Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 13-11-2013 07:48PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

But the fact is that Duff and Phelps had a binding agreement with Sevco 5088. The fact they then sold the club to Sevco Scotland is very strange.

If it turns out there was a binding agreement then it is strange though there is doubt over that. The simple fact is at the moment there are to many unknown variables.

bobmalooka · 13-11-2013 10:01PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

If it turns out there was a binding agreement then it is strange though there is doubt over that. The simple fact is at the moment there are to many unknown variables.

The different sevcos were created for this very purpose, muddying the waters. It's fairly technical but a judge can choose to lift the veil of incorporation to get to the bottom of it (if a prosecutor requested it) it's kind of a catch all clause for catching out smart arses who abuse the privileges of limited co's

weldoninhio · 14-11-2013 07:26PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

The different sevcos were created for this very purpose, muddying the waters. It's fairly technical but a judge can choose to lift the veil of incorporation to get to the bottom of it (if a prosecutor requested it) it's kind of a catch all clause for catching out smart arses who abuse the privileges of limited co's

Was Sevco Scotland even opened when the binding contract was signed? End game part 2 is coming I think.

BDOs report due out tomorrow will be extremely interesting. Especially if the news about the rumoured name change is true!!

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-11-2013 07:38PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Was Sevco Scotland even opened when the binding contract was signed? End game part 2 is coming I think.

BDOs report due out tomorrow will be extremely interesting. Especially if the news about the rumoured name change is true!!

You seem obsessed with this so called binding contract no one knowers for sure at the end if the day Sevco Scotland bought the club if there is a problem with Sevco 5088 and Green and Whyte that is their problem and D&P's problem.
What rumoured name change ?

bobbysands81 · 14-11-2013 11:34PM

Sevco5088 are back in the game. They were due to be voluntarily wound up but now they've withdrawn that winding up and Charles Green is no longer a director leaving Craig Whyte and Aidan Earley as the only directors.

Why would they do this? Is there a challenge coming to the asset transfer from Sevco5088 to Sevco Scotland? Didn't Green always say this transfer took place without Whyte knowing?

Could be huge repercussions coming... BDO due to report to creditors tomorrow as well.

Years left to run on this story. Years.

If Sevco5088 do own The The Rangers then have the shareholders that recently bought into RIFC (which used to be Sevco Scotland) been duped as that company holds no assets?

A Dub in Glasgo · 14-11-2013 11:42PM

Ah but it is the company not the football club that done the messy stuff

Whyte certainly doesn't do walking away

bobbysands81 · 14-11-2013 11:45PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Ah but it is the company not the football club that done the messy stuff

Whyte certainly doesn't do walking away

At this stage nobody knows what company is what or owns what.

The complicity from the SFA is staggering.

Jelle1880 · 15-11-2013 12:49PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Sevco5088 are back in the game. They were due to be voluntarily wound up but now they've withdrawn that winding up and Charles Green is no longer a director leaving Craig Whyte and Aidan Earley as the only directors.

Why would they do this? Is there a challenge coming to the asset transfer from Sevco5088 to Sevco Scotland? Didn't Green always say this transfer took place without Whyte knowing?

Could be huge repercussions coming... BDO due to report to creditors tomorrow as well.

Years left to run on this story. Years.

If Sevco5088 do own The The Rangers then have the shareholders that recently bought into RIFC (which used to be Sevco Scotland) been duped as that company holds no assets?

If the stories are true about the police stepping in then it could very well be them who put a stop to the dissolution of Sevco5088.

weldoninhio · 16-11-2013 05:38PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

You seem obsessed with this so called binding contract no one knowers for sure at the end if the day Sevco Scotland bought the club if there is a problem with Sevco 5088 and Green and Whyte that is their problem and D&P's problem.
What rumoured name change ?

Because the binding contract was binding. D&P took a deposit from Sevco 5088. The deal was that they'd go for a CVA, and if that failed then Sevco 5088 would buy the assets of the old club.

The CVA did fail, Walter made a late bid but was turned down due to the binding contract with Sevco 5088. Then for some reason the assets went to Sevco Scotland apparently.

If there was a switcharoo, this would constitute fraud and Whyte could have a claim over Ibrox and Murray Park. That's why the binding contract is so important. I wouldn't like to see a lad get defrauded by Charles Green.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-11-2013 05:51PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Because the binding contract was binding. D&P took a deposit from Sevco 5088. The deal was that they'd go for a CVA, and if that failed then Sevco 5088 would buy the assets of the old club.

The CVA did fail, Walter made a late bid but was turned down due to the binding contract with Sevco 5088. Then for some reason the assets went to Sevco Scotland apparently.

If there was a switcharoo, this would constitute fraud and Whyte could have a claim over Ibrox and Murray Park. That's why the binding contract is so important. I wouldn't like to see a lad get defrauded by Charles Green.

Oh I am sure you know that has not been proven in fact no where near it if this was the case I am pretty sure all sorts of legal proceedings would have been started by Whyte and they haven't I wonder why maybe because Whyte has to many things to hide himself . The thing is no one knows what has went on except those involved in will come out in the fullness of time. For example you stated a statement was coming from BDO yesterday and it didn't happen.

Really stop believing all you read in certain blogs

Antifa161 · 16-11-2013 05:56PM

What do the Bears here think about their club reporting Liewell to the SFA? Must be a bit embarrassed by it no? Have to be the most humourless, perma-raging club in British football. It's like that one mate that kicks off and tries to start a fight any time anybody cracks a joke about him.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-11-2013 06:01PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

What do the Bears here think about their club reporting Liewell to the SFA? Must be a bit embarrassed by it no? Have to be the most humourless, perma-raging club in British football. It's like that one mate that kicks off and tries to start a fight any time anybody cracks a joke about him.

Embarrassed not in the least more incredulous that tic fans felt the need to once again discuss Rangers that "dead" club and 1st division club at their AGM

Antifa161 · 16-11-2013 06:14PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Embarrassed not in the least

No didn't think so. Shame and humour must be up there with "walking away".

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-11-2013 06:24PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

No didn't think so. Shame and humour must be up there with "walking away".

Shame as a fan I have no reason to be ashamed by the actions of your CEO. Oh Rangers fans have plenty of humour for example many of us luaghed at this idiot last night.

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Antifa161 · 16-11-2013 06:28PM

Once again it seems your brand of humour is limited to taking seriously apparently sarcastic remarks made by people on Twitter. It's a start, keep at it.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-11-2013 06:32PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Once again it seems your brand of humour is limited to taking seriously apparently sarcastic remarks made by people on Twitter. It's a start, keep at it.

Of course it was sarcastic humour after all Celtic fans can never ever be out of order or stupid :rolleyes:

Antifa161 · 16-11-2013 06:33PM

We're not going through this again, not when I'm trying to be supportive.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-11-2013 06:37PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

We're not going through this again, not when I'm trying to be supportive.

Ah right you are forgetting you start with a post asking a question about Rangers fans being embarrassed and when I say no and then point out we found humour in something. It turns out you were being supportive thats great then nothing more to say on the subject

weldoninhio · 17-11-2013 03:12PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Oh I am sure you know that has not been proven in fact no where near it if this was the case I am pretty sure all sorts of legal proceedings would have been started by Whyte and they haven't I wonder why maybe because Whyte has to many things to hide himself . The thing is no one knows what has went on except those involved in will come out in the fullness of time. For example you stated a statement was coming from BDO yesterday and it didn't happen.

Really stop believing all you read in certain blogs

That's the head in the sand attitude that killed your old club.

Jelle1880 · 17-11-2013 03:55PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Once again it seems your brand of humour is limited to taking seriously apparently sarcastic remarks made by people on Twitter. It's a start, keep at it.

Ah, the good old 'Ah, but he was just joking so he was'

Seriously, how long do you think people keep accepting that as an argument ?

The pic is a joke indeed, but not for the reason you claim.

As for weldoninhio: Google what 'head in the sand' means, because BBE's post has nothing to do with that.

Antifa161 · 17-11-2013 03:58PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Ah, the good old 'Ah, but he was just joking so he was'

Seriously, how long do you think people keep accepting that as an argument

As long as you keep showing me the same jokes I have heard before verbatim. I can show you similar ones where Celtic fans have told Lennon to "get Hooper tae ****" after he's failed to put away his 4th goal in a match, minutes after they've been singing his praises.

Then again you could be right, which brings us back to the fact you are laughing at some random fan on Twitter, literally the dregs of the internet.

Jelle1880 · 17-11-2013 04:06PM

About your post regarding Rangers complaining about Lawwell: Do you forget that he's not simply the Celtic CEO ?

If that were the case then sure, a complaint would have been over the top.
But as Tom English puts it quite clear:

The thing is, Lawwell is no longer just the chief executive of Celtic, he is now on the professional game board (PGB) of the Scottish FA, a double-act that makes him one of the most – if not the most – powerful man in the domestic game. When he pokes fun at Rangers’ identity he does rather call into question his role on the PGB, a body that is supposed to above such petty squabbling. A few weeks ago he said that if it ever felt compromised in an SFA vote about Rangers – he was talking specifically about Dave King’s mooted application to become a director of the club – then he would consider stepping out of the room and playing no part in proceedings. In the minds of Rangers people, his Rory Bremner gag might confirm that Lawwell will always be compromised on anything to do with Rangers and, frankly, you can see their point.

There is another aspect to this, too. Lawwell wants Rangers back in the Premiership, not because he cares about what happens at Ibrox but because it would be commercially beneficial for Celtic. And when they do get back, and when Sky or BT get ready to up their investment in the Scottish game because the Old Firm derby is once again on their horizon, will Lawwell talk of Rory Bremner then? Will he say to TV partners: “Lads, put away your wallets, this is not the same Rangers, the Old Firm game is dead. They’re only an imitation act over there at Ibrox. Don’t bother giving us more money.”

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 17-11-2013 05:03PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

That's the head in the sand attitude that killed your old club.

Oh I have not got my head in the sand I assure you I know very well lots of wrong doings have been going on. But I pointed out one thing to you about BDO and there have been many more and as I say Whyte has been in no hurry to take Green or anyone else to court over these claims you are making in fact he himself is being investigated for forgery.
And as for your opening sentence just lol

Hagar the Nice. · 24-11-2013 10:34PM

Tom English,lmao.
I wonder where all those 'journos' were hiding when Murray made his "For every fiver,"statement,eh ?
Or as long as he hear's Glen Daly's 'The Celtic Song' getting played at Celtic Park " We know we are alright," or his wee dig about RFC being the 2nd largest institution in Scotland remark,or how unique it was for RFC to play in blue and white yet slagged Celtic for wearing green and white hoops which he said "were ancient."
Isn't karma a bitch.:)

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 24-11-2013 11:48PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Tom English,lmao.
I wonder where all those 'journos' were hiding when Murray made his "For every fiver,"statement,eh ?
Or as long as he hear's Glen Daly's 'The Celtic Song' getting played at Celtic Park " We know we are alright," or his wee dig about RFC being the 2nd largest institution in Scotland remark,or how unique it was for RFC to play in blue and white yet slagged Celtic for wearing green and white hoops which he said "were ancient."
Isn't karma a bitch.:)

Ah how we have missed your nonsense

Eirebear · 25-11-2013 01:41PM

lol - bit early for the bevvy on a Monday is it not?

Simple fact - You're own fans, board and chairman felt it important to talk about that "Dead Club" at your AGM.
Isn't that a bit sad?

Only Show In Town.

Dempsey · 25-11-2013 03:31PM

Eirebear wrote: »

lol - bit early for the bevvy on a Monday is it not?

Simple fact - You're own fans, board and chairman felt it important to talk about that "Dead Club" at your AGM.
Isn't that a bit sad?

Only 3 Ring Circus In Town.

Lawwell was having a laugh at Rangers fans desperate to be conned by the SFA, SPL & Charles Green to maintain a big cash cow in Scottish Football.

Surely the club would have gotten the £1m Jelavic windfall since it never went out of existance! :pac:

Antifa161 · 25-11-2013 05:57PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Simple fact - You're own fans, board and chairman felt it important to talk about that "Dead Club" at your AGM.
Isn't that a bit sad?

But it is important. How the Scottish media and footballing authorities address the issue of a major SPL club being liquidated and starting again is a very important issue, especially when it's marred by swathes of corruption. Why do your fans have this attitude where any time anybody mentions you lot at all your reaction is OMG UR ALL PYORE OBSSESSED WAE US MAN LOOK UR TALKIN ABOUT US !!!! as if you expect everyone in Scotland to ignore the demise of a huge institution, a club that has systematically cheated every other club in Scotland for a serious amount of time? I can understand that it's embarrassing to be under that sort of scrutiny and I totally appreciate that you'd rather the only digging and probing was carried out by your own people, rather than the ones who might actually find something, but try to have a little of that infamous dignity about it eh? Other clubs will talk about you, they'll probably even take the piss a bit. Especially your old rivals. What happened to Rangers was basically the single worst thing that can happen to a football club - and conversely the ultimate victory in a footballing rivalry. If you expect the victors to pretend it never happened then you are living in a different world. Maybe go and support a rugby team or something.

And for what it's worth, a solitary fan asked the question at the AGM - a question that was laughed off with a single line. You'd have people believe the entire board of directors walked in with pie charts and binders full of Rangers FC topics to reel off for the entire meeting.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 25-11-2013 06:02PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

But it is important. How the Scottish media and footballing authorities address the issue of a major SPL club being liquidated and starting again is a very important issue, especially when it's marred by swathes of corruption. Why do your fans have this attitude where any time anybody mentions you lot at all your reaction is OMG UR ALL PYORE OBSSESSED WAE US MAN LOOK UR TALKIN ABOUT US !!!! as if you expect everyone in Scotland to ignore the demise of a huge institution, a club that has systematically cheated every other club in Scotland for a serious amount of time? I can understand that it's embarrassing to be under that sort of scrutiny and I totally appreciate that you'd rather the only digging and probing was carried out by your own people, rather than the ones who might actually find something, but try to have a little of that infamous dignity about it eh? Other clubs will talk about you, they'll probably even take the piss a bit. Especially your old rivals.

And for what it's worth, a solitary fan asked the question at the AGM - a question that was laughed off with a single line. You'd have people believe the entire board of directors walked in with pie charts and binders full of Rangers FC topics to reel off for the entire meeting.

Yawn not this again every so often we have to go through this on here

Antifa161 · 25-11-2013 06:05PM

Then stop having a tantrum and calling everyone obsessed every time they make fun of your clubs. And I do realise some Celtic fans do it the other way around too, but certainly not to the same extent.

Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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