Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

TheBuilder

Antifa161 wrote: »

What are his other names? That's what I was asking. Haven't much time for him myself, find his articles a bit too self indulgent. Dunno about scum though, seems a bit harsh, and he has unearthed more truths about your club than anybody else in the Scottish football circle.

I call him scum based on personal dealings with the man and how he treats people, didn't live too far from myself until recently.

He's very self indulgent.

Well one other name was his own name translated into English that he used when in Glasgow, he used Mick Derrig as his pen name when writing for An Phoblacht and on other occassions, and I'm actually pretty sure he used another one but its slipped my mind right now.

Eirebear

TheBuilder wrote: »

I call him scum based on personal dealings with the man and how he treats people, didn't live too far from myself until recently.

He's very self indulgent.

Well one other name was his own name translated into English that he used when in Glasgow, he used Mick Derrig as his pen name when writing for An Phoblacht and on other occassions, and I'm actually pretty sure he used another one but its slipped my mind right now.

He's used various versions of his own name - Phillip Joseph Gerard Mac Giollabhain - both anglicised and Irish at certain times.

He's also "uncovered" very little, but rather has been a very handy outlet for journalists with little or no acceptable proof in order to avoid trouble for their publications.

Lennonist

Ye prefer to talk about Phil MacGiollaBhain wouldn't yis.

As I said earlier; If it's the case Whyte is still involved with Rangers, then the last newco broke the conditions under which they were given a license to set up a football club. In that scenario they should have to start again-again from the bottom tier wouldn't they?

TheBuilder

Lennonist wrote: »

Ye prefer to talk about Phil MacGiollaBhain wouldn't yis.

As I said earlier; If it's the case Whyte is still involved with Rangers, then the last newco broke the conditions under which they were given a license to set up a football club. In that scenario they should have to start again-again from the bottom tier wouldn't they?

No idea how it will work. If Green etc can prove they never knew he was involved then maybe not.

Someone will be going to jail, they're criminals.

Eirebear

Lennonist wrote: »

As I said earlier; If it's the case Whyte is still involved with Rangers, then the last newco broke the conditions under which they were given a license to set up a football club. In that scenario they should have to start again-again from the bottom tier wouldn't they?

Dunno, sure have not already established that you lot are the experts on this?

Jelle1880

If it's proven that Whyte was involved with Green all along then that's a clear case of fraud and I doubt revoking a license will be first on the agenda (no matter how hard some may wish this).

Lennonist

Eirebear wrote: »

Dunno, sure have not already established that you lot are the experts on this?

Someone will Phil you in eventually:pac:

Eirebear

Lennonist wrote: »

Someone will Phil you in eventually:pac:

I see what you did there.

Lennonist

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If it's proven that Whyte was involved with Green all along then that's a clear case of fraud and I doubt revoking a license will be first on the agenda (no matter how hard some may wish this).

What "some" - whoever they are - may wish for or not is besides the point. If it's the case that when they re-applied for a license and they were given the license under the proviso that Whyte would not be involved, but it turns out he is, then that would be a direct breach of the conditions of being given the license. They should have to start again and re-apply again, if it is found that Whyte is still involved at Rangers?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Lennonist wrote: »

What "some" - whoever they are - may wish for or not is besides the point. If it's the case that when they re-applied for a license and they were given the license under the proviso that Whyte would not be involved, but it turns out he is, then that would be a direct breach of the conditions of being given the license. They should have to start again and re-apply again, if it is found that Whyte is still involved at Rangers?

In your opinion which I will pay attention to as all the relevant information comes from Tic fans.
This is from the guy that broke the story on the BBC

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 2m
Rangers saying Pinsent Masons hasn't reported to police that Craig Whyte still has links to Rangers. Not sure which outlets stated that.

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 3m
BBC Scotland report stated that police were investigating possible continued financial involvement of CW.

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 1m
PM files passed to police, as Rangers today confirm, relate to director appointment form, "which purported to appoint CW as director...

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 56s
...of Sevco 5088 Ltd". Maybe some of press who lifted BBC Scotland story confused these facts

The company in bold has nothing to do with Rangers

bobmalooka

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

In your opinion which I will pay attention to as all the relevant information comes from Tic fans.
This is from the guy that broke the story on the BBC

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 2m
Rangers saying Pinsent Masons hasn't reported to police that Craig Whyte still has links to Rangers. Not sure which outlets stated that.

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 3m
BBC Scotland report stated that police were investigating possible continued financial involvement of CW.

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 1m
PM files passed to police, as Rangers today confirm, relate to director appointment form, "which purported to appoint CW as director...

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 56s
...of Sevco 5088 Ltd". Maybe some of press who lifted BBC Scotland story confused these facts

The company in bold has nothing to do with Rangers

Crisis over then move along boys nothing to see here

Broxi_Bear_Eire

bobmalooka wrote: »

Crisis over then move along boys nothing to see here

Did I say that No
We are deep in the **** but supposedly experienced Journalists getting simple facts wrong simply does not help matters. It just makes people distrust the media more and more.
Surely an intelligent poster like yourself can see that

weldoninhio

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

In your opinion which I will pay attention to as all the relevant information comes from Tic fans.
This is from the guy that broke the story on the BBC

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 2m
Rangers saying Pinsent Masons hasn't reported to police that Craig Whyte still has links to Rangers. Not sure which outlets stated that.

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 3m
BBC Scotland report stated that police were investigating possible continued financial involvement of CW.

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 1m
PM files passed to police, as Rangers today confirm, relate to director appointment form, "which purported to appoint CW as director...

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont 56s
...of Sevco 5088 Ltd". Maybe some of press who lifted BBC Scotland story confused these facts

The company in bold has nothing to do with Rangers

Didn't the administrators sign an agreement to sell Ibrox and Murray Park to Sevco 5088. Wasn't this pre-approved and BINDING, thus meaning Walter and his party couldn't play when they turned up with a late bid.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

weldoninhio wrote: »

Didn't the administrators sign an agreement to sell Ibrox and Murray Park to Sevco 5088. Wasn't this pre-approved and BINDING, thus meaning Walter and his party couldn't play when they turned up with a late bid.

Think it was sold to Sevco Scotland this is where the so called misunderstanding comes from

Also why the NEED to type random words contrary to what certain people believe most of us can read and write

bobmalooka

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Did I say that No
We are deep in the **** but supposedly experienced Journalists getting simple facts wrong simply does not help matters. It just makes people distrust the media more and more.
Surely an intelligent poster like yourself can see that

That's the spirit, I'm glad to see people are now judging the actual content of reports rather than accepting/rejecting reports based on how they feel about the source.

Please you'll make me blush, I wouldn't even try to keep up with rangers fans. Shares closed at 45.50or thereabouts today from 70, I'm not loyal enough to do that for my club

Jelle1880

Lennonist wrote: »

What "some" - whoever they are - may wish for or not is besides the point. If it's the case that when they re-applied for a license and they were given the license under the proviso that Whyte would not be involved, but it turns out he is, then that would be a direct breach of the conditions of being given the license. They should have to start again and re-apply again, if it is found that Whyte is still involved at Rangers?

Or it could be found that this was a stitch-up from the start (including the whole liquidation thing, the non-payments of VAT and PAYE,...) which could change a lot of things.

bobmalooka

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Or it could be found that this was a stitch-up from the start (including the whole liquidation thing, the non-payments of VAT and PAYE,...) which could change a lot of things.

Change what exactly?

bobbysands81

Eirebear wrote: »

Aye, ****in' racists the lot of 'em.

I don't know why an intelligent lad such as yourself would even associate with them, they're just bringing you down.

Phil is a fantasist and I'm no fan of his whatsoever... but he has been spot on in a lot of what he's written and if you guys had taken his lead things could have ended so different for you.

bobbysands81

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If it's proven that Whyte was involved with Green all along then that's a clear case of fraud and I doubt revoking a license will be first on the agenda (no matter how hard some may wish this).

If that's the case then do you agree the license should be revoked for The The Rangers?

Jelle1880

bobmalooka wrote: »

Change what exactly?

Jail time for a few people, people in charge of Scottish football who let it happen could get in trouble (hopefully), administration which was done on purpose,...

Surely you can see this might have big consequences ?

RoryMac

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Jail time for a few people, people in charge of Scottish football who let it happen could get in trouble (hopefully), administration which was done on purpose,...

Surely you can see this might have big consequences ?

I'm not sure they can come in for too much blame if the whole thing was planned from the start. They were reliant on information being given to them by Rangers and don't have much power to go investigating what would(if true) be a very well thought out plan to fraudulently strip Rangers of assets.

Dempsey

A full investigation, by the police & not lawyers paid for by said organisations, to see if they did their due diligence is required to determine if criminal charges are warranted.

Scottish Football & its fans requires better protection regardless of the outcome of this current police investigation

Jelle1880

RoryMac wrote: »

I'm not sure they can come in for too much blame if the whole thing was planned from the start. They were reliant on information being given to them by Rangers and don't have much power to go investigating what would(if true) be a very well thought out plan to fraudulently strip Rangers of assets.

Surely after the whole Whyte debacle and they came out with their whole fit and proper stuff a revelation of this magnitude would be the final nail in the coffin of Regan, Doncaster,... ?

TheBuilder

Police are investigating if Whyte forged Green's signatures on documents.

It's like ****ing cluedo with all these colours

RoryMac

Dempsey wrote: »

A full investigation, by the police & not lawyers paid for by said organisations, to see if they did their due diligence is required to determine if criminal charges are warranted.

Scottish Football & its fans requires better protection regardless of the outcome of this current police investigation

I agree the fans deserve better protection but there is only so far a football organisation can be expected to go to pass someone as fit & proper to run a club.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Surely after the whole Whyte debacle and they came out with their whole fit and proper stuff a revelation of this magnitude would be the final nail in the coffin of Regan, Doncaster,... ?

Of course stronger tests should be in place to be passed as fit & proper to run a club and there's no doubting Regan & Doncaster have handled this very badly but it wasn't them lying and hiding evidence to pass those tests, it was Rangers directors.

As above there is only so far a football organisation can be expected to go in investigating this but a highly organised fraud is not going to be picked up on under any realistic guidelines for a football organisation.

Dempsey

RoryMac wrote: »

I agree the fans deserve better protection but there is only so far a football organisation can be expected to go to pass someone as fit & proper to run a club.

You should look at is the German Model, offers far better protection for fans than the 'British Model'. There is alot that could be done that isnt.

If the SPFL is successful, and it looks like it will be so far, clubs are going to attract more and more of these types of characters looking to milk fans.

weldoninhio

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Think it was sold to Sevco Scotland this is where the so called misunderstanding comes from

Also why the NEED to type random words contrary to what certain people believe most of us can read and write

There lies the problem, the binding agreement was signed with Sevco 5088, not Sevco Scotland.

Whyte was part of Sevco 5088.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

weldoninhio wrote: »

There lies the problem, the binding agreement was signed with Sevco 5088, not Sevco Scotland.

Whyte was part of Sevco 5088.

Their may or may not have been an agreement between Whyte and Green to buy the club under Sevco 5088 but the fact is Sevco Scotland bought it so that would be a totally different matter. And that to the fact that the Police are now investigating whether Whyte fraudulently signed Greens name to Sevco 5088 papers sort makes things a bit more difficult now.

RoryMac

Dempsey wrote: »

You should look at is the German Model, offers far better protection for fans than the 'British Model'. There is alot that could be done that isnt.

If the SPFL is successful, and it looks like it will be so far, clubs are going to attract more and more of these types of characters looking to milk fans.

Yes the German model looks pretty much the ideal solution but would require a lot of work and agreement to implement. I'd be in favour of working towards that but we don't have it at present and within the current restraints I feel scapegoating the SFA with this mess is a little unfair.

It seems Whyte lied and schemed along with others to gain control and there was very little imo would have stopped them gaining control of Rangers at that timel.

weldoninhio

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Their may or may not have been an agreement between Whyte and Green to buy the club under Sevco 5088 but the fact is Sevco Scotland bought it so that would be a totally different matter. And that to the fact that the Police are now investigating whether Whyte fraudulently signed Greens name to Sevco 5088 papers sort makes things a bit more difficult now.

But the fact is that Duff and Phelps had a binding agreement with Sevco 5088. The fact they then sold the club to Sevco Scotland is very strange.