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The Manup campaign

  • 16-11-2013 11:12PM
    #1
    The Big Smoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭The Big Smoke


    So i was on the green Luas (sarf side innit) today and noticed a big advertisement with this campaign. http://www.safeireland.ie/manup/
    Most men celebrate and respect women – they don’t control them. Good men protect and care for children. Today men are proudly standing up and declaring zero tolerance on domestic violence of any kind. It’s time to help make Ireland the safest place for women and children.
    Man UP is an inspiring, brave new campaign to change the face of domestic violence.
    Visit the Man Up website here
    You can support this campaign and help spread awareness that challenges the perverse and warped justifications that some men have for abusing women and children.
    Watch and share our campaign videos and tell the people in your social networks all about the campaign. You can also download our leaflets and posters or order some for free delivery from our office. (Contact Us)
    If you or your organisation would like to upload a link the Man UP campaign on your website or blog click here (.zip file 80kb) to download web banner formats.

    So lads, would you ever stop abusing children, women and man up. Sound.


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Comments

  • #2
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    F*ck these campaigns. I don't have time to rant (can hear the collective sigh from AH as I type, hehe) but seriously, why is it that gedner stereotyping and gender shaming are perfectly ok as long as guys are the target?
    Put up ANY ad campaign asking women as a whole to take responsibility for the behavior of the minority of scumbag women and watch the advertising standards people go absolutely ballistic.

    Double standards like these are among the things which piss me off above absolutely all else.


  • #3
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    The type of scumbags that abuse women are not the sort that will give a flying fvck about this campaign.


  • #4
    The Big Smoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭The Big Smoke


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    F*ck these campaigns. I don't have time to rant (can hear the collective sigh from AH as I type, hehe) but seriously, why is it that gedner stereotyping and gender shaming are perfectly ok as long as guys are the target?
    Put up ANY ad campaign asking women as a whole to take responsibility for the behavior of the minority of scumbag women and watch the advertising standards people go absolutely ballistic.

    Double standards like these are among the things which piss me off above absolutely all else.

    Imagine a campaign with, "woman up, stop having more kids to get more social welfare". I'd imagine it wouldn't go down too well.


  • #5
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    To be honest, the fact that "man up" is a phrase at all while there's no equivalent phrase for women is disturbing in and of itself - we have an actual catchphrase which is designed to say "Males, conform to your society-imposed gender roles and STFU" but no equivalent catchphrase for women.


  • #6
    The Big Smoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭The Big Smoke


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The type of scumbags that abuse women are not the sort that will give a flying fvck about this campaign.

    As a result of a few scumbags, we ALL have to "man up". That is the problem.


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  • #7
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    The Big Smoke wrote: »
    Imagine a campaign with, "woman up, stop having more kids to get more social welfare". I'd imagine it wouldn't go down too well.

    How about 'woman up, don't falsely accuse men of rape'.


  • #8
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    Pure sexism. You can get away with stereotyping and demonizing men... try doing the same with women and see what kind of response you get


  • #9
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's already been more than enough threads about this campaign. Can we just. stop. talking about it? Seriously, you're doing exactly what they want and disgusting campaigns like this do not deserve any attention.


  • #10
    Mr. Chrome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Mr. Chrome


    Its like those anti-rape adds a while ago where the guy was watching himself raping someone.
    Seriously, WTF sort of person needs reminding that rape is bad?


  • #11
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    The Big Smoke wrote: »
    As a result of a few scumbags, we ALL have to "man up". That is the problem.

    I wouldn't see it like that. The message is aimed at the 'men' that abuse women, not the general male population.


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  • #12
    The Big Smoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭The Big Smoke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There's already been more than enough threads about this campaign. Can we just. stop. talking about it?

    Here's a tip, if you find yourself seeing the same thread over and over again, close the laptop or shut down your PC. There's a whole load of things to do in the big wide world. Go outside and live man. Otherwise, if you find you need the validation of being on boards 24 hours a day then don't click into the threads you've seen umpteen times. There are a wide range of subjects such as the ever entertaining humour forum, but if you get tired of the same jokes there is the brilliant Gentlemans club forum. Anywho back on topic...


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Big Smoke wrote: »
    Here's a tip, if you find yourself seeing the same thread over and over again, close the laptop or shut down your PC. There's a whole load of things to do in the big wide world. Go outside and live man. Otherwise, if you find you need the validation of being on boards 24 hours a day then don't click into the threads you've seen umpteen times. There are a wide range of subjects such as the ever entertaining humour forum, but if you get tired of the same jokes there is the brilliant Gentlemans club forum. Anywho back on topic...

    You obviously do not get my point. This is a disgusting and sexist campaign - the more threads that happen, the more attention it gets. If you stop talking about it, it will just go away and die.


  • #14
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Mr. Chrome wrote: »
    Its like those anti-rape adds a while ago where the guy was watching himself raping someone.
    Seriously, WTF sort of person needs reminding that rape is bad?

    The point of that ad was that in the moment the guy didn't think he was doing anything wrong, but looking back on it with perspective he realised it was not right and not the kind of behaviour he wanted to have.

    I love men, I'm married to a great one and related to good ones. But maybe some men think back on some previous behaviour and realise it was wrong.

    In fact I'm sure all people do, women included. No harm to check ourselves every now and again. Are we being the best version of ourselves? Do we have pride in our behaviour?

    Men and women - are there things we could do better?


  • #15
    The Big Smoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭The Big Smoke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You obviously do not get my point. This is a disgusting and sexist campaign - the more threads that happen, the more attention it gets. If you stop talking about it, it will just go away and die.

    Ah I see, all problems will go away if ignored. Yes that's always the solution ain't it.

    It is amazing how little people seem to care about this.


  • #16
    Davelarson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 213 ✭✭Davelarson


    Typical feminazi crap. Remember guys, you're all such savages that lose control for one second and you'll be beating and raping every woman and child you see.


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Big Smoke wrote: »
    Ah I see, all problems will go away if ignored. Yes that's always the solution ain't it.

    It is amazing how little people seem to care about this.

    What else is there to do? There is already an excellent discussion about it over on the Gentleman's Club, which can be found here.

    So, tell me, what are your opinions? Do you think it is a good thing?


  • #18
    Christine Ancient Soul
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Christine Ancient Soul


    As much as I think violence should be stopped against any gender, the very first line says "most men don't do this". So I think the cries of "how dare they say all men do this" are a bit pushing it


  • #19
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    In these days of gender equality women should be well able to stand up to men, take a punch & then give one back with a boot to the nuts too for good measure!
    Campaign is a bit ridiculous, can't see anyone looking at that poster & say, "Oh! I must stop kicking the shìt out of my wife & kids, I've seen the error of my ways!"


  • #20
    The Big Smoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭The Big Smoke


    bluewolf wrote: »
    As much as I think violence should be stopped against any gender, the very first line says "most men don't do this". So I think the cries of "how dare they say all men do this" are a bit pushing it

    Ah yes, the fact that it's called "Man up" really doesn't allude to the fact that it is a big auld brush they are using there.


  • #21
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Men who hit women should man the fuk up. A man doen't hit a woman, it's an old rule, and a good rule. I've never hit a woman in my life, never will either. Now kids...that's another whole ball of wax.little feckers.


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  • #22
    somefeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭somefeen


    If women weren't so uppity nobody would have to man up.......


  • #23
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    Men who hit women should man the fuk up. A man doen't hit a woman, it's an old rule, and a good rule. I've never hit a woman in my life, never will either. Now kids...that's another whole ball of wax.little feckers.

    Equality. Noone should hit anyone.


    and if someone his another, they should know that they are in line to be hit back, whether they have a vagina or not.


  • #24
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    bluewolf wrote: »
    As much as I think violence should be stopped against any gender, the very first line says "most men don't do this". So I think the cries of "how dare they say all men do this" are a bit pushing it

    It's pretty much saying that ONLY men abuse women and children and if they stop, everything will be okay.

    What about women abusing other women and children? Because it does happen a lot.
    Most men celebrate and respect women – they don’t control them. Good men protect and care for children. Today men are proudly standing up and declaring zero tolerance on domestic violence of any kind. It’s time to help make Ireland the safest place for women and children.


  • #25
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    It's pretty much saying that ONLY men abuse women and children and if they stop everything will be okay.

    What about women abusing other women and children? Because it does happen, a lot.
    This is the thing. And there are also women who abuse men.


  • #26
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    This is the thing. And there are also women who abuse men.

    They're called wives unfortunately :(


  • #27
    Christine Ancient Soul
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Christine Ancient Soul


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    It's pretty much saying that ONLY men abuse women and children and if they stop everything, will be okay.

    That's true which I hope I acknowledged already - it's got its flaws, it's just the claims it's saying ALL men do it are wrong


  • #28
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    bluewolf wrote: »
    As much as I think violence should be stopped against any gender, the very first line says "most men don't do this". So I think the cries of "how dare they say all men do this" are a bit pushing it

    It's the fact that the campaign is specifically directed at men and is effectively saying that any normal man is someone who might do it that's offensive.

    Imagine a campaign saying "Most black people don't rob grocery stores, but..." and ask yourself whether there would be any question of anyone justifying it in any way whatsoever.

    It's disgusting.


  • #29
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    bluewolf wrote: »
    it's just the claims it's saying ALL men do it are wrong

    I agree, the campaign doesn't say that at all.

    But what it does say is rather outrageous. We really don't need a campaign telling a small minority of one gender to stop abusing everyone else.
    Abuse is horrible and we have to stop it, against every gender and age by people of any gender and age.


  • #30
    Christine Ancient Soul
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Christine Ancient Soul


    That's true


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  • #31
    The Big Smoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭The Big Smoke


    It's called MAN UP. So I would consider that tarring us all to be honest.


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