The Manup campaign

If a woman started clattering a fella, I'd be happy to see him defend himself in kind. I wouldn't like a slap from a woman to be met with a punch that knocked her to the ground, but equal force? Reap, sow, tbh.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

If a woman started clattering a fella, I'd be happy to see him defend himself in kind. I wouldn't like a slap from a woman to be met with a punch that knocked her to the ground, but equal force? Reap, sow, tbh.

Why the fcuk would a woman want to hit a lad? And could a lad not just hold her wrists? Why the fcuk would you want to belt her back? I'm sorry, I just don't get that, I can't even imagine a woman hitting me. Lads, yeah, fair enough, sh1t happens, but a woman? Women are for lovin, not hitting, that's why God made other men - give you somthing to go boxin with.

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Why the fcuk would a woman want to hit a lad?

Believe me it happens. And holding her wrists isn't always an option. Plus she can use a weapon, not just her wrists. If she's thumping and thumping a fella he can hardly be blamed for thumping her back in self defence.

One in four lesbian and bisexual women in Scotland have experienced domestic abuse in a relationship. Three in five of those say the perpetrator was a woman, and two in five a man. One in four of the general female population has experienced domestic abuse.
Source: https://www.stonewall.org.uk/scotland/at_home/health/7992.aspasp

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/scotland/at_home/health/8940.asp

How different is Scotland to Ireland?

The Big Smoke wrote: »

Tragic. Here is a newsflash, some women can be bigger than blokes. Another newsflash, some women can be vicious and properly beat you up.

Maybe you need to man-up so.

The Big Smoke wrote: »

Point it out then, instead of immediately dismissing the opinions to suit your own bull**** version.

It's not MY own bullshìt version Smoke, you should be saying that to the people who care more about equality than they do domestic violence against women.

Lets just forget about equality then.

Equality has got fannyadams to do with it, that's my point. If you want to start a campaign about violence against men perpetrated by women, well, by all means, but to make this issue about equality? "Men are victims too", that's the fcukaboutery I'm talking about, even though it's an undisputable fact that domestic violence is more perpetrated by men against women.

So after saying the campaign is ****e you are defending it? ****aboutery to say the least!:rolleyes:

Yes, the campaign IS shìte, but my objection is to the fact that this thread is more concerned with equality, I mean, seriously, women are being abused, beaten, living in fear, and the bigger concern of some posters here is "well so do some men!" or "women do it too!".

Also the number of reported cases are men vs women, because it will in most cases get taken seriously, campaigns like this perpetuate that. Your lack of empathy for male domestic violence victims is quite frankly quite disturbing and disgusting.

Smoke I just had a look at your join date there, so I'm not going to jump down your throat for not being aware of the fact that you're not aware of the fact that I'm well aware of the statistics on this issue and that I've worked with both male and female victims of abuse and domestic violence, and one thing I will say is that while maybe the authorities weren't as "au fait" with male victims of abuse 17 years ago (I used call their reports the "file that under 'fcuk me that was awkward' reports", they sure as hell take it just as seriously now as female victims of abuse and domestic violence, and y'know what the problem always was? Male victims of violence rarely ever reported it. That's changing slowly now with organisations like AMEN promoting the issue of male victims of domestic violence and abuse, but like I said, it's a completely separate issue to the issue of domestic violence perpetrated by men against women.

My lack of empathy towards male victims of abuse and domestic violence? All due respect Smoke but you don't know the half of it tbh, and I don't blame you for that because you couldn't possibly have known the half of it unless you had done a post history search and known my previous usernames on this site.

Yet here you are spewing your wet blanket ****e.

Yes, because I don't give a shìt as much about equality as I do domestic violence and abuse. I came into this thread expecting a discussion about domestic violence against women, instead it's a thread about equality.

Off you go with your fellow ala carte feminists and do that then.

My what? Honestly Smoke, you may be only a short time on the site, but through previous contributions I've made to threads here where you've been involved, you should know I couldn't give less of a fcuk about feminism shìte, that I give a shìt about people, regardless of labels or agendas.

The onus is on campaigners against male on female violence to start campaigns about that one. Me? I couldn't give a flying fcuk about national campaigns, I'll work with whatever is thrown at me. One day it could be a male sex worker who was beaten to shìt by a customer, the next day it could be a woman married ten years who can't take any more psychological intimidation from her husband. Makes no fcuking odds to me, but both are completely separate issues.

poundapunnet wrote: »

I'll bow to your greater experience here, but someone did post links when a similar topic came up recently and the stats really surprised me, did not expect there to be so much woman-on-man DV. The fcukaboutery is annoying, it disintegrates into a suffering competition and people just start spouting on about feminazis and checkin' yo' privilege, but I think that explicitly gendering campaigns like this from the get go only facilitates that, it opens the door straight away for indignant reactions and cuts off any useful discussion right from the get go because of how it's framed.

Ah no punnet, it's not really about experience or anything (actually I'm drunk as a skunk right now after downing a bottle of Baileys so I should be in my leaba) but for me even it's not about stats or shìte, there WAS a recent thread on here alright about women victims of domestic violence and I didn't contribute, but rather I listened (or read even) the stories of these women, and there was no fcukaboutery in the thread and people were respectful of these women's stories, and the courage it took for these women to be able to get out of the situations they were in first of all, and then for these women to support each other and tell their stories.

Such a thing doesn't really exist for men, but that's not the fault of campaigns like this, and when the issuo of male on female violence is promoted as such, ok, the campaign might be perceived as slightly misguided, but to turn it into an equality issue, as in "well it happens to men too!", "not ALL men do this", it's completely, completely missing the point.

Right, I'll put this out there, I've posted before how my wife has suffered from depression, and she would've been violent towards me to the point where I remember having to throw a knife block out over the balcony of our apartment into the river below in case she did either of us an injury, she was already fond of using her fists and scratching my face to the point where I used go into work and I'd laugh off work colleagues comments and say we'd gotten a cat or some bullshìt.

But I would never once raise a hand to my wife, I knew I was bigger and I sure as hell was stronger, and that's why when I see some of these "Well if a woman hits me I'm gonna hit back" type posts, it disgusts me tbh. Nothing to do with the way I was raised, my old man used use me for a punching bag daily from about the age of 4 - 16 when I left home, and my mother used chase me round the house with a bread knife, I still wouldn't fight back, well, I fought back against my old man once and one time I kicked the knife out of my mother's hand, cut her hand and felt guilty for weeks afterwards, but never would I raise my hand against someone I knew was physically weaker than me, but the psychological shìt? Well, that's a real mind fcuk altogether, and that's the lasting damage that can be inflicted on a person long after the physical scars have healed.

You won't really find those stories in statistics, I or my wife won't appear on any fancy graphs, posters, or statistics, and that's why statistics, for me at least, aren't worth a bucket of shìt, because they never give a full and true account of the bigger picture or what's really going on in a person's life. They'll give a representative picture of one particular issue depending on the agenda being pushed, but if male victims of violence want representation, then it's a separate issue to encourage men to seek help, but to take issue with women's organisations campaigning about the issue and say "equality, equality", that, to me at least, is utter bullshìt.

Campaign for domestic violence against men as a separate issue, but don't dismiss women's groups for campaigning against the issue, instead encourage men to speak up, and report the issue, then those who are interested in stats can all get all gooby-eyed about stats, and those who give a shìt about people can get on with the job of helping people, regardless of their gender.

Domestic violence, the issue shouldn't be about "well it happens to men too", and this thread should't have been about that, that's another thread, but hell, that's just my opinion.

Czarcasm wrote: »

Domestic violence, the issue shouldn't be about "well it happens to men too", and this thread should't have been about that, that's another thread, but hell, that's just my opinion.

No, the issue should be about domestic violence.
There's something horribly wrong when the thing people first think of when they hear domestic violence is men hitting women, as it happens the other way around aswell and it's entirely relevant.
The campaign is sexist, and ridiculous.


Also you say you'd never hit someone who was physically weaker than you, I really doubt that's true, that is to say you wouldn't hit any man if you thought he was physically weaker than you?