Using the term Paki

Stainless_Steel

old hippy wrote: »

Well, it's like this. You're with your gf, let's say, and someone shouts "go back to Africa you filthy monkey*". Your heart starts to race, you feel like you've been kicked, your gf either tries to ignore it - or maybe it's happened one time too many and she bursts into tears. It's a horrible, horrible feeling and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Except maybe to those that think it's all a fuss over nothing.



*or the "n" word

That's verbal assault though. It's different.

Stainless_Steel

cashback wrote: »

Is that a genuine question?

Yes. How does getting offended improve your life?

abbeyrock

Is it ok to use the word "retard" or do we still have to say Taoiseach !

cashback

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Yes. How does getting offended improve your life?

It doesn't. But for most people who get offended, it's not a choice. They don't consciously think, "I'm going to take offense to this." It's not like water off a duck's back for everyone.

Stainless_Steel

cashback wrote: »

It doesn't. But for most people who get offended, it's not a choice. They don't consciously think, "I'm going to take offense to this." It's not like water off a duck's back for everyone.

That's fair enough I suppose.

Vision of Disorder

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

I can honestly say that I have never once felt offended in my life. What does it feel like?

It feels just like sex (but maybe I'm doing it wrong).

old hippy

chopper6 wrote: »

So what did you do?


The last (and only) black girl I dated was from Jamaica and the most hassle she got were from eastern european women...and the occasional junkie.

I'd rather not go into that, suffice to say getting angry with them often gives them the thrill they seek. Or an excuse for them to get physical. It's a form of bullying the old racism, some like to press your buttons to get a response. Bit like some of the posters here.

old hippy

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

That's verbal assault though. It's different.

Yes, it's different. And your point is..?

poundapunnet

FTA69 wrote: »

There are plenty of stupid questions, asking why "Paki" is racist and insinuating it's a harmless abbreviation is certainly up there in the ranks of stupid bloody questions.

"Paki" is a racist term because it has a long history in Britain of being used as a derogatory and belittling term to people from South Asia. In short, it's racist because it's been used for decades for that exact purpose and you can't divorce the word from that meaning.

I'm always wary of people who ask questions like the above, and I've a hard time believing that they don't know full well what it means.

I know it's a racist term, don't think I've ever in my life used it. But there is a possibility that somebody, particularly somebody very young, might ask the question in all innocence. Additionally, if these questions are immediately shut down with eye-rolling and jesuswepting, then it legitimises claims from people going on about how their opinion is never allowed to be heard, there's no proper answer to their question, it's just an innocent word etc.

In my experience, you give racists enough conversational rope and they'll hang themselves. There is no danger allowing people to expose stupid, indefensible points of view, there is danger in handing them a martyr complex and a liberal boogy man on a plate by saying "that's such a stupid question I don't even have to answer it".

Maruney

Can perhaps anybody from Pakistan explain ?[/QUOTE]


Im not from Pakistan but I am around middle eastern, asian folks a fair bit and enjoy that but generally anything you say to a non-white person that refers to their skin color, culture, religion or home land in any manner - this is racist coming from a white person.

Dub is fine as most are traditionally white
Paddy is fine as most are traditionally white
Cracker/vanilla is fine as it refers to white people

Ive been refered to as all of above but didn't feel I could use the terms Paki, Jap or coloured in responce

Simples

old hippy

Maruney wrote: »

Cracker/vanilla is fine as it refers to white people

Ive been refered to as all of above but didn't feel I could use the terms Paki, Jap or coloured in responce

Simples

Cracker is offensive, though. I think vanilla might get a few raised eyebrows as well...

chopper6

old hippy wrote: »

Cracker is offensive, though. I think vanilla might get a few raised eyebrows as well...

Cracker is meant to be offensive..it's the N word for white people.

As far as i'm aware Vanilla refers to people who're not into S&M etc...never heard it refer to anything else.

Ush1

old hippy wrote: »

I don't know of many nations that haven't committed hideous attrocities. But the people were to an extent brainwashed. Prior to the Okinawa landings, the islanders were told that US troops would rape and murder them. Suicide pilots were indoctrinated into the belief that what they were doing was for the glory of the nation. Some of these kids wew 17 years old and many of them actually voiced their concerns. If you ever visit the Peace Museum in Kagoshima - some of those letters are heartbreaking.

Same could be said of British youth that were ordered by the empire. Or Nazis, or whoever.

Does anybody really think they were all just "evil" people?

old hippy

Ush1 wrote: »

Same could be said of British youth that were ordered by the empire. Or Nazis, or whoever.

Does anybody really think they were all just "evil" people?

Clearly some here do. I guess some can only see in black & white (no pun intended)

poundapunnet

Ush1 wrote: »

Same could be said of British youth that were ordered by the empire. Or Nazis, or whoever.

Does anybody really think they were all just "evil" people?

They tend to be the people who think that they would definitely absolutely have been a voice of dissent or involved in the resistance if they lived in WW2 europe. I'm not saying they're all liars, I'm saying statistically most of them are

Saw a pretty good documentary about the rise of Hitler pre-1939 recently, interviewing people who were just ordinary citizens, they were saying basically that yes of course they could see there was a sinister aspect to what was happening, but that had just been made unspeakable. And if they had actually gone so far as to have protested, they would have died. Nobody knew in the 1930s what was going to happen, it's not like he laid out his plan and asked everyone to give informed consent

Ush1

old hippy wrote: »

Clearly some here do. I guess some can only see in black & white (no pun intended)

I'm making the point that if you are saying racism is different for Europeans(specially English was mentioned) because of the fact they had a large empire, you would have to apply the same logic to any nation who had an empire.

The success or size of the empire doesn't really even make any odds to be honest, maybe the Zulus wanted to take over the earth? Who knows.

old hippy

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm making the point that if you are saying racism is different for Europeans(specially English was mentioned) because of the fact they had a large empire, you would have to apply the same logic to any nation who had an empire.

The success or size of the empire doesn't really even make any odds to be honest, maybe the Zulus wanted to take over the earth? Who knows.

I'm saying racism exists within all nations and cultures. Sadly.

chopper6

poundapunnet wrote: »

They tend to be the people who think that they would definitely absolutely have been a voice of dissent or involved in the resistance if they lived in WW2 europe. I'm not saying they're all liars, I'm saying statistically most of them are

Saw a pretty good documentary about the rise of Hitler pre-1939 recently, interviewing people who were just ordinary citizens, they were saying basically that yes of course they could see there was a sinister aspect to what was happening, but that had just been made unspeakable. And if they had actually gone so far as to have protested, they would have died. Nobody knew in the 1930s what was going to happen, it's not like he laid out his plan and asked everyone to give informed consent

It's quite simple.

If you raised your voice against the Nazi regime you'd be executed and your family put into a camp.

Whether or not people knew/disagreed/voiced concerns is a moot point...there were enough informers,secret policemen and government organisations chomping at the bit to denounce people as "traitors".

This was not limited to Nazi germany...it existed in Russia at the same time and continued to exist for decades after the war in the eastern block countries.

It has also been a feature of the regimes in Cambodia,Zimbabwe,Iraq,China,Korea and a host of other totalitarian dictatorships.

Conmaicne Mara

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Teacher says to Johnny "where's Pakistan?".











Johnny says, "out in the playground with Pakisteve."

I want to thank this twice :pac:

Davelarson

old hippy wrote: »

I don't know of many nations that haven't committed hideous attrocities. But the people were to an extent brainwashed. Prior to the Okinawa landings, the islanders were told that US troops would rape and murder them. Suicide pilots were indoctrinated into the belief that what they were doing was for the glory of the nation. Some of these kids wew 17 years old and many of them actually voiced their concerns. If you ever visit the Peace Museum in Kagoshima - some of those letters are heartbreaking.

Look mate I get that your wife is Japanese and you're fond of them, but you sound seriously naive. The Japanese committed atrocities on a scale that would make your blood chill. Have you read about the Rape of Nanking, Unit 731, the mistreatment of Allied POWs, the enormous number of women forced into sexual slavery to serve the Japanese Army? The Japanese viewed other Asians as inferior and allied themselves with the Nazis. Do Japanese school kids even learn these things?

Saying that people were brainwashed is not an excuse. These regimes could only have existed with the support of the civilian population. As for the Kagoshima museum: for every pacifist or subversive there was a hundred who eagerly sought victory and everything that would have followed in the event of victory.

Nodin

Davelarson wrote: »

Look mate I get that your wife is Japanese and you're fond of them, but you sound seriously naive. The Japanese committed atrocities on a scale that would make your blood chill. Have you read about the Rape of Nanking, Unit 731, the mistreatment of Allied POWs, the enormous number of women forced into sexual slavery to serve the Japanese Army? The Japanese viewed other Asians as inferior and allied themselves with the Nazis. Do Japanese school kids even learn these things?

Saying that people were brainwashed is not an excuse. These regimes could only have existed with the support of the civilian population. As for the Kagoshima museum: for every pacifist or subversive there was a hundred who eagerly sought victory and everything that would have followed in the event of victory.

Dictatorships don't ask permission.

How does that justify racism against todays Japanese?

Davelarson

Nodin wrote: »

Dictatorships don't ask permission.

How does that justify racism against todays Japanese?

Can I ask you an honest question? I know Chinese people who despise the Japanese and make no bones about it. If you heard a Chinese person using Japanese racial slurs would you feel comfortable stepping in and saying 'hold on a second, that's racist, you can't say that'?

dxhound2005

The local Pakistani community association in the Page Hall area of Sheffield is running "official" warden patrols between 8pm and 10pm every weekday in order to "educate" the Roma population about "how to behave in England".


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/14/nick-clegg-roma-community-sheffield-migrants-britain

More English than the English themselves?

Nodin

Davelarson wrote: »

Can I ask you an honest question? I know Chinese people who despise the Japanese and make no bones about it. If you heard a Chinese person using Japanese racial slurs would you feel comfortable stepping in and saying 'hold on a second, that's racist, you can't say that'?

That's not how I'd express it, but yes, I'd have no problem pointing out the hole in the logic.

Nodin

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The local Pakistani community association in the Page Hall area of Sheffield is running "official" warden patrols between 8pm and 10pm every weekday in order to "educate" the Roma population about "how to behave in England".


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/14/nick-clegg-roma-community-sheffield-migrants-britain

More English than the English themselves?

Bee-fucken-zarre....


They'll still be demonised, told they aren't integrating and to fuck off back where they came from as well....

Davelarson

Reekwind wrote: »

I'm not sure where you got that from. Having a murderous period in your history isn't a get out of jail card; it doesn't suddenly wipe out those periods where they were the ones receiving the abuse

In this case, racist caricatures of the Japanese (as part of the general Western disdain for the 'yellow peoples') long pre-date its attempt to create a Pacific empire and have lived long after the atom bombs were dropped

Ha ah ah ah ha. Are you for real, seriously? You think the Japanese are victims?? When did they receive abuse? After launching a sneak attack on America? After committing unspeakable atrocities in China and elsewhere? If people feel aggrieved against them I can assure you there are legitimate historical reasons. Japan was a formidable empire for centuries, they're still an economic superpower. Read a history book and wise up.

If you think racism is only perpetrated by whites you are laughably naive.

Davelarson

Nodin wrote: »

That's not how I'd express it, but yes, I'd have no problem pointing out the hole in the logic.

Fair enough but I suspect the average Chinese person would say something like 'who the hell are you to say that to me, you don't know anything my country's history' especially as its quite possible that that person's grand parents were raped and murdered by the Japanese Army.

losthorizon

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Same thing as calling someone a Jew.

That's the singular.

Nodin

Davelarson wrote: »

Fair enough but I suspect the average Chinese person would say something like 'who the hell are you to say that to me, you don't know anything my country's history' especially as its quite possible that that person's grand parents were raped and murdered by the Japanese Army.

But I do know something about their history and the fact of the matter is that their loss doesn't make them correct. It's a stupid, wrong, silly argument.

pickarooney

old hippy wrote: »

Cracker is offensive, though. I think vanilla might get a few raised eyebrows as well...

Because vanilla is black?