The government's awful diet advice

OneArt · 26-10-2013 10:43AM

marizpan wrote: »

It gets worse...
Cheese is bad for children, since when?
Only eat low fat dairy ( low fat but high sugar)

I could never understand that they wanted to ban cheese adverts but not breakfast cereal adverts or fizzy drinks aimed at kids.
The worst food possible for sugar content. It baffles me!
What is wrong with porridge or eggs for kids breakfasts? And just plain milk or water as a drink. That is all my kids know and love a healthy diet as it is normal to them.
I could rant all day about this topic

The government wanted to ban CHEESE adverts?

Christ on a bike.

Hande hoche! · 26-10-2013 10:43AM

ford2600 wrote: »

Let the academic do what he wants, but the whole western world using it for the basis of their dietary advice is the unpleasant bit

You seem to be fairly well read on nutrition. Is the China Study a load of ****e?

harryr711 · 26-10-2013 10:44AM

I live on a diet of two eggs, two rasher, two sausage, two bacon, two puddings one black one white. I doesn't do me any harm.

Balmed Out · 26-10-2013 10:44AM

Sleevoo wrote: »

Sweden's government changed their advice and now recommend a high fat low carb diet.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/sweden-becomes-first-western-nation-to-reject-low-fat-diet-dogma-in-favor-of-low-carb-high-fat-nutrition/

Grayson · 26-10-2013 10:49AM

I have absolutely no idea about diet.

I was hospitalised last year for something that basically resulted from me not having enough fibre in my diet.

The doctor asked me what I'd eaten for dinner the night before.

Me: Doritos

Him: just doritos?

Me: yes. I was playing call of duty and I had a load of doritos in the house.

Him: What flavour

Me: Barbeque

Him: Nice!

Me: Doritos have fibre don't they?

Him: no.

Me: But they're crunchy?

I think a lot of people in ireland have my level of knowledge when it comes to diet.

Legs.Eleven · 26-10-2013 10:54AM

Grayson wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea about diet.

I was hospitalised last year for something that basically resulted from me not having enough fibre in my diet.

The doctor asked me what I'd eaten for dinner the night before.

Me: Doritos

Him: just doritos?

Me: yes. I was playing call of duty and I had a load of doritos in the house.

Him: What flavour

Me: Barbeque

Him: Nice!

Me: Doritos have fibre don't they?

Him: no.

Me: But they're crunchy?

I think a lot of people in ireland have my level of knowledge when it comes to diet.

Ah but come on!! You know in your heart of hearts eating Doritos for your dinner is bad for you!

Plenty of fruit and vegetables, fish, pulses, meat, carbs and dairy in moderation. The odd treat. Lots of variety. It's not rocket science, like!

ben.schlomo · 26-10-2013 10:57AM

Grayson wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea about diet.

I was hospitalised last year for something that basically resulted from me not having enough fibre in my diet.

The doctor asked me what I'd eaten for dinner the night before.

Me: Doritos

Him: just doritos?

Me: yes. I was playing call of duty and I had a load of doritos in the house.

Him: What flavour

Me: Barbeque

Him: Nice!

Me: Doritos have fibre don't they?

Him: no.

Me: But they're crunchy?

I think a lot of people in ireland have my level of knowledge when it comes to diet.

People who are that dim dont deserve any help.

Wibbs · 26-10-2013 10:58AM

kneemos wrote: »

I'll stick with the Governments advice thanks.

Good god. Really? Authority is not always a good bet to follow. Take our pet dogs as an example. Vets, apparently trained in nutrition will tell you with a straight face that glorified meat flavoured weetabix is the healthy choice for an apex predator. GTFO.

The whole "best diet" advice for people is a very complex one. For a start which people? Food that the average European can happily consume could give some other populations in the world the trots. The aforementioned milk a good example. To a bloke in Galway a pint might go down a treat, to a bloke in Calcutta his guts will fall out. One of the things that made us the kick arse apes we are is our ability to eat bloody everything and different populations adapted to local foods. *personal opinion* I'd avoid soya like the very plague if you're not of Asian ancestry. They've had it for a couple of thousand years, the rest of the world only a couple of generations, so I'd be suspish of it for a few reasons.

Then which food for what kind of lifestyle? Someone sitting in an office cubicle all day does not require anything but the barest hint of carbs as their energy expenditure is very low.

Lean meat, favouring fish and fowl rather than gorging on steaks, healthy fats and oils, varied veggies, berries and seasonal fruit, as few sugars and starches as possible, (a bowl of porridge should cover the day pretty much) avoid processed food*, fizzy drinks and the like and instead of beer, drink red wine(white is clearly the devils work). Most of all smaller, much smaller portions(buy smaller plates). Never mind what they eat, people in general simply eat too much. Follow that broad diet, get your arse off the chair, don't smoke, get fresh air and shag as much as possible and you'll have a hale and hearty life. Anything else is just tweaking.

Avoid fads, they're usually bullshít. The paleolithic diet looks OK, but it's a million miles away from what paleolithic people actually ate, but "experts" sell books and systems spouting that shíte and the uninformed buy into it.

*though there are exceptions like tomatoes, where processing increases their nutrient value

canadianwoman · 26-10-2013 10:58AM

Sleevoo wrote: »

Sweden's government changed their advice and now recommend a high fat low carb diet.

Best diet ever!!!

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

Grayson · 26-10-2013 10:58AM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Ah but come on!! You know in your heart of hearts eating Doritos for your dinner is bad for you!

Plenty of fruit and vegetables, fish, pulses, meat, carbs and dairy in moderation. The odd treat. Lots of variety. It's not rocket science, like!

But it's not like I'd eat it every day. I had a day off and decided to veg out for the day (Which ironically involved no vegetables).

I eat a few items of fruit every day but I hate vegetables. That made me probably the worst vegetarian ever. I force myself to ear them a few times a week, but I generally smother some broccoli and carrots with a sauce or gravy.

Like I said, I'm really bad with diet. I just can't seem to get my head around it at all.

Legs.Eleven · 26-10-2013 11:05AM

Grayson wrote: »

But it's not like I'd eat it every day. I had a day off and decided to veg out for the day (Which ironically involved no vegetables).

I eat a few items of fruit every day but I hate vegetables. That made me probably the worst vegetarian ever. I force myself to ear them a few times a week, but I generally smother some broccoli and carrots with a sauce or gravy.

Like I said, I'm really bad with diet. I just can't seem to get my head around it at all.

I know. Not having a go at you for having Doritos for your dinner (I had biscuits and tea for my dinner last night. A rare occurrence but ye gotta live a little sometimes!).

My point is, you KNOW it's bad for you to eat Doritos for dinner and you know what's good for you too but whether you choose to put it into action or not is your choice.

Do you like veggie soup blended?

Wibbs · 26-10-2013 11:07AM

ford2600 wrote: »

Google Ancel Keys seven country study.

Not pleasant reading what has led on from it

Well the drop he saw in heart disease in post war Europe was likely multifactorial, but a big aspect of it would be due to rationing the amount of food consumed went down. People ate less. That's the biggie. There was a researcher who lost weight and improved his blood health markers across the board by just eating McDonalds for a couple of months. However, he ate small portions. He wasn't buying buckets. Actually if you find yourself eating or drinking anything out of a bucket and you're not a prize pig on a farm, you're gonna be an unhealthy bastid.

canadianwoman · 26-10-2013 11:08AM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Do you like veggie soup blended?

I had that yesterday. It's called V8.

Pug160 · 26-10-2013 11:10AM

There are a lot of grey areas when it comes to nutrition.

kneemos · 26-10-2013 11:12AM

Balmed Out wrote: »

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/sweden-becomes-first-western-nation-to-reject-low-fat-diet-dogma-in-favor-of-low-carb-high-fat-nutrition/

Perhaps the Swedes are genetically programmed to metabolise fat.Historically they were fed on whale meat.Or was that the Icelanders.

The Backwards Man · 26-10-2013 11:23AM

Load a balls. I've been eating bread and spuds before I had teeth and I'll live until I die the same as the rest of ye.

There's no such thing as unhealthy food, it's unhealthy amounts that do the harm.

cnocbui · 26-10-2013 01:04PM

kneemos wrote: »

Where are you getting your info may I ask?

We are told that cholesterol causes heart disease. So you would think that we are being told this because 'scientists' have done research that strongly indicates that this is the case - right?

Actually, the research on cholesterol does not indicate it causes heart disease. That is the opinion of scientists who looked at all the results of all the research done on cholesterol.

Study fails to link saturated fat, heart disease

By Amy Norton

NEW YORK | Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:19pm GMT

(Reuters Health) - The saturated fat found mainly in meat and dairy products has a bad reputation, but a new analysis of published studies finds no clear link between people's intake of saturated fat and their risk of developing heart disease.

Research has shown that saturated fat can raise blood levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol, and elevated LDL is a risk factor for heart disease and stroke. Because of this, experts generally advise people to limit their intake of fatty meat, butter and full-fat dairy.

The American Heart Association (AHA) suggests that adults get no more than 7 percent of their daily calories from the fat; for someone who eats 2,000 calories a day, that translates into fewer than 16 grams of saturated fat per day.

But in the new analysis, which combined the results of 21 previous studies, researchers found no clear evidence that higher saturated fat intakes led to higher risks of heart disease or stroke.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/02/04/health-us-fat-heart-idUKTRE61341020100204

kneemos · 26-10-2013 01:40PM

cnocbui wrote: »

We are told that cholesterol causes heart disease. So you would think that we are being told this because 'scientists' have done research that strongly indicates that this is the case - right?

Actually, the research on cholesterol does not indicate it causes heart disease. That is the opinion of scientists who looked at all the results of all the research done on cholesterol.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/02/04/health-us-fat-heart-idUKTRE61341020100204

What makes this research more valid than Government research?
Is it because you want to believe it?

arse..biscuits · 26-10-2013 01:52PM

kneemos wrote: »

What makes this research more valid than Government research?
Is it because you want to believe it?

You remind me of a bloke I work with. He is always making comments about my food; those eggs will give you cholesterol, those nuts are high in fat, too much meat blah blah blah... while he eats all his low-fat bullsh1t. I'm am lean, muscular,fit, he is a fat mess and I'd guess not far from a heart attack.

Stop listening to the government's advice and do some research of your own. You'll be amazed.

NoClues · 26-10-2013 01:57PM

Everything is bad for ya these days, they say eat more fruit as part of your "5 a day" and then put out studies showing oranges contain too much sugar and acid.
Pick any food in the world and I'll find a study showing it's bad for you.

If we listened to all these studies the world would just starve to death

ford2600 · 26-10-2013 02:00PM

kneemos wrote: »

What makes this research more valid than Government research?
Is it because you want to believe it?

Cholesterol and how it is presented to patients is way over simplified. Being under 5 means nothing.
That number doesn't tell you very much and it certainly isn't a measure of cholesterol which is a very specific molecule.

It derived by using and algorithm which has ldl, hdl, triglycerides and vldl as variables.

Only two of these are measured in a standard blood test.

Hdl/triglycerides is a better indicator according to reading I've done.

Thomas Dayspring lipidologist has loads of videos on YouTube if you want an alternative view to mainstream. He's no quack.

Not a conspiracy theory guy but the power of the statin industry is enormous.

One small factory in Cork Harbour produced $13 billion worth of product per year for this market.

arse..biscuits · 26-10-2013 02:03PM

NoClues wrote: »

Everything is bad for ya these days, they say eat more fruit as part of your "5 a day" and then put out studies showing oranges contain too much sugar and acid.
Pick any food in the world and I'll find a study showing it's bad for you.

If we listened to all these studies the world would just starve to death

Eat the foods your grandparents did. All new "invented" sh*te should be avoided.

Eat all you can of these..
Butter
Heavy cream (40% fat)
Sour cream (34% fat)
Eggs
Bacon
Meat (minced, steaks, stew pieces, fillets, etc.)
Fish (preferably fatty fish like salmon or mackerel)
Cheese (preferably high-fat)
Turkish yoghurt (10% fat)
Cabbage (cabbage, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, kale, etc.)
Other vegetables that grow above ground
Frozen vegetables (broccoli, wok vegetables, etc.)
Avocados
Olives
Olive oil
Nuts

DoozerT6 · 26-10-2013 02:04PM

harryr711 wrote: »

I live on a diet of two eggs, two rasher, two sausage, two bacon, two puddings one black one white. I doesn't do me any harm.

Were they stacked like a tower on top of each other and wrapped up good and tight?

dxhound2005 · 26-10-2013 02:12PM

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Eat the foods your grandparents did. All new "invented" sh*te should be avoided.

Eat all you can of these..
Butter
Heavy cream (40% fat)
Sour cream (34% fat)
Eggs
Bacon
Meat (minced, steaks, stew pieces, fillets, etc.)
Fish (preferably fatty fish like salmon or mackerel)
Cheese (preferably high-fat)
Turkish yoghurt (10% fat)
Cabbage (cabbage, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, kale, etc.)
Other vegetables that grow above ground
Frozen vegetables (broccoli, wok vegetables, etc.)
Avocados
Olives
Olive oil
Nuts

My grandparents ate bread and spuds. I would think previous generations around the world ate rice and pasta. Can I not eat any of these? What's wrong with vegetable that grown below the ground? I'm partial to carrots, parsnips and turnips myself.

mikom · 26-10-2013 02:13PM

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Eat the foods your grandparents did. All new "invented" sh*te should be avoided.

Turkish yoghurt (10% fat)

Avocados

Olives

Olive oil

My grandfather was wiry old farmer from the west of Ireland.
Turkish yoghurt, Avocados, Olives, and Olive oil would have been something he only heard about in the Arabian nights stories.

dxhound2005 · 26-10-2013 02:14PM

ford2600 wrote: »

Cholesterol and how it is presented to patients is way over simplified. Being under 5 means nothing.
That number doesn't tell you very much and it certainly isn't a measure of cholesterol which is a very specific molecule.

It derived by using and algorithm which has ldl, hdl, triglycerides and vldl as variables.

Only two of these are measured in a standard blood test.

Hdl/triglycerides is a better indicator according to reading I've done.

Thomas Dayspring lipidologist has loads of videos on YouTube if you want an alternative view to mainstream. He's no quack.

Not a conspiracy theory guy but the power of the statin industry is enormous.

One small factory in Cork Harbour produced $13 billion worth of product per year for this market.

Did one small factory in Cork really produce $13 billion worth of statins in one year?

Herb Powell · 26-10-2013 02:15PM

Where did this "bread is the devil" shhite come from??

If there's anywhere you shouldn't look for diet advice, it's the fuccking internet. So much misinformation and nonsense scares. everywhere.

kneemos · 26-10-2013 02:16PM

ford2600 wrote: »

Cholesterol and how it is presented to patients is way over simplified. Being under 5 means nothing.
That number doesn't tell you very much and it certainly isn't a measure of cholesterol which is a very specific molecule.

It derived by using and algorithm which has ldl, hdl, triglycerides and vldl as variables.

Only two of these are measured in a standard blood test.

Hdl/triglycerides is a better indicator according to reading I've done.

Thomas Dayspring lipidologist has loads of videos on YouTube if you want an alternative view to mainstream. He's no quack.

Not a conspiracy theory guy but the power of the statin industry is enormous.

One small factory in Cork Harbour produced $13 billion worth of product per year for this market.

So GP's aren't aware of this and continue to prescribe statins because the salesman gives them free pens?

There's so much evidence and counter evidence all you can do is follow the official line,most of which is common sense anyway.

phasers · 26-10-2013 02:19PM

I saw an ad the other day saying that fruit juice is bad for you. Is that true? Even the sugar free ones?

dxhound2005 · 26-10-2013 02:21PM

Herb Powell wrote: »

Where did this "bread is the devil" shhite come from??

If there's anywhere you shouldn't look for diet advice, it's the fuccking internet. So much misinformation and nonsense scares. everywhere.

You should not go anywhere near the Nutrition and Diet forum if you value your sanity. This sort of Atkins Diet, you should only eat what cavemen ate nonsense has been pushed as real science over there for years. Blithely ignoring the fact that modern humans are living far longer than ever and generally in good health in affluent societies like Ireland.

The government's awful diet advice

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