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Slow Lane Undertake - Points

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  • #32
    __Robinhood__
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭__Robinhood__


    It wasn't a motorway/slip road situation - road went from a two lane to a three lane (ie 2 lanes north, one lane south) where drivers could use 'overtaking lane' if needed. The 'hoggers' in question pulled into the overtaking lane and remained at a constant speed there. Hence me and another guy undertook on there immediate left.


  • #33
    AtomicHorror
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    ballooba wrote: »
    If there's enough space to over take on the left, then there's enough space to pull in. Only exception would be if the car on the left is an F1 car.

    This assumes both drivers agree on the definition of "enough space", which is unlikely if one of the drivers is breaking the law. It also assumes that the car on the right can outpace the passing car enough to move left, which might not be possible if the car on the right is already at the speed limit.


  • #34
    dantastic
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    __Robinhood__ wrote: »
    It wasn't a motorway/slip road situation - road went from a two lane to a three lane (ie 2 lanes north, one lane south) where drivers could use 'overtaking lane' if needed. The 'hoggers' in question pulled into the overtaking lane and remained at a constant speed there. Hence me and another guy undertook on there immediate left.

    Just for arguments sake. Can you please indicate what speeds we're talking here?


  • #35
    cali_eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭cali_eire


    I learned to drive on California freeways that have a few more lanes than the M50. Over there, it's a free for all on which lane you pass on as long as you do it safely. To be honest I haven't got out of the habit here but I guess I will have to quickly before I get a point.


  • #36
    __Robinhood__
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    50kph


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  • #37
    YbFocus
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    __Robinhood__ wrote: »
    50kph

    They definitely sounds like day dreamers oblivious to everything!


  • #38
    Pique
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    No, you assume that's the case but actually you don't know enough details to make that assumption.

    It's possible that one or both of the hoggers had moved into the overtake lane to pass another driver, and that OP overtook the same driver before moving quickly back into the left lane to pass the hoggers before they could safely move left again. It's possible the hoggers passed another car while OP was merging, after which OP accelerated to overtake the hoggers, who correctly maintained their position until he had passed. It's possible the hoggers initially moved into the overtake lane because they saw OP was about to merge.

    Sure, it's most likely the hoggers were in the wrong, but why act like it's a certainty, particularly when OP has made no indication that anyone else was at fault?

    Funny. You accuse Anan1 of making an assumption (a reasonable one at that) and then proceed to make up a huge and complicated story to excuse the lane hoggers .

    If those in the right lane were doing 50kph, what then?


  • #39
    ballooba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭ballooba


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    It also assumes that the car on the right can outpace the passing car enough to move left, which might not be possible if the car on the right is already at the speed limit.
    Why do they need to outpace them? They just need to move left.


  • #40
    AtomicHorror
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    djimi wrote: »
    I know what youre saying, but lets be honest, 99 times out of 100 a middle lane hogger is someone who is just daydreaming in the wrong lane.

    We agree on that.


  • #41
    dantastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭dantastic


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    I'd agree that probably 90% of it is a response to lane hogging, but that doesn't excuse the act. So you end up matching speeds with the guy in the overtake lane doing 80. It's annoying, sure, but you'll live.

    Are you one of those people with over inflated sense of entitlement to the outside lane?

    Move the F over!

    If I'm going too fast it's a matter for AGS, not some vigilante.


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  • #42
    AtomicHorror
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    Pique wrote: »
    Funny. You accuse Anan1 of making an assumption (a reasonable one at that) and then proved to make up a huge and complicated symptom to excuse the lane hoggers .

    No, I provided three fairly simple scenarios which I gather you didn't read. You just saw a block of text. I didn't assume any of these 3 cases to be true, I was just pointing out that it's not guaranteed that undertaking is always explained by someone else's fault.
    Pique wrote: »
    If those in the right lane were doing 50kph, what then?

    Undertake. As suggested in another post I made. The rule as I understand it is that it's ok to undertake if you're blocked from moving right and matching speeds with traffic on your right would take you below the lower safe speed limit.


  • #43
    AtomicHorror
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    dantastic wrote: »
    Are you one of those people with over inflated sense of entitlement to the outside lane?

    Move the F over!

    Nope. More assumption. Lane hoggers piss me off, but that doesn't give me the sense of entitlement that it permits me to commit a crime in response to theirs.


  • #44
    djimi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,234 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Undertake. As suggested in another post I made. The rule as I understand it is that it's ok to undertake if you're blocked from moving right and matching speeds with traffic on your right would take you below the lower safe speed limit.

    Not quite. Undertaking is permitted in slow moving traffic (I think is how it is worded), but this means that if you are in two/three solid lanes of slow moving traffic then its okay for the left hand lane to be moving quicker than the right hand lane. It doesnt mean that you can breeze by a slow moving car just because they are in the wrong lane.


  • #45
    YbFocus
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Undertake. As suggested in another post I made. The rule as I understand it is that it's ok to undertake if you're blocked from moving right and matching speeds with traffic on your right would take you below the lower safe speed limit.

    But then why did the Gardai pull him.
    As far as I can see you can only pass on the left when the traffic is near stationary, not 50kph.


  • #46
    AtomicHorror
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    YbFocus wrote: »
    But then why did the Gardai pulling him.
    As far as I can see you can only pass on the left when the traffic is near stationary, not 50kph.

    In my scenario, I'm assuming we're talking about a motor way. OPs case seems to have a road with an 80 or 100kph limit. I guess the lower limit is lower again so.
    djimi wrote: »
    Not quite. Undertaking is permitted in slow moving traffic (I think is how it is worded), but this means that if you are in two/three solid lanes of slow moving traffic then its okay for the left hand lane to be moving quicker than the right hand lane. It doesnt mean that you can breeze by a slow moving car just because they are in the wrong lane.

    Yeah, I've always thought that wording was pretty vague. I think if the overtaking lane on a motorway is down to below 50kph that qualifies as "slow moving traffic"?


  • #47
    TheFarrier
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    How is undertaking defined??

    If I was travelling in the left hand lane, at the appropriate speed, and came upon a vehicle in the overtaking lane travelling slower than I am, and proceeded without changing lanes or speed to pass the other vehicle, am I still wrong??


  • #48
    AtomicHorror
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    TheFarrier wrote: »
    How is undertaking defined??

    If I was travelling in the left hand lane, at the appropriate speed, and came upon a vehicle in the overtaking lane travelling slower than I am, and proceeded without changing lanes or speed to pass the other vehicle, am I still wrong??

    Annoyingly, yes.


  • #49
    Cleveland Hot Pocket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭Cleveland Hot Pocket


    TheFarrier wrote: »
    How is undertaking defined??

    If I was travelling in the left hand lane, at the appropriate speed, and came upon a vehicle in the overtaking lane travelling slower than I am, and proceeded without changing lanes or speed to pass the other vehicle, am I still wrong??

    Undertaking takes place in a funeral home.

    Overtaking on the left would be what you described above. It's wrong but because of the fcuktards that can't drive and hog the overtaking lane while not overtaking, we all overtake in that manner.


  • #50
    YbFocus
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    TheFarrier wrote: »
    How is undertaking defined??

    If I was travelling in the left hand lane, at the appropriate speed, and came upon a vehicle in the overtaking lane travelling slower than I am, and proceeded without changing lanes or speed to pass the other vehicle, am I still wrong??

    Yep you have just undertook. You must move out and get him to move left for a legal pass.


  • #51
    YbFocus
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    Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »
    Undertaking takes place in a funeral home.

    Overtaking on the left would be what you described above. It's wrong but because of the fcuktards that can't drive and hog the overtaking lane while not overtaking, we all overtake in that manner.

    Smarthole :)


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  • #52
    JJJJNR
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    Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »
    We actually do. If you can be overtaken on the left, then you are in the wrong lane ;)

    I don't agree, so basically you would overtake on the left with a small enough gap and risk taking out your car, the car you undertake and the car driving in the driving lane.


  • #53
    cali_eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭cali_eire


    YbFocus wrote: »
    Yep you have just undertook. You must move out and get him to move left for a legal pass.

    That's crazy - I am guilty of this then multiple times a day when on the M50.


  • #54
    AtomicHorror
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    ballooba wrote: »
    Why do they need to outpace them? They just need to move left.

    And hope the other car brakes. How could that possibly go wrong.


  • #55
    YbFocus
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    cali_eire wrote: »
    That's crazy - I am guilty of this then multiple times a day when on the M50.

    If someone had moved left on you and caused a crash I reckon you could have been in big trouble!
    Always always always pass on the right, that's all you need to know :)


  • #56
    Akrasia
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    1. Everyone on here seems to agree that many 'lane hoggers' are just daydreamers who aren't paying attention/don't know the rules of the road

    2. If you know the person in front of you is driving in a daze, why would you put yourself into the danger of undertaking them. They could realise at any moment that they're in the wrong lane and if they're bad drivers, they might just switch lanes without checking their mirrors/blind spots

    When i see a driver who's clearly on autopilot, I generally hang back and give them extra space cause they're unpredictable and I don't want be near them when they do something stupid.

    I've been 'undertaken' multiple times on a busy motorway when I'm overtaking slower moving traffic, by drivers who swerve between the different lanes and it's extremely dangerous. They think because there is space between me and the car in front of me that I'm a 'lane hogger'
    I'm just following the 2 second rule and just because there is space on the road for them to fit their car, doesn't mean they should be driving in it.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #57
    Henry Ford III
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    Anan1 wrote: »
    If a car is able to overtake you on the left then you're in the wrong lane.

    Absolutely Anan but one drivers bad driving doesn't allow or justify another's.


  • #58
    Mr. Tezza
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Mr. Tezza


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    I actually seen the Traffic Corps pull someone over for lane hogging, so it does happen but they should pull more over for it..


    Happened right in front of me, on the way to Cork from Killarney before ballyvourney there's a section of the Road split up into 2 lanes, I came up behind a car doing about 40mph in the right hand lane, I flashed the car and beeped but no response, considered going into the left hand lane but thought better of it I'll just wait til theres a straight and overtake.


    Next thing I noticed blue flashing lights in my rear mirror, thought i'd done something wrong at first, pulled into the left hand lane and started to slow down.

    They shot past me (unmarked squad car) and started beeping at the other car that was hogging the right hand lane, pulled them in.

    To this day I reckon it was because they wouldn't pull in for me...


  • #59
    Cleveland Hot Pocket
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    cali_eire wrote: »
    That's crazy - I am guilty of this then multiple times a day when on the M50.
    Me too.
    JJJJNR wrote: »
    I don't agree, so basically you would overtake on the left with a small enough gap and risk taking out your car, the car you undertake and the car driving in the driving lane.

    You can agree or disagree but them's the facts. If you can be overtaken (safely, for arguments sake) on the left then you are certainly in the wrong lane.
    Akrasia wrote: »
    I'm just following the 2 second rule and just because there is space on the road for them to fit their car, doesn't mean they should be driving in it.

    Typical "I'm entitled to be in the fasht lane" attitude, so prevalent amongst lane hoggers.
    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Absolutely Anan but one drivers bad driving doesn't allow or justify another's.
    In this case it doesn't allow, but certainly justifies it. IMO of course.


  • #60
    mjv2ydratu679c
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭mjv2ydratu679c


    A lot of ill informed comment on this thread. From the RSA website:

    Q14 When can you overtake on the left or on the inside.?

    a. When traffic is moving more slowly in the lane to your right

    b. When driver ahead has moved out and indicated his intention to turn right


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  • #61
    cali_eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭cali_eire


    Akrasia wrote: »
    it's extremely dangerous
    Granted I wont be doing it anymore now that I now know that maintaining the same speed and passing on the left is also considered overtaking (Thanks for the education - sincerely ) but I take issue with this all being extremely dangerous. If it was legal and a matter of course, the road would function much more efficiently. 90% of my freeway (motorway) driving has been on 4 and 5 lane roads and the gridlock would have been exponentially worse (with more accidents) if this system was in place.


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