The government's awful diet advice

Sleevoo

This is something that really irritates me. How can the government be so inept as to still be trotting out the same old outdated diet advice.

It has been known conclusively for years now that saturated fat, red meat and eggs are healthy foods which we all should be eating. It's been known for years conclusively that wheat is extremely bad for your health. Most grains in fact are bad but wheat is epecially bad. Its been known for years that real butter is good for you and vegetable oils are harmful.

Why the fup are we still being given sh1t diet advice?

kneemos

Sleevoo wrote: »

This is something that really irritates me. How can the government be so inept as to still be trotting out the same old outdated diet advice.

It has been known conclusively for years now that saturated fat, red meat and eggs are healthy foods which we all should be eating. It's been known for years conclusively that wheat is extremely bad for your health. Most grains in fact are bad but wheat is epecially bad. Its been known for years that real butter is good for you and vegetable oils are harmful.

Why the fup are we still being given sh1t diet advice?

Where are you getting your info may I ask?

cherryghost

Because they have fry-ups every morning for brekkie

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=72820697


Have to sponsor the farmers somehow
Govt definitely knows what's best for us... always



I do admit I appreciated the poster I saw "they're children, give them child sized portions"

Sleevoo

kneemos wrote: »

Where are you getting your info may I ask?

Countless studies

Toto Wolfcastle

bluewolf wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=72820697

That's exactly what came to mind when I read the thread title. I know Safefood said they'd take it all on board. Anyone know if anything changed?

marizpan

It gets worse...
Cheese is bad for children, since when?
Only eat low fat dairy ( low fat but high sugar)

I could never understand that they wanted to ban cheese adverts but not breakfast cereal adverts or fizzy drinks aimed at kids.
The worst food possible for sugar content. It baffles me!
What is wrong with porridge or eggs for kids breakfasts? And just plain milk or water as a drink. That is all my kids know and love a healthy diet as it is normal to them.
I could rant all day about this topic

Bobblehead Panda

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

That's exactly what came to mind when I read the thread title. I know Safefood said they'd take it all on board. Anyone know if anything changed?

I'll go have a look.
My workplace asked for anonymous requests from us on what we'd like to see during a healthy eating/lifestyle campaign. I begged them not to roll out the food pyramid sh!te. Guess what advice we're now getting from an "expert"...


No, they still have the food pyramid
http://www.safefood.eu/Healthy-Eating/Food,-Diet-and-Health.aspx

This means you should eat:

Plenty of bread, rice potatoes, pasta and other starchy foods

God in heaven

kneemos

Sleevoo wrote: »

Countless studies

I'm sure the Government also has countless studies.Or is it a worldwide conspiracy?

Hande hoche!

It's Michelle Obama's fault.

kneemos

kneemos wrote: »

I'm sure the Government also has countless studies.Or is it a worldwide conspiracy?

You should probably read the safefood thread I linked

This is the basic answer though:

The most widely known food pyramid was introduced by the United States Department of Agriculture in the year 1992,

timthumbni

So is milk supposed to be good or bad for you then. I can literally drink about a gallon a day but cut back since my mate advised me it was healthy,........... if you were a young developing calf.

kneemos

Sleevoo wrote: »

Countless studies

I'm sure the Government also has countless studies.Or is it a worldwide conspiracy?

Sleevoo

kneemos wrote: »

I'm sure the Government also has countless studies.Or is it a worldwide conspiracy?

Yes and usually they misinterpret the results woefully.

For example they see that people who eat red meat are more likely to suffer heart disease and then conclude that red meat has caused the heart disease. People with moustaches are more likely to suffer from heart disease, does that mean moustaches cause heart disease. Its shocking that such faulty logic still goes on.

When you hear diet "experts" refer to associations and links be very skeptical. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

Fr_Dougal

Dafuq?! Am I dreaming?!

What's healthy now?

Legs.Eleven

Eggs are the king of everything. I've just eaten two. I eat 12 a week and I bloody well won't stop!

kneemos

Sleevoo wrote: »

Yes and usually they misinterpret the results woefully.

For example they see that people who eat red meat are more likely to suffer heart disease and then conclude that red meat has caused the heart disease. People with moustaches are more likely to suffer from heart disease, does that mean moustaches cause heart disease. Its shocking that such faulty logic still goes on.

Doubt they're that stupid in all fairness.

Anyone

When the Minister of Health is clinically obese, it would suggest that healthy eating isn't a high priority.

Hande hoche!

Anyone wrote: »

When the Minister of Health is clinically obese, it would suggest that healthy eating isn't a high priority.

touche

Sleevoo

kneemos wrote: »

Doubt they're that stupid in all fairness.

I know its hard to believe.

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

So is milk supposed to be good or bad for you then. I can literally drink about a gallon a day but cut back since my mate advised me it was healthy,........... if you were a young developing calf.

Milk is calorie dense, if you are looking at ways to increase your calorie intake then milk is a good way of doing it. If you are looking to lose weight, it's good to bear in mind how much milk you are drinking.

kneemos

If the Government studies are wrong what's to say other studies aren't slanted in favour of vested interests?

I'll stick with the Governments advice thanks.

Sleevoo

kneemos wrote: »

If the Government studies are wrong what's to say other studies aren't slanted in favour of vested interests?

I'll stick with the Governments advice thanks.

Sweden's government changed their advice and now recommend a high fat low carb diet.

somuj

kneemos wrote: »

If the Government studies are wrong what's to say other studies aren't slanted in favour of vested interests?

I'll stick with the Governments advice thanks.

Maybe you should do some research on your own and not let an overweight parliament make up your mind for you.

ford2600

Sleevoo wrote: »

I know its hard to believe.

Google Thomas Dayspring, Gary Taubes,

Sweden h a s just ditched the low fat diet mantra..

I eat only fruit and veg for carbohydrate, eat a lot of fat butter coconut meat fish olive oil etc and have never felt better.

200km cycles without food.

Google is your friend.

robindch

Sleevoo wrote: »

When you hear diet "experts" refer to associations and links be very skeptical.

Well, I'm hearing you and I think I'll apply your advice to you.

Sleevoo

robindch wrote: »

Well, I'm hearing you and I think I'll take your advice.

thanks.

Look at the studies in detail yourself and make up your own mind.

kneemos

ford2600 wrote: »

Google Thomas Dayspring, Gary Taubes,

Sweden h a s just ditched the low fat diet mantra..

I eat only fruit and veg for carbohydrate, eat a lot of fat butter coconut meat fish olive oil etc and have never felt better.

200km cycles without food.

Google is your friend.

Thats exactly the advice I've heard on various radio and TV articles.The op must be behind the times.

ford2600

kneemos wrote: »

Thats exactly the advice I've heard on various radio and TV articles.The op must be behind the times.

Google Ancel Keys seven country study.

Not pleasant reading what has led on from it

kneemos

ford2600 wrote: »

Google Ancel Keys seven country study.

Not pleasant reading what has led on from it

How he picked the countries to support his hypothesis you mean?

ford2600

kneemos wrote: »

How he picked the countries to support his hypothesis you mean?

Let the academic do what he wants, but the whole western world using it for the basis of their dietary advice is the unpleasant bit

OneArt

marizpan wrote: »

It gets worse...
Cheese is bad for children, since when?
Only eat low fat dairy ( low fat but high sugar)

I could never understand that they wanted to ban cheese adverts but not breakfast cereal adverts or fizzy drinks aimed at kids.
The worst food possible for sugar content. It baffles me!
What is wrong with porridge or eggs for kids breakfasts? And just plain milk or water as a drink. That is all my kids know and love a healthy diet as it is normal to them.
I could rant all day about this topic

The government wanted to ban CHEESE adverts?

Christ on a bike.

Hande hoche!

ford2600 wrote: »

Let the academic do what he wants, but the whole western world using it for the basis of their dietary advice is the unpleasant bit

You seem to be fairly well read on nutrition. Is the China Study a load of ****e?

harryr711

I live on a diet of two eggs, two rasher, two sausage, two bacon, two puddings one black one white. I doesn't do me any harm.

Balmed Out

Sleevoo wrote: »

Sweden's government changed their advice and now recommend a high fat low carb diet.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/sweden-becomes-first-western-nation-to-reject-low-fat-diet-dogma-in-favor-of-low-carb-high-fat-nutrition/

Grayson

I have absolutely no idea about diet.

I was hospitalised last year for something that basically resulted from me not having enough fibre in my diet.

The doctor asked me what I'd eaten for dinner the night before.

Me: Doritos

Him: just doritos?

Me: yes. I was playing call of duty and I had a load of doritos in the house.

Him: What flavour

Me: Barbeque

Him: Nice!

Me: Doritos have fibre don't they?

Him: no.

Me: But they're crunchy?

I think a lot of people in ireland have my level of knowledge when it comes to diet.

Legs.Eleven

Grayson wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea about diet.

I was hospitalised last year for something that basically resulted from me not having enough fibre in my diet.

The doctor asked me what I'd eaten for dinner the night before.

Me: Doritos

Him: just doritos?

Me: yes. I was playing call of duty and I had a load of doritos in the house.

Him: What flavour

Me: Barbeque

Him: Nice!

Me: Doritos have fibre don't they?

Him: no.

Me: But they're crunchy?

I think a lot of people in ireland have my level of knowledge when it comes to diet.

Ah but come on!! You know in your heart of hearts eating Doritos for your dinner is bad for you!



Plenty of fruit and vegetables, fish, pulses, meat, carbs and dairy in moderation. The odd treat. Lots of variety. It's not rocket science, like!

ben.schlomo

Grayson wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea about diet.

I was hospitalised last year for something that basically resulted from me not having enough fibre in my diet.

The doctor asked me what I'd eaten for dinner the night before.

Me: Doritos

Him: just doritos?

Me: yes. I was playing call of duty and I had a load of doritos in the house.

Him: What flavour

Me: Barbeque

Him: Nice!

Me: Doritos have fibre don't they?

Him: no.

Me: But they're crunchy?

I think a lot of people in ireland have my level of knowledge when it comes to diet.

People who are that dim dont deserve any help.

Wibbs

kneemos wrote: »

I'll stick with the Governments advice thanks.

Good god. Really? Authority is not always a good bet to follow. Take our pet dogs as an example. Vets, apparently trained in nutrition will tell you with a straight face that glorified meat flavoured weetabix is the healthy choice for an apex predator. GTFO.

The whole "best diet" advice for people is a very complex one. For a start which people? Food that the average European can happily consume could give some other populations in the world the trots. The aforementioned milk a good example. To a bloke in Galway a pint might go down a treat, to a bloke in Calcutta his guts will fall out. One of the things that made us the kick arse apes we are is our ability to eat bloody everything and different populations adapted to local foods. *personal opinion* I'd avoid soya like the very plague if you're not of Asian ancestry. They've had it for a couple of thousand years, the rest of the world only a couple of generations, so I'd be suspish of it for a few reasons.

Then which food for what kind of lifestyle? Someone sitting in an office cubicle all day does not require anything but the barest hint of carbs as their energy expenditure is very low.

Lean meat, favouring fish and fowl rather than gorging on steaks, healthy fats and oils, varied veggies, berries and seasonal fruit, as few sugars and starches as possible, (a bowl of porridge should cover the day pretty much) avoid processed food*, fizzy drinks and the like and instead of beer, drink red wine(white is clearly the devils work). Most of all smaller, much smaller portions(buy smaller plates). Never mind what they eat, people in general simply eat too much. Follow that broad diet, get your arse off the chair, don't smoke, get fresh air and shag as much as possible and you'll have a hale and hearty life. Anything else is just tweaking.

Avoid fads, they're usually bullshít. The paleolithic diet looks OK, but it's a million miles away from what paleolithic people actually ate, but "experts" sell books and systems spouting that shíte and the uninformed buy into it.


*though there are exceptions like tomatoes, where processing increases their nutrient value

canadianwoman

Sleevoo wrote: »

Sweden's government changed their advice and now recommend a high fat low carb diet.

Best diet ever!!!

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

Grayson

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Ah but come on!! You know in your heart of hearts eating Doritos for your dinner is bad for you!



Plenty of fruit and vegetables, fish, pulses, meat, carbs and dairy in moderation. The odd treat. Lots of variety. It's not rocket science, like!

But it's not like I'd eat it every day. I had a day off and decided to veg out for the day (Which ironically involved no vegetables).

I eat a few items of fruit every day but I hate vegetables. That made me probably the worst vegetarian ever. I force myself to ear them a few times a week, but I generally smother some broccoli and carrots with a sauce or gravy.

Like I said, I'm really bad with diet. I just can't seem to get my head around it at all.

Legs.Eleven

Grayson wrote: »

But it's not like I'd eat it every day. I had a day off and decided to veg out for the day (Which ironically involved no vegetables).

I eat a few items of fruit every day but I hate vegetables. That made me probably the worst vegetarian ever. I force myself to ear them a few times a week, but I generally smother some broccoli and carrots with a sauce or gravy.

Like I said, I'm really bad with diet. I just can't seem to get my head around it at all.

I know. Not having a go at you for having Doritos for your dinner (I had biscuits and tea for my dinner last night. A rare occurrence but ye gotta live a little sometimes!).

My point is, you KNOW it's bad for you to eat Doritos for dinner and you know what's good for you too but whether you choose to put it into action or not is your choice.



Do you like veggie soup blended?

Wibbs

ford2600 wrote: »

Google Ancel Keys seven country study.

Not pleasant reading what has led on from it

Well the drop he saw in heart disease in post war Europe was likely multifactorial, but a big aspect of it would be due to rationing the amount of food consumed went down. People ate less. That's the biggie. There was a researcher who lost weight and improved his blood health markers across the board by just eating McDonalds for a couple of months. However, he ate small portions. He wasn't buying buckets. Actually if you find yourself eating or drinking anything out of a bucket and you're not a prize pig on a farm, you're gonna be an unhealthy bastid.

canadianwoman

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Do you like veggie soup blended?

I had that yesterday. It's called V8.

Pug160

There are a lot of grey areas when it comes to nutrition.

kneemos

Balmed Out wrote: »

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/sweden-becomes-first-western-nation-to-reject-low-fat-diet-dogma-in-favor-of-low-carb-high-fat-nutrition/

Perhaps the Swedes are genetically programmed to metabolise fat.Historically they were fed on whale meat.Or was that the Icelanders.

The Backwards Man

Load a balls. I've been eating bread and spuds before I had teeth and I'll live until I die the same as the rest of ye.

There's no such thing as unhealthy food, it's unhealthy amounts that do the harm.

cnocbui

kneemos wrote: »

Where are you getting your info may I ask?

We are told that cholesterol causes heart disease. So you would think that we are being told this because 'scientists' have done research that strongly indicates that this is the case - right?

Actually, the research on cholesterol does not indicate it causes heart disease. That is the opinion of scientists who looked at all the results of all the research done on cholesterol.

Study fails to link saturated fat, heart disease

By Amy Norton

NEW YORK | Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:19pm GMT

(Reuters Health) - The saturated fat found mainly in meat and dairy products has a bad reputation, but a new analysis of published studies finds no clear link between people's intake of saturated fat and their risk of developing heart disease.

Research has shown that saturated fat can raise blood levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol, and elevated LDL is a risk factor for heart disease and stroke. Because of this, experts generally advise people to limit their intake of fatty meat, butter and full-fat dairy.

The American Heart Association (AHA) suggests that adults get no more than 7 percent of their daily calories from the fat; for someone who eats 2,000 calories a day, that translates into fewer than 16 grams of saturated fat per day.

But in the new analysis, which combined the results of 21 previous studies, researchers found no clear evidence that higher saturated fat intakes led to higher risks of heart disease or stroke.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/02/04/health-us-fat-heart-idUKTRE61341020100204

kneemos

cnocbui wrote: »

We are told that cholesterol causes heart disease. So you would think that we are being told this because 'scientists' have done research that strongly indicates that this is the case - right?

Actually, the research on cholesterol does not indicate it causes heart disease. That is the opinion of scientists who looked at all the results of all the research done on cholesterol.



http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/02/04/health-us-fat-heart-idUKTRE61341020100204

What makes this research more valid than Government research?
Is it because you want to believe it?

arse..biscuits

kneemos wrote: »

What makes this research more valid than Government research?
Is it because you want to believe it?

You remind me of a bloke I work with. He is always making comments about my food; those eggs will give you cholesterol, those nuts are high in fat, too much meat blah blah blah... while he eats all his low-fat bullsh1t. I'm am lean, muscular,fit, he is a fat mess and I'd guess not far from a heart attack.

Stop listening to the government's advice and do some research of your own. You'll be amazed.

NoClues

Everything is bad for ya these days, they say eat more fruit as part of your "5 a day" and then put out studies showing oranges contain too much sugar and acid.
Pick any food in the world and I'll find a study showing it's bad for you.

If we listened to all these studies the world would just starve to death