Teen Seeking Help After Car Accident Rang Doorbell, Was Shot In The Head

clashburke · 08-11-2013 12:45AM

Blay wrote: »

I've 500 for both my licences..so 500 .22lr and 500 12 gauge. I also applied for 500 for my pistol which is processing atm. I could get all of them increased to about 1500 each easily enough if I asked for it.

Neither my character referees nor my doctor were contacted about my applications nor was my safe even checked and they were granted in 10 and 12 days respectively.

if that right your doing well. It took me nearly 4months to get my licences with all refrences, doctors, gun dealers and land owners being phoned. Had to argue for 200 rounds on the shotie ( i shoot 250 per week). Safe of everyone I know being checked as well.

Depends on the area i suppose.

MadsL wrote: »

Don't be too smug...
http://www.herald.ie/news/dublin-murder-rate-is-one-of-europes-highest-27897137.html

That's murder rates it could include death by drunk drives, stabbings etc.
irrelevant to this thread

wexie wrote: »

And wrong again....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Do you actually check anything you say or do you just presume to be right?

As stated America is the highest developed country on that list

czx wrote: »

Population size is always relevant

Not when it is done per 100,000 of population!!

My opinion would be that the stero type is wrong, but that deaths by legally held fire arms in America are clearly higher than Ireland, UK and Australia!!
Arguing other wise is pointless

clashburke · 08-11-2013 12:47AM

MadsL wrote: »

And this thread is about a shotgun I believe.

You have been talking about handguns for pages!!

wexie · 08-11-2013 12:47AM

COYVB wrote: »

It's very much not to be fair

Really?

Explain to me then the relevant differences between gun crime in developed and 'undeveloped' countries. (excluding warzones).

Completely irrelevant distinction.

MadsL · 08-11-2013 12:50AM

clashburke wrote: »

You have been talking about handguns for pages!!

Nope, Seaneh has been droning on about the difference between licensed and registered. Not sure why.

clashburke · 08-11-2013 12:54AM

MadsL wrote: »

Nope, Seaneh has been droning on about the difference between licensed and registered. Not sure why.

yes and page 17 is the first time you decided to say shotguns are the firearm at question, after talking about them for pages!!

MadsL · 08-11-2013 01:03AM

clashburke wrote: »

yes and page 17 is the first time you decided to say shotguns are the firearm at question, after talking about them for pages!!

Responding.

How do you feel handguns or shotguns make a difference anyhow?

clashburke · 08-11-2013 01:33AM

MadsL wrote: »

Responding.

How do you feel handguns or shotguns make a difference anyhow?

The thread is about a young girl being killed with a shotgun i believe so that would be the main topic for discussion. However the thread is full of gun law chitchat so...

A comparison on gun laws can be made with Ireland on shotguns in a way.
But not with handguns as only licenses for .22 handguns have been issued here to a small number i believe.
In any case our laws are on a whole much stricter

COYVB · 08-11-2013 02:17AM

wexie wrote: »

Really?

Explain to me then the relevant differences between gun crime in developed and 'undeveloped' countries. (excluding warzones).

Completely irrelevant distinction.

It's to do with the level of crime full stop. Developing countries have more crime all round. They have more unemployment, starvation and poverty, and therefore people who'll do what it takes to survive - one of the most common approaches being crime. Worse infrastructures also means it tends to be more difficult for law enforcement to keep problems contained

Of course you knew that already though, and you're just being argumentative for the sake of saving face I'm sure

CaliforniaDream · 08-11-2013 03:04AM

MadsL wrote: »

Over 100 incidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

Less than 100 actually.
And going by that list and this list:

67/91 (73%) of those in Europe used a firearm with the earliest year being 1841.
72/78 (92%) of those in the US used a firearm with the earliest date being 1863.
If you want to use the entire Americas and not just the US it's 86/106 (81%).

That's quite a difference.
I'm not sure there's a good enough reason for the girl being shot going by initial reports, but until more comes out I'm not going to speculate.
It's sad either way though. Living in the US I do worry about shootings (to a degree). It's not something that would ever enter my head in Ireland.

MonaPizza · 08-11-2013 05:18AM

MadsL wrote: »

Those three links were from countries with strict gun controls, from the past few days. No-one starting threads on them. Someone gets shot in the US...'Merika.
Change the record ffs. Really old now.

Let's just say she wasn't shot in the back of the head. Let's just say she was approached from behind by the house occupant and struck on the back of the skull with a meat cleaver, axe or bat to the point of her dying on the spot. Would you be ok with the killing then?

You see, it only seems to matter to people like you that she was killed with the least amount of effort by her killer, i.e. via a gun. She's still dead, so would it make a difference to you if she was doused in petrol and set alight from behind or perhaps impaled with a pitch-fork or hacked open with a machete? Because it shouldn't

Would you have a different view of someone knocking on a door in the middle of the night and being shot to death as opposed to someone knocking on a door in the middle of the night and being dragged to the ground and strangled?

Surely if the occupant legitimately feared for their lives then it shouldn't matter how they killed the so-called "perceived" threat.

irishmover · 08-11-2013 05:34AM

Sigh.

MadsL · 08-11-2013 06:23AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

Let's just say she wasn't shot in the back of the head. Let's just say she was approached from behind by the house occupant and struck on the back of the skull with a meat cleaver, axe or bat to the point of her dying on the spot. Would you be ok with the killing then?

Bit of a HUGE assumption that I'm somehow OK with it however it happened. We don't have all the facts it seems from the news reports.

You see, it only seems to matter to people like you that she was killed with the least amount of effort by her killer, i.e. via a gun.

What does "people like me" mean? I feel a bit of tar, is that a brush you have?

She's still dead, so would it make a difference to you if she was doused in petrol and set alight from behind or perhaps impaled with a pitch-fork or hacked open with a machete? Because it shouldn't

You are telling me how to feel now?

Would you have a different view of someone knocking on a door in the middle of the night and being shot to death as opposed to someone knocking on a door in the middle of the night and being dragged to the ground and strangled?

I'mnot really sure what your point is?

Surely if the occupant legitimately feared for their lives then it shouldn't matter how they killed the so-called "perceived" threat.

Where have I argued that self-defence should be limited to the use of guns? Not that we even know if this was a self-defence case, it is reported by some to be an accidental discharge. And there seems to be two hours missing in the timeline.

I think you seem to have made up a view that I'm supposed to hold. Which is news to me.

diomed · 08-11-2013 07:12AM

This is gun worship keepie-uppie.

czx · 08-11-2013 08:39AM

clashburke wrote: »

Not when it is done per 100,000 of population!!

The rate is calculated from the full population size. Just because it's presented per 100,000 doesn't change that

MrPudding · 08-11-2013 09:00AM

wexie wrote: »

hmmm.....I don't actually own a gun, but I'll tell ya if I did; and I was woken up in the middle of the night by someone banging on my frontdoor; then the gun wouldn't be far away when I went downstairs to open the door.

So. You currently don't own a gun. So far you have managed to get through life without answering the door with a gun in your hand and you have apparently survived. Why, if you owned a gun, would it become more dangerous to open your door? What is it about owning a gun that makes answering your door that bit more dangerous that you have to do it armed?

MrP

MadsL · 08-11-2013 02:42PM

MrPudding wrote: »

So. You currently don't own a gun. So far you have managed to get through life without answering the door with a gun in your hand and you have apparently survived. Why, if you owned a gun, would it become more dangerous to open your door? What is it about owning a gun that makes answering your door that bit more dangerous that you have to do it armed?

MrP

Living in Detroit perhaps?

P.Walnuts · 08-11-2013 05:55PM

MadsL wrote: »

Living in Detroit perhaps?

And I presume the safety of Detroit is completely unrelated to the plethora of guns available :pac:

And before you go on about Detroit having strict gun laws blah blah blah

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/out-of-state-guns-ny-gun-crimes-article-1.1414139

zega · 08-11-2013 06:20PM

America is a gun infested **** hole.

08-11-2013 06:24PM

Is it just me or has this thread become a little personal ?

Timmyctc · 08-11-2013 06:35PM

2011 wrote: »

Is it just me or has this thread become a little personal ?

czx · 08-11-2013 07:03PM

zega wrote: »

America is a gun infested **** hole.

woah maan, relax and take another toke

Billy86 · 08-11-2013 07:07PM

czx wrote: »

woah maan, relax and take another toke

What in his post hinted at him smoking weed?

Red Nissan · 08-11-2013 07:10PM

theblaqueguy wrote: »

Thats crazy why would you shoot someone that just knocked on your door its not as if she was trying to break into the house
Hope whoever did it gets locked up for the rest of their life

What was the address again? Parts of that city are the most dangerous in the world.

Overheal · 08-11-2013 07:14PM

Seaneh wrote: »

****ing hell.

There really is only one thing to say here.

'Murika.

I would say D'troit, actually. That city has fallen apart so badly that it's effectively 3rd World.

Kev_2012 · 08-11-2013 07:15PM

That's America for you! My first ever time in the States was about a month ago now, we went for a trip down to Seattle, and I kept thinking to myself "anyone around here could legally have an assault rifle on them!". Had a great time and all that but I was so happy to go back over the Canadian border and feel safe!

Don't think I could live in the US considering how easy it is to get guns and how bloody legal it is!!

Overheal · 08-11-2013 07:17PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

That's America for you! My first ever time in the States was about a month ago now, we went for a trip down to Seattle, and I kept thinking to myself "anyone around here could legally have an assault rifle on them!". Had a great time and all that but I was so happy to go back over the Canadian border and feel safe!

:rolleyes:

That's Seattle for you, everyone is carrying a Pike Roast grande' and an AR-15 in their pocket, just ready to whip it out and blow the brains out of the first Canadian who stops to ask how to get to board the monorail.

No, you go ahead and get over that border.

tomdempsey200 · 08-11-2013 07:21PM

Billy86 wrote: »

What in his post hinted at him smoking weed?

zega wrote: »

America is a gun infested tokehole.

this

Billy86 · 08-11-2013 07:24PM

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

this

Ah, now I see. Should never have set my internet censor to Ned Flanders.

Kev_2012 · 08-11-2013 07:42PM

Overheal wrote: »

:rolleyes:

That's Seattle for you, everyone is carrying a Pike Roast grande' and an AR-15 in their pocket, just ready to whip it out and blow the brains out of the first Canadian who stops to ask how to get to board the monorail.

No, you go ahead and get over that border.

They were throwing fish at each other and all :rolleyes:

I dunno, I just felt A LOT safer back in Vancouver than I did in Seattle.
Although I'm from Limerick, I shouldn't have to feel unsafe anywhere!!

theblaqueguy · 08-11-2013 07:50PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

What was the address again? Parts of that city are the most dangerous in the world.

And that makes it ok to shoot someone in the head?

Teen Seeking Help After Car Accident Rang Doorbell, Was Shot In The Head

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