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[-0-] · 21-11-2013 06:04PM

FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?

Terrlock · 21-11-2013 06:08PM

[-0-] wrote: »

Can you imagine it? It would be like an everlasting Christmas with all of your family.

I couldn't think of anything worse!

Unless Jesus was around in which he would do away with Christmas very fast.

eyescreamcone · 21-11-2013 06:13PM

[-0-] wrote: »

Can you imagine it? It would be like an everlasting Christmas with all of your family.

I couldn't think of anything worse!

Do people get their amputated legs back?

Old saggy boobs or boob jobs?

First wives or second wife or mistress or all 3?

Friends from different religions and none?

Liverpool always winning (70s/80s style) or occasional victories (every other decade??

bumper234 · 21-11-2013 06:17PM

FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?

Terrlock wrote: »

Life is so short - really it's nothing at all.

When you get to an old age you will look back on it and wonder what it was all for.

When your on your death bed you will be praying for God to save you.

No I won't because I know that it would be a total waste of time.

Cabaal · 21-11-2013 06:17PM

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eyescreamcone wrote: »

Do people get their amputated legs back?

Old saggy boobs or boob jobs?

First wives or second wife or mistress or all 3?

Friends from different religions and none?

Liverpool always winning (70s/80s style) or occasional victories (every other decade??

Here's the thing,
what happens if a women has a boob job, does the boob job come with her?
If not then will she spend eternity upset and unhappy with how she looks or will she get a boob job in heaven?
:pac:

housetypeb · 21-11-2013 06:17PM

Terrlock wrote: »

Unless science comes up with technology to make us eternal then I'm going with the bible as nothing else can promise eternal life.

However I do want to live past my death and the bible is the only thing that has ever given me an solution to solve that problem for me.

You and JC both love that promise of eternal life,don't you? It seems to the major selling point on choosing to follow the main character in that tale.

Then all you have to do is ignore the sum total of scientific discovery across every field in favor of a 2000 old collection of tales that were put together by vote at a council.
Is eternal life,(after you're dead,of course) that important to you?

eyescreamcone · 21-11-2013 06:20PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Here's the thing,
what happens if a women has a boob job, does the boob job come with her?
If not then will she spend eternity upset and unhappy with how she looks or will she get a boob job in heaven?
:pac:

Will women who died on earth before boob jobs were invented be pissed off to see heaven full of enhanced boobs - will heaven be heavenly if anyone is unhappy up(?) there??

robindch · 21-11-2013 06:20PM

FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?

Terrlock wrote: »

The bible told us the world was a sphere long before man discovered the world was a sphere and believed it to be flat.

You should read your bible more carefully.

Ezekiel 7:2 and Isaiah 11:12 claim that the earth has got "four corners". While Isaiah 40:22 claims that the earth is not a sphere, but a circle. The bible never claims that the earth is an oblate spheroid (which is what it is) or even a sphere (which is what it was thought to be by contemporaneous people who were smarter than the people who wrote the bible).

If you're interested -- and I assume you're not -- the Ancient Greek mathematician Eratosthenes calculated the size of the earth quite possibly to within 2% during the third century BCE. Eratosthenes' clever observation is documented here in some detail.

Finally, no less a man than Augustine of Hippo had this to say about people who took Genesis literally:

Augustine of Hippo wrote:

It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are.

bumper234 · 21-11-2013 06:21PM

FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?

Terrlock wrote: »

Thanks for that, do I have to follow your commandments now or am I free to do what ever I please?

I give you free will to do whatever you like bit don't upset me because then I would have to wipe out you and everyone else and that sounds like a lot of work so play nice.

Cabaal · 21-11-2013 06:23PM

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robindch wrote: »

If you're interested -- and I must assume you're not -- the Ancient Greek mathematician Eratosthenes calculated the size of the earth quite possibly to within 2% during the third century BCE. Eratosthenes' clever observation is documented here in some detail.

This is seriously impressive when you think about it,
Imagine if knowledge like this had continued throughout history instead of it being lost and later regained

Terrlock · 21-11-2013 06:23PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Will women who died on earth before boob jobs were invented be pissed off to see heaven full of enhanced boobs - will heaven be heavenly if anyone is unhappy up(?) there??

nope, you will receive new bodies in heaven.

Sarky · 21-11-2013 06:23PM

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bumper234 wrote: »

Hw do you mean the bible has stayed consistent?

I think he means the rate of copying and mistranslation errors, and the rate of people sticking in their own edits to make passages mean what they wanted to mean resulting in a mess of vague waffle which can be interpreted to mean anything you like has been consistent for 2,000 years.

Some people feel entitled to their own facts. If reality had a personality, I suspect it would find this highly amusing.

bumper234 · 21-11-2013 06:27PM

FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?

Do we get the 72 virgins like the mussies because no offence to your god but if all he has to offer is a cloud a harp and and a pair of wings then I'll have to pass. 72 virgins to deflower and have fun with or sit on a cloud yapping with other people who have died I know which I would prefer.

Terrlock · 21-11-2013 06:28PM

Cabaal wrote: »

This is seriously impressive when you think about it,
Imagine if knowledge like this had continued throughout history instead of it being lost and later regained

I think it is impressive and I'm am interested in that.

Especially to see how he did it.

I do not think that man was so primitive in the past that history makes them out to be.

smacl · 21-11-2013 06:30PM

Could God really stop a Timelord?

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Friends from different religions and none?

Nope, worshipers of false gods get a one way ticket to the pit, regardless of whether they're family, loved ones, or friends.

Question is can you sin in heaven? If not, you've lost free will, which makes heaven equivalent to eternity on Prozac, and really not worth the effort. If you can sin, is it a chucking out offence, because lets face it, most of us sin every once in awhile? If so, any stay in heaven will likely be brief, but on the plus side you can catch up with your heathen friends and family back down in hell. For all eternity.

robindch · 21-11-2013 06:31PM

FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?

Cabaal wrote: »

This is seriously impressive when you think about it,
Imagine if knowledge like this had continued throughout history instead of it being lost and later regained

Eratosthenes was no slouch, but Archimedes took the intellectual biscuit when he came within a whisker of developing the calculus around the same time.

A book known as the Archimedes Palimpsest contains the only known copies of several texts of Archimedes in which he calculates quantities by using infinitesimals. The book by Netz and Noel goes through the proof in some mild detail. Though frankly, I had a hard time understanding it, especially in its original notation (which is very obscure).

As with many other books, the Archimedes Palimpsest was scrubbed and the priceless, intellectual masterpiece was replaced with useless christian prayers.

Sarky · 21-11-2013 06:33PM

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Casual sin is one of the few things that makes life worth living. If you can't sin in heaven, it's got to be the lousiest paradise ever tbh.

Cabaal · 21-11-2013 06:37PM

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Terrlock wrote: »

I think it is impressive and I'm am interested in that.

Especially to see how he did it.

I do not think that man was so primitive in the past that history makes them out to be.

Its a shame that throughout history religious orders and people made in their mission to destroy records of advanced cultures

one example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Landa

Terrlock · 21-11-2013 06:43PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Its a shame that throughout history religious orders and people made in their mission to destroy records of advanced cultures

one example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Landa

It might be because a lot of the advanced teachings were from the nephilim.

And these lead to wars and sin.

Sarky · 21-11-2013 06:45PM

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Seriously. Nephilim?

Sonics2k · 21-11-2013 06:47PM

Terrlock wrote: »

It might be because a lot of the advanced teachings were from the nephilim.

And these lead to wars and sin.

Yeah I already brought up this lot with you and Soulandform on "other forum" and you both suddenly abandoned the entire thread.

Want to go over it again?

Terrlock · 21-11-2013 06:49PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Yeah I already brought up this lot with you and Soulandform on "other forum" and you both suddenly abandoned the entire thread.

Want to go over it again?

link the other thread for me and lets stick to the Noah's theme for this one.

Cabaal · 21-11-2013 06:50PM

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Terrlock wrote: »

It might be because a lot of the advanced teachings were from the nephilim.

And these lead to wars and sin.

Nephelim, really?
:rolleyes:

Talking of Nephelim and getting onto the whole giants thing, you know the basis for humans believing giants existed came from giant fossils of animals right?

Much of it made sense to the people at the time,

For example in one greek story in one region they told the story about how two giant army's had a battle and how only bones were left and the earth was stained with blood, these bones can still be found.

The sand in the area was red, the bones came from a species related to modern day elephants so the story had "some" truth. People said what they saw and tried to make sense of things and this was especially the case with elephant bones which can look almost human.

The skulls didn't last in the majority of caes thanks to geology but the leg, rips etc did and they look like giant human bones to the uneducated.

It doesn't make it true, but they couldn't explain it any other way with their limited understanding of the world and its history.

Terrlock · 21-11-2013 06:53PM

Here is an interesting article that suggests that Noah's flood was actually local.

The Genesis Flood

Why the Bible Says It Must be Local

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html

I would be interested in seeing what JC's take on this is.

What does the original hebrew translation actually say.

Terrlock · 21-11-2013 06:59PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Nephelim, really?
:rolleyes:

Talking of Nephelim and getting onto the whole giants thing, you know the basis for humans believing giants existed came from giant fossils of animals right?

Much of it made sense to the people at the time,

For example in one greek story in one region they told the story about how two giant army's had a battle and how only bones were left and the earth was stained with blood, these bones can still be found.

The sand in the area was red, the bones came from a species related to modern day elephants so the story had "some" truth. People said what they saw and tried to make sense of things and this was especially the case with elephant bones which can look almost human.

The skulls didn't last in the majority of caes thanks to geology but the leg, rips etc did and they look like giant human bones to the uneducated.

It doesn't make it true, but they couldn't explain it any other way with their limited understanding of the world and its history.

this doesn't look like an elephant

http://bibliaestudomany.network.hu/kepek/teremtett_vilag/orias_csontvaz

Lots more photo's as well.

seamus · 21-11-2013 07:02PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Talking of Nephelim and getting onto the whole giants thing, you know the basis for humans believing giants existed came from giant fossils of animals right?

It's my favouritest piece of recent knowledge I've acquired.
There are theories that the discovery of fossils possibly gave rise the modern concepts of "created man in his image" God. Like you say, ancient cultures found large bones and assumed they belonged to giant humans.
This was built on and extrapolated upon, giving rise to the legends of the Greek gods, as it was assumed that if humans have been getting "worse" (smaller) over time, then logically there existed a point in the past at which we must have been divine or close to it. Huge human bones backs up this theory.

This leads to the idea of humanity being a black sheep offshoot of the Gods, continually degrading and disimproving because of our original sin.

It's an amusing ironic thought (if a little fanciful) that the discovery dinosaur fossils in ancient times would ultimately lead to the invention of christianity, which in turn would have the entire basis of its existence (the old testament) blown to pieces by the discovery of dinosaur fossils in modern times.

Cabaal · 21-11-2013 07:04PM

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Terrlock wrote: »

Here is an interesting article that suggests that Noah's flood was actually local.

The Genesis Flood

Why the Bible Says It Must be Local

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html

I would be interested in seeing what JC's take on this is.

What does the original hebrew translation actually say.

Not read the link but if by local you mean just to a small area of that region then I'd tend to agree,

There are many theorys that actually support this,
- it didn't wipe out all life
- it didn't cover all mountains on earth
- it was just a small area

When you think about it this is a likely explanation for even the much older story before Noah,

Imagine if we were back in say 2,000 BCE and what happened in the Philippines happened then. if you had to deal with such a crazy event you'd think the world is ending.

If you don't want to go with a storm then go with the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, here is an event you and your grand parents have never ever seen before. It really is the end of the world for you.

Now add in a spot of rain a few days before hand and its a world flood (it flooded your known world after all), as time goes by the 5 days of rain changes to 40 days of rain and the tsunami and recovery for your village changes to a year long event....now through in a boat or two

It really is that simple, its like Chinese whispers after an event

Cabaal · 21-11-2013 07:07PM

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Terrlock wrote: »

this doesn't look like an elephant

http://bibliaestudomany.network.hu/kepek/teremtett_vilag/orias_csontvaz

Lots more photo's as well.

No details of when, where or anything else.
Its about as solid as the picture I took during my mountain hike in the snow

Terrlock · 21-11-2013 07:08PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Not read the link but if by local you mean just to a small area of that region then I'd tend to agree,

There are many theorys that actually support this,
- it didn't wipe out all life
- it didn't cover all mountains on earth
- it was just a small area

When you think about it this is a likely explanation for even the much older story before Noah,

Imagine if we were back in say 2,000 BCE and what happened in the Philippines happened then. if you had to deal with such a crazy event you'd think the world is ending.

If you don't want to go with a storm then go with the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, here is an event you and your grand parents have never ever seen before. It really is the end of the world for you.

Now add in a spot of rain a few days before hand and its a world flood (it flooded your known world after all), as time goes by the 5 days of rain changes to 40 days of rain and the tsunami and recovery for your village changes to a year long event....now through in a boat or two

It really is that simple, its like Chinese whispers after an event

If you have time have a read of the link, it's quite interesting.

Cabaal · 21-11-2013 07:10PM

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seamus wrote: »

It's my favouritest piece of recent knowledge I've acquired.
There are theories that the discovery of fossils possibly gave rise the modern concepts of "created man in his image" God. Like you say, ancient cultures found large bones and assumed they belonged to giant humans.
This was built on and extrapolated upon, giving rise to the legends of the Greek gods, as it was assumed that if humans have been getting "worse" (smaller) over time, then logically there existed a point in the past at which we must have been divine or close to it. Huge human bones backs up this theory.

This leads to the idea of humanity being a black sheep offshoot of the Gods, continually degrading and disimproving because of our original sin.

It's an amusing ironic thought (if a little fanciful) that the discovery dinosaur fossils in ancient times would ultimately lead to the invention of christianity, which in turn would have the entire basis of its existence (the old testament) blown to pieces by the discovery of dinosaur fossils in modern times.

Funny thing is,
it wasn't just the greeks, we Irish did it to with our myths....giants causeway

http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/past-exhibitions/mythic-creatures/land-creatures-of-the-earth/greek-giants

(very interesting sections on that site)

At the time the giant thing seemed very logical,

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