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Slow Lane Undertake - Points

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  • #62
    ballooba
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    And hope the other car brakes. How could that possibly go wrong.
    Why would they need to brake? I'm not following you.


  • #63
    djimi
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    Novalee Rotten Self-restraint wrote: »
    A lot of ill informed comment on this thread. From the RSA website:

    Q14 When can you overtake on the left or on the inside.?

    a. When traffic is moving more slowly in the lane to your right

    b. When driver ahead has moved out and indicated his intention to turn right

    Thats a pretty loose and typically nonsense interpretation from the RSA of the traffic law.

    If you are in slow moving traffic where all lanes are jammed then its okay for the left hand lane to be moving quicker than the right hand lane. The way the RSA have worded it makes it sound like its okay to pass anything on the left provided you are going faster than they are (is there any other way to overtake?!!).


  • #64
    wonski
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    Novalee Rotten Self-restraint wrote: »
    A lot of ill informed comment on this thread. From the RSA website:

    Q14 When can you overtake on the left or on the inside.?

    a. When traffic is moving more slowly in the lane to your right

    b. When driver ahead has moved out and indicated his intention to turn right

    LOL. obviously you can't overtake faster traffic, can you?
    It is for slow moving lanes that you are allowed to overtake on the left.


  • #65
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    djimi wrote: »
    (is there any other way to overtake?!!).

    Teleportation


  • #66
    Henry Ford III
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    Novalee Rotten Self-restraint wrote: »
    A lot of ill informed comment on this thread. From the RSA website:

    Q14 When can you overtake on the left or on the inside.?

    a. When traffic is moving more slowly in the lane to your right

    b. When driver ahead has moved out and indicated his intention to turn right

    Can you provide a link to that please?

    Of more relevance:-

    http://rsa.ie/en/Utility/Search-Results/?quicksearchquery=overtaking

    D/l the pdf. See pages 6 and 7.


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  • #67
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    wonski wrote: »
    LOL. obviously you can't overtake faster traffic, can you?
    It is for slow moving lanes that you are allowed to overtake on the left.

    My interpretation was exactly that - car in left lane going 50kph in left lane passes car going 40kph in right lane - perfectly legal according to above.


  • #68
    djimi
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    cali_eire wrote: »
    That's crazy - I am guilty of this then multiple times a day when on the M50.

    The danger arises from the fact that its not legal to pass on the left, meaning that too many people are conditioned only to look when moving right. The problem basically stems from the fact that too many motorists are too stupid to look properly when changing lanes, as overtaking on the left would not be dangerous, even if illegal, if people could be trusted to obey basic laws of observation when driving.


  • #69
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Can you provide a link to that please?

    Of more relevance:-

    Motorway Driving Booklet

    See pages 6 and 7.

    That link is dead


  • #70
    djimi
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    Novalee Rotten Self-restraint wrote: »
    My interpretation was exactly that - car in left lane going 50kph in left lane passes car going 40kph in right lane - perfectly legal according to above.

    Provided they are both driving in lanes of traffic that are doing the same speed as they are. Its not legal for a single car doing 50 to undertake a single car doing 40.


  • #71
    Henry Ford III
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    Novalee Rotten Self-restraint wrote: »
    That link is dead

    Edited now. Where's your link?


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  • #72
    AtomicHorror
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    Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »
    Typical "I'm entitled to be in the fasht lane" attitude, so prevalent amongst lane hoggers.

    Bloody hell. Did you actually read the post you responded to or do you genuinely think there are no situations in which a person driving responsibly can be passed on the left? Wrong either way and just a terrible terrible attitude. You must be a nightmare to drive near.


  • #73
    BMJD
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    I don't overtake on the left, I drive in the correct lane. Any cars passed in the lane(s) to my right is just an unfortunate coincidence :)


  • #74
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Can you provide a link to that please?

    Will try to dig it out but it is also quoted in the driver theory test booklet. Did my test recently so i know its exactly as described previously.


  • #75
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Edited now. Where's your link?

    Jesus will u give me a minute to look.


  • #76
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    djimi wrote: »
    Provided they are both driving in lanes of traffic that are doing the same speed as they are. Its not legal for a single car doing 50 to undertake a single car doing 40.

    That is my understanding as well but not the understanding of the majority of posters here it seems.


  • #77
    djimi
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    If anyone wants to link to these rules then they are better off linking to the statute book only, not to the likes of the RSA who only interpret what is written in law (and often not very well).


  • #78
    ballooba
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Absolutely Anan but one drivers bad driving doesn't allow or justify another's.
    You could turn the other cheek and be a doormat. That applies to any aspect of life and how you respond to others ignorance. I choose to meet ignorance with ignorance. Otherwise people will walk all over you.


  • #79
    markad1
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    cali_eire wrote: »
    That's crazy - I am guilty of this then multiple times a day when on the M50.

    Me too every day ...not exceeding 100kph :rolleyes:


  • #80
    AtomicHorror
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    ballooba wrote: »
    You could turn the other cheek and be a doormat. That applies to any aspect of life and how you respond to others ignorance. I choose to meet ignorance with ignorance. Otherwise people will walk all over you.

    Or drive right into you, in some cases. But as you sit injured in your car, the most import thing to remember is that they were in the wrong.


  • #81
    Henry Ford III
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    ballooba wrote: »
    You could turn the other cheek and be a doormat. That applies to any aspect of life and how you respond to others ignorance. I choose to meet ignorance with ignorance. Otherwise people will walk all over you.

    That's rather philosphical for a motoring forum. An eye for an eye and all that.


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  • #82
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Edited now. Where's your link?

    Page 52

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Rules_of_the_road.pdf

    also a question on driver theory test with same answer.


  • #83
    Mince Pie
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    So driving along the N2 going to the airport last night and no traffic. I'm driving in the driving lane and happen across a van in the overtaking lane trundling along doing their own thing.
    Am I seriously expected to move over two lanes and follow this idiot and expect them to pull over?
    Nah, I don't think so. I will carry on doing what I'm doing at an appropiate speed.


  • #84
    YbFocus
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    I do for the sake of getting them back into the other Lane, that's where they should be and I won't pass on the left unless they really make a case of sitting there for 2 mins etc.


  • #85
    Henry Ford III
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    Novalee Rotten Self-restraint wrote: »
    A lot of ill informed comment on this thread. From the RSA website:

    Q14 When can you overtake on the left or on the inside.?

    a. When traffic is moving more slowly in the lane to your right

    b. When driver ahead has moved out and indicated his intention to turn right

    Rather selective quote don't you think?

    What you omitted was "when both lanes are travelling slowly". That has been defined elsewhere as bumper to bumper or stop start conditions.

    p.s. You can also overtake on the lhs when leaving a dual carraigeway/motorway if you've indicated left and are leaving the road.


  • #86
    Macy0161
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    TheFarrier wrote: »
    If I was travelling in the left hand lane, at the appropriate speed, and came upon a vehicle in the overtaking lane travelling slower than I am, and proceeded without changing lanes or speed to pass the other vehicle, am I still wrong??
    You'd hope that the cops would have a bit of cop on, but technically you'd be in the wrong. I do it myself, and take my chances. Prime spot for this the M50 northbound after it goes from two to three lanes. Very few drivers seem to move left from what has become the first overtaking lane, into the new driving lane and are still pootling along in the middle lane at Firhouse, while the driving lane is empty.

    I'm actually shocked someone has seen someone pulled over for hogging the overtaking lane. I've seen plenty of the traffic corps ignore vehicles for which it's an offence for them to be in the overtaking lane, never mind whether they are slowing traffic.


  • #87
    Henry Ford III
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    Mince Pie wrote: »
    So driving along the N2 going to the airport last night and no traffic. I'm driving in the driving lane and happen across a van in the overtaking lane trundling along doing their own thing.
    Am I seriously expected to move over two lanes and follow this idiot and expect them to pull over?
    Nah, I don't think so. I will carry on doing what I'm doing at an appropiate speed.

    Unfortunately that's exactly what you should do.

    If the Gardai cracked down hard and consistantly on poor lane discipline you'd both rightly get done for what happened.


  • #88
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Rather selective quote don't you think?

    What you omitted was "when both lanes are travelling slowly". That has been defined elsewhere as bumper to bumper or stop start conditions.

    p.s. You can also overtake on the lhs when leaving a dual carraigeway/motorway if you've indicated left and are leaving the road.


    Is slowly not subjective? 40kph could be considerd slow when speebd limit is 120kph. Alternatively 20kph could be considered extremely fast if speed limit is 5kph.


  • #89
    mjv2ydratu679c
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Rather selective quote don't you think?

    What you omitted was "when both lanes are travelling slowly". That has been defined elsewhere as bumper to bumper or stop start conditions.

    p.s. You can also overtake on the lhs when leaving a dual carraigeway/motorway if you've indicated left and are leaving the road.
    Wasn't deliberate - i got if from another site which had omitted that part (http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/answers.html) before I found it on RSA site. What's with the aggro attitude in your posts? You need to chill out.


  • #90
    Mince Pie
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Unfortunately that's exactly what you should do.

    If the Gardai cracked down hard and consistantly on poor lane discipline you'd both rightly get done for what happened.

    I get that but I also reckon the revenue they could accumlate from idiot tax on the roads would seriously make a huge difference to driving experience and the coffers of the gubberment.
    I just find it ridiculous that you can be driving along the motorway and nothing for miles, effectively the whole thing to yourself and still come across idiots using the overtaking lane like their own private highway. :mad::mad::mad:

    I learned how to drive in the UK and am well used to driving correctly on motorways. It astounds me how badly the motorways are used here at home.


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  • #91
    Henry Ford III
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    Novalee Rotten Self-restraint wrote: »
    Wasn't deliberate - i got if from another site which had omitted that part. What's with the aggro attitude in your posts? You need to chill out.

    No aggro from me fella.

    I saw you were making selective quotes that's all.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1964/en/si/0294.html#zzsi294y1964a19

    That's the legal position, and I think it's pretty clear.


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