ... that 'pondkind evolved into mankind' ... which Materialistic Science clings to ... with religious zeal.:)


  • #957
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    ... except when it comes to its most questionable hypothesis ... that 'pondkind evolved into mankind' ... which Materialistic Science clings to ... with religious zeal.:)

    not bad, JC. But you need to really push the 'science is just another religion' language to get under those science lovers skins. Then they'll really start believing their theories as lacklustre as creationism. They'll lose sleep over that.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #958
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    robindch wrote: »
    Did you know him personally?Dan Brown sold more, so am I right in thinking that you therefore believe that Brown is a better writer?

    I didn't know him personally but from reading his books I feel like he had the same delusional thought's I have.
    And I feel instinctively pagan and have that connection with the landscape and ocean. ...
    I suppose I can identify with his idea's. ...

    I don't know much about Dan Brown sorry.


  • #959
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    J C wrote: »
    ... except when it comes to its most questionable hypothesis ... that 'pondkind evolved into mankind' ... which Materialistic Science clings to ... with religious zeal.:)

    *Shrugs*

    Whatever, I don't believe in Evolution. I just accept it for the time being.


  • #960
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    what relevance does the disturbed thinking of psychopaths have to a discussion on creationism v. science?
    They cited 'giving NS a helping hand' as one of the reasons for their killing sprees.


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  • #961
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    They cited 'giving NS a helping hand' as one of the reasons for their killing sprees.

    Thus confirming they're idiots. Still doesn't explain the relevance.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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