Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Science! Ask you question here. Biscuits NOT included and answers not guaranteed.

1…2728303233…48

Comments

  • #872
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    At least it's consistent for 2000 years and answers a lot more questions then any other world-view.


    Really?

    Because there has been a multitude of questions asked in here (and that's only about the Noah fairy tale) and no credible answers have been given.


  • #873
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What has fair got to do with it? :confused:

    Poor choice of words on my part, accurate would have been better.
    Terrlock wrote: »
    At least it's consistent for 2000 years and answers a lot more questions then any other world-view.

    It hasn't and it doesn't. The church's stances on things have changed hugely and often over time. The most obvious example is that the Sun doesn't orbit Earth.
    I'm not sure that it answers any more questions than any religion, and I'm completely sure that it either doesn't answer them accurately or answers them in such a way as to simply shift the focus of the question. For instance "Where did our universe come from?" gets shifted to "Where did God come from?". Not much of an answer tbh.


  • #874
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Why did the universe produce life?
    Because it could, then it did.


  • #875
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    If this universe is about survival of the fittest why are we not doing more about actually surviving.

    So far all I can see is that people are doing the very best to wipe everyone out.
    Funny considering according to your beliefs God almost succeeded with the exception of one family.
    Indeed if man is left up to his own devices how long will it be before we get some idiot launching some world wide bomb or chemical that wipes everyone out?
    God is a bigger threat if we're talking potential for killing. He could unmake reality thereby wiping all life in existence. Humans couldn't even come close to that scale.
    Even if that doesn't happen how long will it be before some force of extreme nature such as a super volcano, or asteroid that comes along and say good night to the entire planet.
    Surely that's a problem for your god to sort out?
    If that happens what is the point to it all.... we exist for one moment in time and then we don't. Which means we are actually nothing at all in the greater scheme of things.

    so life survives so much disaster as a single strand of RNA, just to develop itself to be wiped out anyway.

    WHY?

    Why did the universe produce life?
    Why did God create life?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #876
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock, you said life on mars was a scam.

    How exactly is it a scam? You've not yet explained it.

    You clearly fear the unknown so its clear you feel all nice and warm inside by just thinking "god did it", it works for you but its not very healthy in the scale of things.


  • Advertisement
  • #877
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Terrlock wrote: »

    WHY?

    Why did the universe produce life?

    Why does there need to be a "Why?"?

    Why can't if have just happened. Is your life so devoid of real meaning that there must a be WHY life as we know it was started.


  • #878
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    koth wrote: »
    Funny considering according to your beliefs God almost succeeded with the exception of one family.

    God is a bigger threat if we're talking potential for killing. He could unmake reality thereby wiping all life in existence. Humans couldn't even come close to that scale.

    Surely that's a problem for your god to sort out?

    Why did God create life?


    The Bible answers all those questions. The problem is most people don't read it and if they do they only study it superficially.


  • #879
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    The Bible answers all those questions. The problem is most people don't read it and if they do they only study it superficially.

    No the Bible is a story book that creates more questions than answers.


  • #880
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    The Bible answers all those questions. The problem is most people don't read it and if they do they only study it superficially.
    Ok then. Why, in your opinion/knowledge of the bible, did God create life?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #881
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    The Bible answers all those questions. The problem is most people don't read it and if they do they only study it superficially.

    I must have missed a bit. Why did God create life?


  • Advertisement
  • #882
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    The Bible answers all those questions. The problem is most people don't read it and if they do they only study it superficially.

    Its funny, you have an issue with the universe existing and creating life.

    But you're ok with a all powerful cloud fairy creating microbes (in comparison) that look like him/her

    You've no problem with that and no problem with god just existing,

    Who created god? Its clear its parents didn't ground it enough as a child which caused it to lash out and kill the microbes.

    Its also funny that your god would get upset because people don't worship it, its the same as a elephant in Africa getting upset because some germs on a rock in Australia don't pray to it. Can you not see how stupid it is?


  • #883
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    gaynorvader wrote: »
    Poor choice of words on my part, accurate would have been better.



    It hasn't and it doesn't. The church's stances on things have changed hugely and often over time. The most obvious example is that the Sun doesn't orbit Earth.
    I'm not sure that it answers any more questions than any religion, and I'm completely sure that it either doesn't answer them accurately or answers them in such a way as to simply shift the focus of the question. For instance "Where did our universe come from?" gets shifted to "Where did God come from?". Not much of an answer tbh.

    I'd agree with you in that the Church's stances of things have changed hugely.

    However the Bible has stayed consistent.


    The question isn't really where did our universe come from or where did God come from, though they are important questions.

    The question is what is our purpose as a Human Being?

    What is the purpose of life?


  • #884
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    I'd agree with you in that the Church's stances of things have changed hugely.

    However the Bible has stayed consistent.


    The question isn't really where did our universe come from or where did God come from, though they are important questions.

    The question is what is our purpose as a Human Being?

    What is the purpose of life?

    Hw do you mean the bible has stayed consistent?


  • #885
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    I'd agree with you in that the Church's stances of things have changed hugely.

    However the Bible has stayed consistent.


    The question isn't really where did our universe come from or where did God come from, though they are important questions.

    The question is what is our purpose as a Human Being?

    What is the purpose of life?

    which version?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #886
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    I'd agree with you in that the Church's stances of things have changed hugely.

    However the Bible has stayed consistent.

    Yes, consistently wrong

    The bible as we know is wrong and as such as its the word of god your god is wrong
    The sun moves and not the earth:

    Joshua 10:12-13
    Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

    Ecclesiastes 1:5
    The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
    The earth is stationary:

    1 Chronicles 16:30
    tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

    Psalms 93:1
    The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

    Psalms 96:10
    Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

    The Earth is flat (you cannot see the entire Earth because it is round):
    Job 28:24
    For he looks to the ends of the earth, and sees everything under the heavens.

    Psalms 19:4-6
    yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.

    Daniel 4:10-11
    The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

    Matthew 4:8
    Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them;

    Isaiah 40:22
    It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

    All these things have been proven to be wrong, yet here we have it being thought as factual....just like your giant flood nonsense and Adam and Eve.

    Shouldn't you be posting here about how wrong science is and the earth is flat and the sun moves around the earth? You are ignoring gods teaching if you don't.


  • #887
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    I'd agree with you in that the Church's stances of things have changed hugely.

    However the Bible has stayed consistent.


    The question isn't really where did our universe come from or where did God come from, though they are important questions.

    The question is what is our purpose as a Human Being?

    What is the purpose of life?

    The modern Bible was put together by the Church sometime in the last millenium iirc. It was and is being updated reasonably often as translation errors are found. Some people don't like the changes and stick to older versions of the Bible. Some words change meaning as time goes on leading to different interpretations from what the writers of the Bible could have intended. Some words don't have translations from hebrew to greek to latin to english and some meaning gets lost in translation.

    Why are they the questions? Why is where our universe/God came from not a question?

    What was God's purpose as the creator? What is his purpose now?

    PS:
    Sorry if I sound aggressive, I don't mean to, I'm genuinely interested in your replies. I know how it feels to be bombarded with questions and posts :)


  • #888
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is Option 7.
    This thread is great craic altogether.


  • #889
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Its funny, you have an issue with the universe existing and creating life.

    But you're ok with a all powerful cloud fairy creating microbes (in comparison) that look like him/her

    You've no problem with that and no problem with god just existing,

    Who created god? Its clear its parents didn't ground it enough as a child which caused it to lash out and kill the microbes.

    Its also funny that your god would get upset because people don't worship it, its the same as a elephant in Africa getting upset because some germs on a rock in Australia don't pray to it. Can you not see how stupid it is?

    Absolutely I have questions about God just existing. I could use the logic of well God created us but who created God?

    But I realised I am thinking as a human. I do not have the capacity to perceive the mind of a 10 dimensional being.

    I do know that the universe is only a small subset of a much bigger world. something I cannon't possibly comprehend as I am restricted by time and space.


    Does God even really get upset? If he knows the beginning form the end and the end from the beginning. Our concept of upset might not translate to God's thinking.

    Even our concept of death might not be God's concept of death.



    when we look at the concept's of good and evil, then we need to look at what is God's concept of Good and evil.

    I do know that God tests what he creates to be good and if he find that it is not Good then it gets destroyed.

    I guess we failed the test the first time, but he is giving us a second chance to pass.

    With the atheist view we are all dead anyway... with the biblical view there is the possibility the we can live eternally.

    Unless science comes up with technology to make us eternal then I'm going with the bible as nothing else can promise eternal life.

    if people laugh at me and say it's just a fairy tale, well fair enough I accept that is there view.

    However I do want to live past my death and the bible is the only thing that has ever given me an solution to solve that problem for me.


  • #890
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    EQidW9z.jpg


  • #891
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    With the atheist view we are all dead anyway... with the biblical view there is the possibility the we can live eternally.

    Unless science comes up with technology to make us eternal then I'm going with the bible as nothing else can promise eternal life.

    if people laugh at me and say it's just a fairy tale, well fair enough I accept that is there view.

    However I do want to live past my death and the bible is the only thing that has ever given me an solution to solve that problem for me.

    Do you honestly want to live for ever?

    Even if you believe no god exists and you die if you know your science then you know thats not the end of parts of you. They'll continue to exist long after you are gone...it just depends on the level you look at :)


  • Advertisement
  • #892
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Absolutely I have questions about God just existing. I could use the logic of well God created us but who created God?

    But I realised I am thinking as a human. I do not have the capacity to perceive the mind of a 10 dimensional being.

    I do know that the universe is only a small subset of a much bigger world. something I cannon't possibly comprehend as I am restricted by time and space.


    Does God even really get upset? If he knows the beginning form the end and the end from the beginning. Our concept of upset might not translate to God's thinking.

    Even our concept of death might not be God's concept of death.



    when we look at the concept's of good and evil, then we need to look at what is God's concept of Good and evil.

    I do know that God tests what he creates to be good and if he find that it is not Good then it gets destroyed.

    I guess we failed the test the first time, but he is giving us a second chance to pass.

    With the atheist view we are all dead anyway... with the biblical view there is the possibility the we can live eternally.

    Unless science comes up with technology to make us eternal then I'm going with the bible as nothing else can promise eternal life.

    if people laugh at me and say it's just a fairy tale, well fair enough I accept that is there view.

    However I do want to live past my death and the bible is the only thing that has ever given me an solution to solve that problem for me.

    I hearby grant you everlasting eternal life.

    It's in writing so that must now make me a god :eek:


  • #893
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Pfft.. .

    At least Genesis et al. stick to the their story. Science constantly changes it, the coward!


  • #894
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Question for you guys?

    The bible told us the world was a sphere long before man discovered the world was a sphere and believed it to be flat.

    How did the chaps know at the time of writing it the world was round?


  • #895
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Do you honestly want to live for ever?

    Even if you believe no god exists and you die if you know your science then you know thats not the end of parts of you. They'll continue to exist long after you are gone...it just depends on the level you look at :)

    Life is so short - really it's nothing at all.

    When you get to an old age you will look back on it and wonder what it was all for.

    When your on your death bed you will be praying for God to save you.


  • #896
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Question for you guys?

    The bible told us the world was a sphere long before man discovered the world was a sphere and believed it to be flat.

    How did the chaps know at the time of writing it the world was round?
    where does it state the Earth was a sphere? AFAIK it refers to the Earth as being a flat circular object.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #897
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Question for you guys?

    The bible told us the world was a sphere long before man discovered the world was a sphere and believed it to be flat.

    Where does it claim this exactly?
    How did the chaps know at the time of writing it the world was round?

    Observations, how did stone age people know when the shortest day of the year was? :)

    "cough"
    Greeks mentioned it was round long before any Christians did

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Classical_Greece

    Of course if you want to talk about doing and knowing stuff, how did so many non christian cultures build such impressive technologically advances structures that even today we';d struggle with. They clearly must have received help from their gods :pac:


  • #898
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Question for you guys?

    The bible told us the world was a sphere long before man discovered the world was a sphere and believed it to be flat.

    How did the chaps know at the time of writing it the world was round?

    It translates into "circle" better than it does into "sphere", however I'll assume that they intended sphere. The whole idea that medieval man believed the world to be flat is a myth, one that Terry Jones of Monty Python fame was quite upset by. The ancient Greeks proved the world was spherical around the 3rd century BC. There are records indicating that this was largely accepted by Greek philosophers from around 300 years before that, but it's entirely possible that others discovered this before then and did not note their findings as thoroughly as the Greeks did or their workings didn't survive the passage of time.


  • #899
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Terrlock wrote: »
    Question for you guys?

    The bible told us the world was a sphere long before man discovered the world was a sphere and believed it to be flat.

    How did the chaps know at the time of writing it the world was round?

    Earth is actually an oblate spheroid with a bulgy or fat equator and squashed poles. The Ancient Greeks knew the world was round. I believe the Babylonians did too. No bible necessary to guide them there either.


  • #900
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I hearby grant you everlasting eternal life.

    It's in writing so that must now make me a god :eek:

    Thanks for that, do I have to follow your commandments now or am I free to do what ever I please?


  • Advertisement
  • #901
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Cabaal wrote: »
    Do you honestly want to live for ever?

    Even if you believe no god exists and you die if you know your science then you know thats not the end of parts of you. They'll continue to exist long after you are gone...it just depends on the level you look at :)

    Can you imagine it? It would be like an everlasting Christmas with all of your family.

    I couldn't think of anything worse!


Advertisement