DART capacity reconfiguration

Losty Dublin · 14-10-2013 05:28PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I think you will find pre flight checks are taken at departure gates especially by pilots. Aircraft only visit the hanger certain times in there checks schedule unless there is a problem that requires parts to be fitted which can't be carried out at the gate.

Not while the plane is being repaired or signed out, they don't

Hungerford · 14-10-2013 05:39PM

Rootsblower wrote: »

If a driver cant even trust the integrity of the holy grail of train safety, the blue interlock light , then we as a travelling public are in some bother.

Erm... but he can just renew his trust by walking down his train and checking the last cab. This sounds more like a SIPTU stunt to get more money than anything else.

Rootsblower · 14-10-2013 05:54PM

Hungerford wrote: »

Erm... but he can just renew his trust by walking down his train and checking the last cab. This sounds more like a SIPTU stunt to get more money than anything else.

So walk down the train at every stop?

n97 mini · 14-10-2013 06:01PM

Rootsblower wrote: »

So walk down the train at every stop?

Would SIPTU prefer the maintenance people walk down at every stop?

From what I understand their complaint is not about safety, but about who does that particular task.

Hungerford · 14-10-2013 06:33PM

Rootsblower wrote: »

So walk down the train at every stop?

It's a once-off check prior to the train entering service.

Jamie2k9 · 14-10-2013 07:39PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Not while the plane is being repaired or signed out, they don't

In many cases repairs are carried out while pilots are doing checks and pax boarding. It just depends on the nature of the problem. Most tech problems are so minor they are done within minutes. Anyway plane and train are very different.

So walk down the train at every stop?

There is CCTV view at the end of platforms so drivers could easily see if doors are open and this isn't a long term thing for them do. If the train software is being updated it will take some time. There was no need for the mess this morning. You would expect this carry on from the NBRU not other unions.

Captain Chaos · 15-10-2013 01:08AM

What I don't understand is that go to Connolly station at any time of any day and within an hour or so you will see drivers of the 22k and 29s sets splitting and coupling sets no problem at all, it's standard practice, what makes DART drivers above Commuter and Intercity drivers. 22k drivers actually have to carry out more checks like the coupler door and extension and retraction of the coupler itself.

This is like the mess 10 years ago when DART drivers wanted more money when the DART sets went from 6 to 8 cars. Should they all take a pay cut now as they have to drive 2 and 4 car sets, I think not. Time for DART drivers to have Luas style conditions, there are plenty of people out there that would be more than happy to have their job for their money.

end of the road · 15-10-2013 01:30AM

QUOTE=Captain Chaos;87019183]Time for DART drivers to have Luas style conditions[/QUOTE]
not at all, if such conditions came in and i was a driver i'd take redundantsy before i'd take such conditions

Captain Chaos wrote: »

there are plenty of people out there that would be more than happy to have their job for their money.

no, they would claim they would do it for less, however i'd believe that to be the case for a foreign national but not for an irish person from my experience, many wouldn't last 1 minute before they would start moaning how "its to hard" the "their are others who would be glad of the job" doesn't work, it says that people should just take whatever and not stand up for themselves, which frankly will eventually allow a race to the bottom.

Captain Chaos · 15-10-2013 01:35AM

But the other point I made still stands, what makes DART drivers so special with regards to splitting and joining sets over 22 or 29 drivers. It's not like a 201 coupling up to an Enterprise set, that is maintenance as it's not a simple process and requires some hands on work to do.

If I acted like DART drivers do in the few jobs I've had and do have right now, public and private sector I'd be sacked on the spot and replaced. The amount of waste and "thats not my job" in the public sector jobs was unreal and the amount slackers get away with and can't be sacked for it. I'm in the private sector now and it's far better, the slackers are sacked and the people who want to work are rewarded and are better to work with as a result as you don't have to carry slackers around with you all day.

end of the road · 15-10-2013 03:01AM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

But the other point I made still stands, what makes DART drivers so special with regards to splitting and joining sets over 22 or 29 drivers. It's not like a 201 coupling up to an Enterprise set, that is maintenance as it's not a simple process and requires some hands on work to do.

by the sounds of it their working on what they have been told by the unions, that this coupling isn't part of their job description, nothing to do with thinking their special over other drivers, being honest it would be better if it was a maintenance job but by the sounds of it this job was put on the drivers without any discussion, commuter and ICR drivers are fine with it while dart drivers are being cautious and going on the advice of their union, i'm sure it will be sorted quickly and the dart drivers will take over doing the job unless IE have maintenance do it instead

dregin · 15-10-2013 01:24PM

8 carriage DART just arrived at Connolly heading to Malahide... I assume this doesn't count as peak time?!

Jamie2k9 · 15-10-2013 01:28PM

dregin wrote: »

8 carriage DART just arrived at Connolly heading to Malahide... I assume this doesn't count as peak time?!

always extra capacity on Wednesday afternoon as many schools have half days.

davidlacey · 15-10-2013 01:34PM

Ridiculous carry on im currently on an 8 carriage dart heading to bray, I realise schools have half days but the dart is not exactly packed. How many times a week do the darts actually form a 2 or 4 carriage set because if they extend the sets for every little reason and no 2 carriage sets on a weekend, how much money are IE actually going to save from this failed project of theirs? Next there will be 8 car sets for the tiddley winks championships....

Losty Dublin · 15-10-2013 03:19PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

always extra capacity on Wednesday afternoon as many schools have half days.

Today's actually Tuesday, Jamie :pac:

There is an international at the Aviva this evening so extra capacity will be needed before and after the game.

dregin · 15-10-2013 05:20PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Today's actually Tuesday, Jamie :pac:

There is an international at the Aviva this evening so extra capacity will be needed before and after the game.

You've seen the Irish football team play lately, right?

Jamie2k9 · 15-10-2013 05:22PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Today's actually Tuesday, Jamie :pac:

There is an international at the Aviva this evening so extra capacity will be needed before and after the game.

Indeed it is, the worst day of the week!

Losty Dublin · 15-10-2013 09:20PM

dregin wrote: »

You've seen the Irish football team play lately, right?

Nope and I don't intend to start tonight :pac:

Hilly Bill · 15-10-2013 10:45PM

lxflyer wrote: »

Most of my knowledge frankly comes from sitting down and looking at timetables off my own bat, analysing how the timetables appear to be built up, and trying to figure out how they are integrated (in other words what bus or train does which service). The recent publication of full timetables on the Transport for Ireland website is a goldmine of information for someone such as myself. It is something that I really enjoy doing.

An awful lot else comes from observation - I don't drive so I use public transport every day to go everywhere - you can build up a significant amount of information from doing that.

I also get updates for any media articles on public transport every day - that keeps me abreast of what is in the public arena.

I would also have a large amount of anecdotal information from just simply talking to staff when I'm out and about - while you will get a certain amount of "dud information" that way it's often surprising what you can learn. That, for example, together with my own observations, was how I knew that there were no 2-car DARTs out at the weekend. I rarely use anything that I learn anecdotally without confirming it from my own observations - I make a point of going out and about to see how things operate.

As a customer I have made, and I continue to make, regular constructive submissions to all of the transport companies based on my experiences - and yes of course that means that as a result I also manage to learn how things work. I am a firm believer in being pro-active and thankfully over the years this has meant that I have managed to get many small things changed, be it for example from the installation of bus stops at particular locations, to minor changes in timetables, correction of errors on the websites.

The point that I am trying to get across is that over 25 years I have managed, through my own analytical work in my spare time, from my own daily experiences, and from anecdotal information that I have gained, to build up what I would consider to be an exceptionally good understanding of how things work, or indeed how they don't. I actively do constructively engage with all of the companies if I see something that needs addressing. But, and it is a huge but, does not make me a "vehicle" for their viewpoints.

I'm a passionate advocate of public transport and it's development, and it's something I firmly believe in. As someone with a financial background, I also understand the cost impact of doing/not doing things. As someone who has worked in companies where significant cost reduction programmes had to be implemented, I understand the difficulties that the companies face, that many people don't even consider. I am also I believe pragmatic, in that I understand that getting changes through is something that generally takes time and considerable patience!

All of this means I can give something of an educated view of how our public transport services work or not.

It does NOT mean that I am an employee or am behoven to any organisation. Frankly I think that those sort of suggestions insult my intelligence.

You dont need to justify yourself to anyone on here Lxflyer. Your posts are your own and it matters not as to who you may or not work for or how you get your info.

Grandeeod · 16-10-2013 12:14AM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

You dont need to justify yourself to anyone on here Lxflyer. Your posts are your own and it matters not as to who you may or not work for or how you get your info.

Bit sensitive Hilly Bill. It still stands that this "dispute" was absolutely rediculous and a gross example of how wrong the culture is within CIE. Discuss that with a straight face instead of contributing very weak contributions and please do it without reporting posts. The usual motley crew of pro IE posters were laid very low when this story broke. I wonder was it a case of letting the likes of me and others shoot our load in order for you guys to roll in and get us banned for stuff that doesn't suit the agenda. Over to you. I'd love to listen to your take on what happened.

Hilly Bill · 16-10-2013 12:21AM

Grandeeod wrote: »

Bit sensitive Hilly Bill. It still stands that this "dispute" was absolutely rediculous and a gross example of how wrong the culture is within CIE. Discuss that with a straight face instead of contributing very weak contributions and please do it without reporting posts. The usual motley crew of pro IE posters were laid very low when this story broke. I wonder was it a case of letting the likes of me and others shoot our load in order for you guys to roll in and get us banned for stuff that doesn't suit the agenda. Over to you. I'd love to listen to your take on what happened.

What are you on about?

Cookie_Monster · 16-10-2013 03:22AM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

You dont need to justify yourself to anyone on here Lxflyer. Your posts are your own and it matters not as to who you may or not work for or how you get your info.

as long as it is correct (and I'm not saying it isn't

)

Grandeeod · 18-10-2013 09:03PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

What are you on about?

Hilly Bill

My apologies for ignoring you, I had really forgotten about this post despite it being very important to me when I posted it. I'll break it down for you bit by bit.

Bit sensitive Hilly Bill.

I was merely expressing an opinion that your defence of another poster was an example of you being sensitive because you had a soft spot for said poster. IMO.

It still stands that this "dispute" was absolutely rediculous and a gross example of how wrong the culture is within CIE. Discuss that with a straight face instead of contributing very weak contributions and please do it without reporting posts.

I thought this was rather obvious and expected you to give your opinion on it and without reporting my post. (you do know that this kind of thing of reporting posts is rampant around here, when one feels a poster is being singled out. Not that I'm singling you out or accusing you of reporting my post.)

The usual motley crew of pro IE posters were laid very low when this story broke. I wonder was it a case of letting the likes of me and others shoot our load in order for you guys to roll in and get us banned for stuff that doesn't suit the agenda.

Without doubt there is a very valid history of anti IE posters getting reported and subsequently banned or infracted on this forum. My point here was in relation to being surprised that the usual (and that is not unfair) pro IE posters did not row in on this topic when DART drivers decided to act the goat. Subsequently I felt that if IE critics did get stuck in, there would be a frenzy of the usual reported posts and subsequent bans and infractions.

Over to you. I'd love to listen to your take on what happened.

I merely wanted to hear what you thought of the temporary dispute.

Now if I may take you up on one particular point that I didn't previously comment on and its directly related to your defence of lxflyer. I have absolutely no problem with lxflyer and this is directed at your comment.

You dont need to justify yourself to anyone on here Lxflyer. Your posts are your own and it matters not as to who you may or not work for or how you get your info.

You did not apply that logic or opinion when you publically challenged me to PM you in relation to my opinion on the demise of Fastrack. You actively challenged what I said and most certainly did not accept that my posts were "my own" or how "I got my info". I love consistency. You clearly don't do consistency in your posts.

Hilly Bill · 18-10-2013 10:03PM

Why have you taken a post not directed at you personal? I find it a bit strange and over the top.

monument · 19-10-2013 12:13AM

Mod warning:

Read the charter -- don't post again without doing so.

Cut out the personal attacks. Focus on points and not other posters / personalities.

Discussion carried out via PM is your business and is not up for discussion here.

Note: I'm leaving it open for another mod or myself to take action on any OTT post -- I'm not reading the thread right now.

hatrickpatrick · 24-10-2013 11:16AM

All fares going up, Irish rail actually asked for more than the NTA would allow. Every single dart I've taken in the last few weeks has been delayed by commuter trains passing through (why the hell don't they factor this in to the timetable instea of having a "delayed" dart every single day because the commuter train has to come through?!) and the capacity situation is beyond a joke, particularly when the only things to hold on to are those ridiculous yellow poles.

Surely it's not unreasonable to say that if we have to pay more, we should be getting a half decent service?

Also hav electricity prices gone up? Because Irish rail's "increased fuel costs" excuse is bollocks for the dart which runs on electricity...

monument · 25-10-2013 08:07PM

bikeman1 wrote: »

Also re the luas, a 2 car DART has roughly the same capacity as a luas tram.

But Luas has higher frequency.

end of the road · 25-10-2013 08:15PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

All fares going up, Irish rail actually asked for more than the NTA would allow. Every single dart I've taken in the last few weeks has been delayed by commuter trains passing through (why the hell don't they factor this in to the timetable instea of having a "delayed" dart every single day because the commuter train has to come through?!) and the capacity situation is beyond a joke, particularly when the only things to hold on to are those ridiculous yellow poles.

Surely it's not unreasonable to say that if we have to pay more, we should be getting a half decent service?

Also hav electricity prices gone up? Because Irish rail's "increased fuel costs" excuse is bollocks for the dart which runs on electricity...

or they could just cut their losses and give the commuter trains which stop at less stops and the intercity services which hardly stop at all in the dart area priority over the dart, timetabled properly and it shouldn't effect the dart at all, infact it might cancel out the delays as less or non stopping services could be speeded up, its not 1984 anymore, their are more commuter and intercity services then back then

hatrickpatrick · 25-10-2013 08:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

or they could just cut their losses and give the commuter trains which stop at less stops and the intercity services which hardly stop at all in the dart area priority over the dart, timetabled properly and it shouldn't effect the dart at all, infact it might cancel out the delays as less or non stopping services could be speeded up, its not 1984 anymore, their are more commuter and intercity services then back then

Sure, any of these suggestions could work, or even just factoring it into the timetable, but literally every single 9:56 DART I've tried to take into town the last two weeks has been delayed by approx 10 minutes because of commuter trains. Think they'd bother updating the timetable? Not a chance. :mad:

Captain Chaos · 25-10-2013 11:05PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sure, any of these suggestions could work, or even just factoring it into the timetable, but literally every single 9:56 DART I've tried to take into town the last two weeks has been delayed by approx 10 minutes because of commuter trains. Think they'd bother updating the timetable? Not a chance. :mad:

The thing is there is about 20 mins slack in the DART timetabe going form end to end of the line. It's easy enough for drivers to make up time so that they are not that late at all.

Ever see the difference in how a DART is driven between Connolly and HowthJunction if there is an Enterprise right behind and the DART has to clear the line asap. It's night and day in how quick they can cover those 6 miles. Usually takes 20 mins but they can do it in 15 mins calling at all stations and actually using the DARTs full acceleration and braking performance.

Hilly Bill · 01-11-2013 09:41PM

I witnessed the strangest thing today at around half 3 in Connolly. A 4 carriage Dart for Malahide was waiting to take over from a 2 carriage Dart that arrived on platform 7. I was in the first carriage and all the people that swapped trains all got on the first 2 carriages and left the last 2 empty ,bar 1 or 2 who had a bit of cop on. I then overheard a fella and his partner moaning about having to move from one over crowded train onto another over crowded train and asking what are Irish Rail playing at and its not right.
I left them to it and moved to the near empty last carriage where i sat down in peace .;)

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