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Using the term Paki

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  • #272
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    Nodin wrote: »
    He didn't insult Christians, he dismissed their beliefs. Rather a different thing.

    Christians might feel differently. And if I said the same thing about Islam he'd accuse me of spreading hatred.


  • #273
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    Reekwind wrote: »
    Arguing that a war crime only becomes a war crime when an "evil regime" does it is playground logic of the most ridiculous order

    And that's one example from your posts. I could have picked many more

    You sound like a deluded moral relativist.


  • #274
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Davelarson wrote: »
    Christians might feel differently. And if I said the same thing about Islam he'd accuse me of spreading hatred.


    ...what? that they believe a load of crap? Unlikely. Same with the hindus, Sikhs, jews, hare krishnas and the rest. Its when you start going on about the followers that the problem starts.


  • #275
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...what? that they believe a load of crap? Unlikely. Same with the hindus, Sikhs, jews, hare krishnas and the rest. Its when you start going on about the followers that the problem starts.

    You're making excuses for him now. I'm not offended. I'm not religious and I don't believe in placing limits on free speech, but he has to accept that there are plenty of Christians who would find what he said offensive.

    And I don't think he, or most people, would be quite so quick to say the same about other faiths.


  • #276
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Davelarson wrote: »
    You sound like a deluded moral relativist.
    You obviously don't know what the term means. Suggesting that the moral correctness of an action is dependent on the perpetrator is exactly relativism. For example, a war crime only becoming a war crime when committed by an "evil regime"


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  • #277
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    Reekwind wrote: »
    You obviously don't know what the term means. Suggesting that the moral correctness of an action is dependent on the perpetrator is exactly relativism. For example, a war crime only becoming a war crime when committed by an "evil regime"

    I'm not sure about that mate.

    By the way I know the allies committed war crimes but these were perpetrated by individual soldiers or units, they were not state sponsored activities like the Japanese or the Nazis.


  • #278
    hsianloon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭hsianloon


    I can't tell you how hard it is being an 'asian' I'm expected to shoulder the knowledge of every asian culture on my shoulders

    I've to agree with some opinions here that I've rarely heard the term paki unaccompanied by the prefix '****ing'


  • #279
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Davelarson wrote: »
    You're making excuses for him now. .........

    Not really. It's nothing I haven't come out with myself.


  • #280
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hsianloon wrote: »
    I can't tell you how hard it is being an 'asian' I'm expected to shoulder the knowledge of every asian culture on my shoulders

    I've to agree with some opinions here that I've rarely heard the term paki unaccompanied by the prefix '****ing'


    It's a bit on the broad side as a term allright.

    My understanding of the term "paki" is that when heard you traditionally either duck or get your back to a wall. They got dogs abuse in the 70's and 80's, by all accounts.


  • #281
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    Nodin wrote: »
    Not really. It's nothing I haven't come out with myself.

    Ok. Just bear in mind some Christians will find it offensive.


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  • #282
    April O Neill II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭April O Neill II


    MadsL wrote: »
    Consider...

    He's a Dub.

    He's a fucking Dub.

    He's a Brit.

    He's a fucking Brit.

    He's a Scot.

    He's a fucking Scot.

    He's an Aussie.

    He's a fucking Aussie.

    I've rarely heard anyone use Paki without it being fucking Paki.

    Really? I have, lots of times. It's a bit different in Ireland, it didn't traditionally have as negative of connotations as in the UK, at least where I grew up in the west of Ireland. But it has fallen out of favour nevertheless, which is probably for the best.


  • #283
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Davelarson wrote: »
    One last thing. I saw your post on the abortion thread where you dismissed Christianity as 'a load of old fairy tales.' So its ok to insult Christians? I can imagine your outrage if I said something similar about Islam or Buddhism. What if I dismiss Shinto as a load of nonsense? Despite all your moralising you're no better than the rest of us.

    Congratulations on exposing yourself as a hypocrite mate.

    I'm not, nor ever will be your mate. What has a load of religious claptrap got to do with your denigrating an entire people, calling them "Japs" and saying they "got what they deserved"? A ludicrous comparison.

    All religions are a load of old pony, I've never said otherwise.


  • #284
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Davelarson wrote: »
    I'm not sure about that mate
    That's fine, I wasn't asking for an opinion. If you're going to accuse someone of relativism then you should know what the term means
    By the way I know the allies committed war crimes but these were perpetrated by individual soldiers or units, they were not state sponsored activities like the Japanese or the Nazis.
    You say this in a discussion* about attacks that, collectively, caused the deaths of up to a quarter of a million civilians?

    *Not that I'm sure how we got here


  • #285
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    They say context is everything and I have never heard the term "Paki" used outside of an insulting and derogatory way, or in a pejorative sense.


  • #286
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    old hippy wrote: »
    I'm not, nor ever will be your mate. What has a load of religious claptrap got to do with your denigrating an entire people, calling them "Japs" and saying they "got what they deserved"? A ludicrous comparison.

    All religions are a load of old pony, I've never said otherwise.

    If you're going to hysterically accuse me of spreading hate you better make damn sure you never insult anyone yourself.

    Religion is vital component of many people's identity. Dismissing it as a load of nonsense is highly offensive to these people. Not that I'm offended, I'm not religious. But it is satisfying to see your smug self righteousness slip a little and reveal your prejudices.

    Enjoy the revelation that you know longer occupy the moral high ground mate.


  • #287
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    Reekwind wrote: »
    That's fine, I wasn't asking for an opinion. If you're going to accuse someone of relativism then you should know what the term means

    You say this in a discussion* about attacks that, collectively, caused the deaths of up to a quarter of a million civilians?

    *Not that I'm sure how we got here

    To me the term has always meant you can't objectively decide what is 'good' or bad' 'moral' or 'immoral'. Hence you can't say one side in WWII was worse than the other, something that I profoundly disagree with...

    You can sit on your high horse 68 years on from events and cast your judgement but the reality is the Nazi and Japanese regimes were immoral and deserved their fates (and if I have to argue this fact on boards I will probably quit and never come back).


  • #288
    pedanticpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭pedanticpat


    Hi, I travel to work with a Pakistani every day, and the reason why it's not acceptable is because of its use. It's generally preceded by f**king and not meant in a nice way. He doesn't mind me using it, as it's used in a jovial way, but he doesn't like his kids using it.


  • #289
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Davelarson wrote: »
    To me the term has always meant you can't objectively decide what is 'good' or bad' 'moral' or 'immoral'. Hence you can't say one side in WWII was worse than the other, something that I profoundly disagree with...
    Which would be fine if anybody had argued that. They didn't so get off your straw horse and address the issue at hand

    Which is your assertion that the morality of an action depends entirely on the nature of the perpetrator. Or, in this case, that the obliteration of a city via atomic bombs is a war crime if Germany/Japan were responsible but a laudable strategic decision for the Allies. And who said what about relativism?

    (Contrast with the more absolute position that sees the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians as a war crime regardless of the perpetrator. That is, the 'good guys' are capable of crimes as well)


  • #290
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    Reekwind wrote: »
    Which would be fine if anybody had argued that. They didn't so get off your straw horse and address the issue at hand

    Which is your assertion that the morality of an action depends entirely on the nature of the perpetrator. Or, in this case, that the obliteration of a city via atomic bombs is a war crime if Germany/Japan were responsible but a laudable strategic decision for the Allies. And who said what about relativism?

    (Contrast with the more absolute position that sees the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians as a war crime regardless of the perpetrator. That is, the 'good guys' are capable of crimes as well)

    Well I don't think there's much use in arguing anymore. I think you're a deluded revisionist and you probably think I'm a racist war mongering asshole.


  • #291
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Davelarson wrote: »
    If you're going to hysterically accuse me of spreading hate you better make damn sure you never insult anyone yourself.

    Religion is vital component of many people's identity. Dismissing it as a load of nonsense is highly offensive to these people. Not that I'm offended, I'm not religious. But it is satisfying to see your smug self righteousness slip a little and reveal your prejudices.

    Enjoy the revelation that you know longer occupy the moral high ground mate.

    Dismissing one's beliefs is a very different kettle of fish to your racism against the Japanese people you have displayed here.

    And so, once rumbled and pointed out that it's racism, you decide to bring in comments I made concerning another thread which has nothing to do with this thread. And you still haven't apologised for your use of the racial slur.

    Brilliant when the mask slips, eh, Dave?


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  • #292
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    old hippy wrote: »
    Dismissing one's beliefs is a very different kettle of fish to your racism against the Japanese people you have displayed here.

    And so, once rumbled and pointed out that it's racism, you decide to bring in comments I made concerning another thread which has nothing to do with this thread. And you still haven't apologised for your use of the racial slur.

    Brilliant when the mask slips, eh, Dave?

    Whatever mate, keep backpedaling. No one likes a hypocrite.

    It might be fashionable to have a pop at religious people, doesn't mean its not offensive. I mean if I'd been through some tough times and found solace in my religion, and some wheezy atheist came up to me and said my belief system was a load of nonsense, I'd tell you where to go.

    I think this debate has rambled on long enough. Still it hasn't been in vain, we've established two important facts:

    1. I'm a degenerate racist who's crimes are on par with Amon Goeth's
    2. You're a slimey, odious hypocrite

    It's been fun, but now I have to sort out my plane tickets, heading over to The Netherlands next month to dress up as Black Pete. Have a good one mate.


  • #293
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Davelarson wrote: »
    the reality is the Nazi and Japanese regimes were immoral and deserved their fates (and if I have to argue this fact on boards I will probably quit and never come back).

    Which would sum up your visit here. A dash of racism here, a bit of misdirected anger to an entire people there and a refusal to acknowledge that you appear to be very selective when it comes to war crimes.
    Davelarson wrote: »
    Whatever mate, keep backpedaling. No one likes a hypocrite.

    It might be fashionable to have a pop at religious people, doesn't mean its not offensive. I mean if I'd been through some tough times and found solace in my religion, and some wheezy atheist came up to me and said my belief system was a load of nonsense, I'd tell you where to go.

    I think this debate has rambled on long enough. Still it hasn't been in vain, we've established two important facts:

    1. I'm a degenerate racist who's crimes are on par with Amon Goeth's
    2. You're a slimey, odious hypocrite

    It's been fun, but now I have to sort out my plane tickets, heading over to The Netherlands next month to dress up as Black Pete. Have a good one mate.


    Yes, the debate which you hijacked in order to pursue your anti-Japanese agenda has gone on a bit, hasn't it?

    Name calling, I've seen that before when someone has been rumbled.

    And now having made your dubious point, you are running away to black up in the Netherlands. Yes, that makes sense.

    Brave lad.


  • #294
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    Saw a bunch of Japanese tourists(complete with smog masks) crowding into a disabled lift to travel the equivilent of one flight of stairs. The stairs were ten feet to the left of the lift.

    Maybe our japanese expert can explain this profound lazyness?


  • #295
    Hoop66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Saw a bunch of Japanese tourists(complete with smog masks) crowding into a disabled lift to travel the equivilent of one flight of stairs. The stairs were ten feet to the left of the lift.

    Maybe our japanese expert can explain this profound lazyness?

    What on earth are you going on about?

    Are you trying to suggest that all Japanese people are lazy because you claim to have once seen some Japanese tourists use a lift?

    Or is there something else that we are supposed to infer from your post?


  • #296
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    Are you trying to suggest that all Japanese people are lazy because you claim to have once seen some Japanese tourists use a lift?

    Where did i mention ALL japanese people?

    I said i saw a bunch of them crammed into a lift.
    Hoop66 wrote: »
    Or is there something else that we are supposed to infer from your post?

    Yes...i'm curious as to why A) They'd be wearing smog masks in Dublin and B) why could they not use the stairs that was right beside them?


  • #297
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Strituck wrote: »
    Using the term Paki.

    Is never acceptable.


  • #298
    positron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭positron


    chopper6 wrote: »
    A) They'd be wearing smog masks in Dublin

    I am no expert but I think Japanese wear masks if they suspect they are unwell - like if they have cold or flu - they are being polite by trying to not to spread the germs by wearing a mask. Again, I am no expert... so..


  • #299
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Is never acceptable.

    Do you know that for many years in the UK cornershops were known as "Pakis" as they were largely owned by Pakistanis?

    Likewise you hear lots of people talking about going to the "chinks" to get chinese food.

    Context is everything.


  • #300
    positron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭positron


    pedanticpat wrote: »
    Hi, I travel to work with a Pakistani every day.

    Oh, sorry about that. :pac:



    PS: I am not racist, it's just that I am Indian! :D Only joking of course, I have nothing against Pakistanis (even though I hate their ISI / military etc).


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  • #301
    Bog Standard User
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 847 ✭✭✭Bog Standard User


    beazee wrote: »
    What about the Poles?

    esb and eircom have been looking after those for years. they even put them back up after a storm


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