Teen Seeking Help After Car Accident Rang Doorbell, Was Shot In The Head

dees99 · 07-11-2013 11:06PM

:rolleyes:

Nabber wrote: »

America has a large population. These things are bound to happen when you combine large population with easy access to guns.

Good luck to them.

Ireland has a large population of heavy drinkers with easy access to a car. Drink driving accidents including fatal are bound to happen. Oh well, who gives a fcuk right?

Good luck to them.

MadYaker · 07-11-2013 11:07PM

Blay wrote: »

That's all incorrect.

Enlighten us so, I don't own a gun. Aren't there regulations on the amount of ammo you're allowed to keep as well?

MadsL · 07-11-2013 11:07PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Most US states don't even have background checks.

What? There were almost 20 million federal background checks run last year.

Your ignorance of American laws is quite staggering. I suggest some reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act

Witcher · 07-11-2013 11:13PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Enlighten us so, I don't own a gun. Aren't there regulations on the amount of ammo you're allowed to keep as well?

They don't check your families records, they have to give you a reason for a refusal and the super has a set number of reasons why he can refuse..he can't refuse because he dislikes firearms.

You can have as much ammunition as you like if you have a reason for it and your super accepts that reason and grants it.

I've 500 for both my licences..so 500 .22lr and 500 12 gauge. I also applied for 500 for my pistol which is processing atm. I could get all of them increased to about 1500 each easily enough if I asked for it.

Neither my character referees nor my doctor were contacted about my applications nor was my safe even checked and they were granted in 10 and 12 days respectively.

MadsL · 07-11-2013 11:13PM

MadYaker wrote: »

When was the last time you heard of and innocent person being shot in the head on a doorstep in Ireland?

Ah leave Michael Collins out of it.

How about last month...

http://www.herald.ie/news/chaos-as-four-shot-in-horror-pub-attack-29658374.html

When was the last time you heard of somebody bringing a gun to a military base/school/cinema and killing a load of people in Ireland.

In Ireland, not so mch, rest of Europe fairly regularly.

You are comparing these shootings to scumbag drug dealers shooting each other in backalleys on the northside of Dublin. You aren't comparing like with like.

Yeah, let's ignore scumbags killing each other, but include US scumbags killing each other in the shocking US murder rates.

As has been pointed out already Ireland has a relatively high level of gun ownership yet we see none of these crazy stories that you get in the USA. This would suggest to me that guns and lax gun control laws, while not helping, are not the main cause of the problem. The main cause of the problem is crazy people which can be found anywhere, not just in the USA.

Yep, those crazy people in Ireland with their free mental health care.

Unfortunately in the case of the USA it seems to be very easy for these people to get their hands on high powered weapons. Logic would suggest that much stricter gun control laws and laws relating to where guns can be kept in a house would be a good idea.

Your logic is faulty, UK has very strict rules and accidental and other shootings still happen.

Seaneh · 07-11-2013 11:14PM

czx wrote: »

More people are killed yearly by firearms in countries that aren't the US than are killed yearly by firearms in the US

No **** Sherlock.

The US makes up less than 5% of the population of the planet, of course more people die outside the US from firearms than in the US. Large swaths of the planet are engulfed in war at any one time.

wexie · 07-11-2013 11:15PM

czx wrote: »

More people are killed yearly by firearms in countries that aren't the US than are killed yearly by firearms in the US

Yeah what is people's obsession with the US?

Have a look at this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_region

According to this Greenland (of all places) has a murder rate nearly 5 times as high as the US......population of only 56000 and 11 murders. If you extrapolated the numbers you'd get to 161 murders every day!!! Or....funnily enough, pretty much the population of Greenland....of all places....

Don't recall ever having seen a thread on a murder in Greenland.

Russia, more than twice as high.

Any number of countries have a much higher murder rate than the US.....but we never hear about them

I wonder why that is

Seaneh · 07-11-2013 11:17PM

wexie wrote: »

Yeah what is people's obsession with the US?

Have a look at this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_region

According to this Greenland (of all places) has a murder rate nearly 5 times as high as the US......population of only 56000 and 11 murders. If you extrapolated the numbers you'd get to 161 murders every day!!! Or....funnily enough, pretty much the population of Greenland....of all places....

Don't recall ever having seen a thread on a murder in Greenland.

Russia, more than twice as high.

Any number of countries have a much higher murder rate than the US.....but we never hear about them

I wonder why that is

This thread isn't about murder rate, it's about a teenage girl being shot in the head after knocking on someones door.

Seaneh · 07-11-2013 11:18PM

MadsL wrote: »

Your logic is faulty, UK has very strict rules and accidental and other shootings still happen.

How often?
Compare them per capita to the US.

Does it still seem like faulty logic?

Nope, didn't think so.

MadsL · 07-11-2013 11:19PM

wexie wrote: »

Yeah what is people's obsession with the US?

Have a look at this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_region

According to this Greenland (of all places) has a murder rate nearly 5 times as high as the US......population of only 56000 and 11 murders. If you extrapolated the numbers you'd get to 161 murders every day!!! Or....funnily enough, pretty much the population of Greenland....of all places....

Don't recall ever having seen a thread on a murder in Greenland.

Russia, more than twice as high.

Any number of countries have a much higher murder rate than the US.....but we never hear about them

I wonder why that is

A chance to show how above the 'sad' culture they are, whilst gobbling up GTAV, Breaking Bad and The Wire.

They have simply tuned out the cultural dissonace tbh.

pew! pew!

Billy86 · 07-11-2013 11:20PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

That article doesn't show gun deaths with legally held firearms opposed to illegally held in the UK. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the majority of that 58 were gang-related deaths with illegally held weapons.

I would agree there, though I would also think that would be similar for the 8,775 US death (or if not illegally owned, at least in dodgy circumstances - e.g. gang culture, bikers, etc) albeit to a lesser extent. Basically that the gangs can legally get their hands on the guns legally a lot easier than in the UK.

07-11-2013 11:21PM

MadsL wrote: »

Ah leave Michael Collins out of it.

How about last month...

http://www.herald.ie/news/chaos-as-four-shot-in-horror-pub-attack-29658374.html

And before that?

In Ireland, not so mch, rest of Europe fairly regularly.

How fairly?

Yeah, let's ignore scumbags killing each other, but include US scumbags killing each other in the shocking US murder rates.

Include them if you want, still much more in America.

Yep, those crazy people in Ireland with their free mental health care.

So now you're going with America's higher gun murder rate being a mental health issue?

Your logic is faulty, UK has very strict rules and accidental and other shootings still happen.

At the same rate?

MadsL · 07-11-2013 11:21PM

Seaneh wrote: »

This thread isn't about murder rate, it's about a teenage girl being shot in the head after knocking on someones door.

To which your first response is some crappy meme.

Now you are playing the empathy card? Unreal.

Bravo.

wexie · 07-11-2013 11:22PM

Seaneh wrote: »

This thread isn't about murder rate, it's about a teenage girl being shot in the head after knocking on someones door.

oh okay....you sure as hell fooled me.

Back to the facts so then?

Girl shot in the head (front of the head as per police, not back of the head as per family) in the middle of the night by accidental discharge (according to suspect).

Apparently the girl had a car accident several hours earlier but there is a period of several hours unaccounted for so far and the police have given no information what happened during those hours.

Those are the only FACTS any of us have as it stands

Now.....I'll bet you any money that for any story you can make up about how the poor girl was a victim I can make up a story that would warrant shooting the girl in the head in self defense.

Wanna have a go?

07-11-2013 11:22PM

MadsL wrote: »

A chance to show how above the 'sad' culture they are, whilst gobbling up GTAV, Breaking Bad and The Wire.

They have simply tuned out the cultural dissonace tbh.

pew! pew!

And there we have it, video games and TV!

CTC_Wallace · 07-11-2013 11:22PM

Does this mean i can now shot jehovah witness who start preaching to me ?

Seaneh · 07-11-2013 11:24PM

CTC_Wallace wrote: »

Does this mean i can now shot jehovah witness who start preaching to me ?

If only.

moc moc a moc · 07-11-2013 11:25PM

MadsL wrote: »

Your ignorance of American laws is quite staggering

Someone's ignorance of a foreign country's laws could hardly be described as 'staggering'. Just because you have some kind of bizarre hard-on for the US (to the extent of jumping to its defence when some random punter on the internet slags it off??

) doesn't mean anyone else on this forum should be expected to.

Pushtrak · 07-11-2013 11:27PM

The story in the OP, just reading this now, too...

http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897

Seaneh · 07-11-2013 11:27PM

wexie wrote: »

oh okay....you sure as hell fooled me.

Back to the facts so then?

Girl shot in the head (front of the head as per police, not back of the head as per family) in the middle of the night by accidental discharge (according to suspect).

Apparently the girl had a car accident several hours earlier but there is a period of several hours unaccounted for so far and the police have given no information what happened during those hours.

Those are the only FACTS any of us have as it stands

Now.....I'll bet you any money that for any story you can make up about how the poor girl was a victim I can make up a story that would warrant shooting the girl in the head in self defense.

Wanna have a go?

She crashed her car and two hours later knocked on his door.

For all you know she was unconscious for most of those two hours or wandering around concussed and disorientated looking for help, finally ending up on somebody's porch looking for help.

In what ****ed up hypothetical situation your brain is trying to create does an unarmed, probably injured, teenage girl pose a threat to a grown man holding a gun?

MadsL · 07-11-2013 11:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And before that?

Don't be too smug...
http://www.herald.ie/news/dublin-murder-rate-is-one-of-europes-highest-27897137.html

How fairly?

Over 100 incidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

Include them if you want, still much more in America.

More crime in the US? Depends where you live - Plano, Texas has fifth of the murder rate of Ireland.

So now you're going with America's higher gun murder rate being a mental health issue?

You don't think it is a factor? Really?

At the same rate?

What rate are we aiming at? Zero?

mad m · 07-11-2013 11:29PM

pharmaton wrote: »

Knew a couple in Vegas who had a caller knock on their door in hysterics one night having been chased down the street by a junked up bf, they let her in and whatever happened (their story goes) she went and took a carving knife from the kitchen drawer so the hubby shot her at point blank and killed her. She was 21 and had a young child. The cops arrived and he got a pat on the back, was offered counselling and that was the end of that.

Jesus........The Purge!

czx · 07-11-2013 11:29PM

Seaneh wrote: »

No **** Sherlock.

The US makes up less than 5% of the population of the planet, of course more people die outside the US from firearms than in the US. Large swaths of the planet are engulfed in war at any one time.

Thereby invalidating your previous point. It may make up 5% of the planet but it makes up more than 5% of threads

wexie · 07-11-2013 11:30PM

Seaneh wrote: »

She crashed her car and two hours later knocked on his door.

For all you know she was unconscious for most of those two hours or wandering around concussed and disorientated looking for help, finally ending up on somebody's porch looking for help.

In what ****ed up hypothetical situation your brain is trying to create does an unarmed, probably injured, teenage girl pose a threat to a grown man holding a gun?

Yes and for ALL YOU KNOW she was there with 4 other guys, who were armed to the teeth with snapping midgets and assault rifles and ran once the gun came out.

Like I already said, making stories up doesn't really work does it?

Don't let that stop you though.....

MadsL · 07-11-2013 11:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And there we have it, video games and TV!

Huh?

I'm not making the argument that Video games and TV cause shootings - read what I said, I'm talking about people slamming US gun culture whilst without a blink gobbling up fictional representations of it.

That's the cultural dissonance being tuned out.

Timmyctc · 07-11-2013 11:32PM

MadsL wrote: »

Don't be too smug...
http://www.herald.ie/news/dublin-murder-rate-is-one-of-europes-highest-27897137.html

The statistics cover the years 2005 and 2006 and survey 78 countries. Hardly the most thorough analysis of murder rates in a country.

Seaneh · 07-11-2013 11:33PM

MadsL wrote: »

Don't be too smug...
http://www.herald.ie/news/dublin-murder-rate-is-one-of-europes-highest-27897137.html

"The Republic had 1.59 murders per 100,000 people"

Compared to the US, 4.7 murders per 100,000, that's pretty ****ing good going.

07-11-2013 11:34PM

MadsL wrote: »

Don't be too smug...
http://www.herald.ie/news/dublin-murder-rate-is-one-of-europes-highest-27897137.html

No no, point was doorstep, or "innocent" killings, an attempt to differentiate from gang stuff.

Over 100 incidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

Quick glance goes back as far as 1896. With a larger population than America. Pretty sure America's still winning.

More crime in the US? Depends where you live - Plano, Texas has fifth of the murder rate of Ireland.

Well my street has an infinitely lower rate than Plano. Hur de hur.

You don't think it is a factor? Really?

And that's not a reason for some improvements in gun control?

What rate are we aiming at? Zero?

So anything above zero is all the same I'm guessing?

Seaneh · 07-11-2013 11:34PM

wexie wrote: »

Yes and for ALL YOU KNOW she was there with 4 other guys, who were armed to the teeth with snapping midgets and assault rifles and ran once the gun came out.

Like I already said, making stories up doesn't really work does it?

Don't let that stop you though.....

If she was with other people at least ONE of the reports would have stated as much.

Timmyctc · 07-11-2013 11:36PM

Seaneh wrote: »

"The Republic had 1.59 murders per 100,000 people"

Compared to the US, 4.7 murders per 100,000, that's pretty ****ing good going.

According to MadsL's article

The US had a rate of 5.62.

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Teen Seeking Help After Car Accident Rang Doorbell, Was Shot In The Head

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